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  1. 3 minutes ago, KK said:

    I would make the same argument in that case as well. Of the bunch you listed, only The Hours makes a good album experience for me. I have little patience for The Illusionist, and Mishima runs too long as an album. Notes on a Scandal is about as close to perfect as Glass got with his film score albums, alongside Kundun and The Hours.

     

    I'm listening to Scandal now and certain passages remind me of The Illusionist. I think the latter also has its fair share of background music.

     

    I'd say the Scandal album has too little variation for its 50 min. running time. When it comes to Mishima, the variation between tracks makes it an interesting listening experience to the end. I'd rank the Runaway Horses track as one of Glass' best works.

     

    In my opinion, the Kundun score has waaay too little variation and details in it, which makes it a boring listening experience. It's like a nice rough draft where the composer didn't have the time to do the necessary refinement. I sold my copy on eBay :)

  2. 27 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

    Yeah and it seems to get worse and worse as you progress through the score. The deterioration I refer to that occurs during disc 2 includes the horrendous sound.

     

    The bad '97 sound quality could mean the tapes were already beginning to deteriorate, and who knows how their condition are now, 20 years laser... maybe they're damaged beyond repair. That would probably imply that a future new release would have to work with the digitizing done for the '97 release.

    18 minutes ago, KK said:

     

    Notes on a Scandal is a better film score than all of those. I'd rank the ones you listed as follows:

     

    1) Notes on a Scandal

    2) The Hours

    3) The Illusionist

    4) Mishima --> this worked best in its concert format anyway (String Quartet No. 3)

     

    Granted, I will concede that Notes on a Scandal is the least notorious of the bunch.

     

    In your opinion it's a better film score, you mean.

     

    I'd like to clarify that I'm referring to the album presentations, not how the scores are experienced in the films.

     

    In the album presentation, Notes on a Scandal feels to me more like background music than the other albums. But nice and very atmospheric background music.

  3. 2 minutes ago, KK said:

    Notes on a Scandal by Philip Glass

     

    The quintessential Glass score, and my favourite. It's the composer's finest and most effective attempt at film music. It may be familiar to most Glass fans, as most of his works are, but rarely has he exercised the full dramatic potential of his usual constructs with the command that he does here. There are themes, there are motifs and all of them cleverly manipulated and orchestrated with great musical range. The biting personality of the work in itself is vivacious and it makes a great album to boot. 

     

     

    The Justice League by Danny Elfman

     

    Good grief. That was a slog to sit through. Too much noise, with the decent ideas being too few and far between. Say what you will about MoS and BvS (and I'm no big fan of either of those scores), but to their credit, they had a distinct musical personality of their own. This is just serviceable orchestral noise. Though I can't say I'm really surprised by it.

     

    I can think of at least three soundtracks by Glass which I find more entertaining than Notes on a Scandal: The Hours, The Illusionist, and Mishima.

  4. 18 hours ago, Scintillating_CA said:

    I'm excited for this one (film and score)! I can't hazard a guess as to the kind of sound JW will bring, but I sure admire how they used Helvetica throughout the trailer. Nicely done. : )

     

    They should have used Comic Sans to make it a bit funnier :D

  5. 14 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

     

     

    Sure, it's reverby, because it was recorded in a church - the same church in fact where Karajan did many of his Deutsche Grammophon Berlin recordings (which are also a bit on the reverby side, and well off for it, too, although perhaps the reverb isn't quite as strong there).

     

    The thing is, I've never been too fond of Gerhardt's Blood overture - perhaps the one instance where I prefer a different recording over Gerhardt. His Ship in the Night is sublime though (and also the only recording of that piece I'm aware of).

     

    Let's just agree that a substantial re-recording is needed. :)

     

    I have to say that of the four suites Previn recorded, Captain Blood is the least disappointingly executed - the overture starts briskly, but then slows down a bit too much.

     

    Btw, Gerhardt's Ship in the Night is the same as Previn's Meeting on the Ocean.

  6. 26 minutes ago, Baby Jane Hudson said:

     

    They just don't understand album arrangements.

     

    Hear, hear! The priority of the composer is of course to present his/her music in the best possible manner, to give the best listening experience outside the movie. And this often implies not having all the music in chronological order.

     

    On 11/2/2017 at 6:40 PM, Marian Schedenig said:

     

    What!? It's perhaps my favourite Golden Age recording next to the Gerhardts. Great performances, great sound. The extensive Scaramouche suite is better than the original score recording and has nearly everything one would want.

     

    I've given Kaufman's recording of Captain Blood a new try, and I still don't like it. Just listen to the start of the overture. To me the main problem is too much reverb and trumpets which are out of focus (partially because of the reverb). Here's a comparison with Gerhardt's and Korngold's original recording:

     

     

  7. On 11/2/2017 at 4:35 PM, Romão said:

    Has Tribute stopped doing re-recordings? Captain Blood would've been right up their alley

     

    On 11/2/2017 at 4:36 PM, Disco Stu said:

     

    I think so sadly.  Their last one was 5 years ago I think. :(  I own and adore every release they did.

     

    I guess they couldn't continue with the Moscow Symphony Orchestra after the sanctions against Russia. But there's several good Eastern European orchestras which could be considered as a replacement.

  8. 7 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said:

     

    What!? It's perhaps my favourite Golden Age recording next to the Gerhardts. Great performances, great sound. The extensive Scaramouche suite is better than the original score recording and has nearly everything one would want.

     

    I've tried several times to like it, but at least his Captain Blood is not my cup of tea. :) Maybe it's because I automatically compare it to the original recording, which is just so much more refined, even with the lousy sound.

  9. 19 hours ago, Disco Stu said:


    Yeah does the guy who runs Tadlow just not like Korngold or something?  Or maybe it's a licensing issue.

     

    Stromberg at least re-recorded Prince and the Pauper (and Robin Hood of course) but I'd love somebody to give Captain Blood that treatment, it's my personal favorite Korngold.

     

    And of course he did The Sea Hawk, but there's a few aspects of this re-recording which really annoys me. First, some of the cues are under-rehearsed, for example that the conducting is too fast for the orchestra and/or choir to follow. This is the case in the Shores of Dover choir cue, which also has the most annoying fault: Russian accent. That's just plain wrong in a score to an American movie of a British adventure tale. This is really bad judgement by Stromberg. He should have re-recorded the choir part with an American or British choir when he got home from the Moscow sessions and realized how bad it sounds. Even an amateur choir would be better than what we got.

     

    16 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said:

     

    Also, the (outstanding) Kaufman suite is already a John Morgan reconstruction.

     

    I really dislike the Kaufman recording - the whole product reeks of cheapness. I'll take Previn's record over his any day.

     

    On 11/2/2017 at 9:27 AM, Jurassic Shark said:

     

    In my opinion, the Gerhardt, Newman, Stromberg, and Gamba recordings of Korngold's film music are much preferable over the Previn ones, as Previn is waaay too slow... Of course, the best recordings are the originals conducted by the man himself. When will we get a proper release of the original recordings of The Sea Hawk, Captain Blood, The Adventures of Robin Hood, and Elizabeth & Essex? The old Tsunami releases applied too much noise reduction.

     

    I forgot to mention Kojian's records of The Sea Hawk and Robin Hood. In my opinion, he's up there with Gerhardt. The same applies to his Star Wars record. I'll rank Kojian's Sea Hawk over Stromberg's, and I don't mind that Kojian's far from complete. It contains enough of the music for me.

  10. 17 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

    Well, the Stromberg recordings were reconstructions of the original scores.  I thought all the Korngold rerecordings were reconstructions.

     

    Yes they are, at least to some degree. My point is that the older the sound recording, the more difficult to transcribe.

     

    19 hours ago, publicist said:

    The Previn sounds shitty.

     

    It would be interesting to increase the speed of Previn's Korngold recordings by 30% or so. I'm convinced they would sound a lot better!

     

    19 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said:

    Nah, Gerhardt's are the best, even when you include the original recordings. But of course he only did suites, so Gerhardt isn't enough to cover everything. Official releases of the originals are of course very much needed. And HD releases of the films, too.

     

    I you haven't already, I recommend to give Lionel Newman's early 60s re-recordings a listen. They've got the same spirit as Gerhardt's.

  11. 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:


    Yeah does the guy who runs Tadlow just not like Korngold or something?  Or maybe it's a licensing issue.

     

    Stromberg at least re-recorded Prince and the Pauper (and Robin Hood of course) but I'd love somebody to give Captain Blood that treatment, it's my personal favorite Korngold.

     

    I agree that Captain Blood really needs a re-recording, and it's strange that it hasn't been done yet when The Sea Hawk and Robin Hood has gotten so good treatment. I see two possible reasons:

     

    1) The music isn't entirely Korngold's. Especially, he borrowed from Liszt (about 10% according to Wikipedia), but it fits very well into the score. Because of this Korngold only took credit for "musical arrangement".

    2) If the physical score is lost, this is probably the most difficult of Korngold's great scores to transcribe by ear - just listen to the Tsunami release and the excerpts on Korngold - The Warner Bros. Years.

  12. On 4/11/2017 at 2:09 PM, Disco Stu said:

    Previn Conducts Korngold

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    Specifically the Captain Blood suite which is just hitting the spot for me this morning.  Korngold + coffee will put a spring in your step!

     

    In my opinion, the Gerhardt, Newman, Stromberg, and Gamba recordings of Korngold's film music are much preferable over the Previn ones, as Previn is waaay too slow... Of course, the best recordings are the originals conducted by the man himself. When will we get a proper release of the original recordings of The Sea Hawk, Captain Blood, The Adventures of Robin Hood, and Elizabeth & Essex? The old Tsunami releases applied too much noise reduction.

  13. Alternatively (from Wikipedia):

     

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    This is a description which fits rather well. :)

  14. I can understand both points of view. As an amateur composer (with emphasis on amateur), I totally understand the composer's need to edit the soundtrack into a coherent whole, which doesn't include every note written for the movie. However, a problem arises when the listener doesn't agree about the selection. Then it's good to have the complete score.

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