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  1. Aw man. I've rewatched the Friday video several times and figured out what happened. Since there's a big slow-down in the bar before the credits, Williams subdivides the last beat of the measure (beat 4) as two eighth-notes. For reference, a normal conducting pattern in a 4-beat measure is down (1), in (2), out (3), up (4). However, since Williams wants to split beat 4 into two eighth notes, he actually beats beat 4 down (and kind of low), and then for the upbeat of beat 4 (so, the eighth-note before the credits, aka the second half of beat 4), he beats up. Everyone else seems to catch what Williams is doing. But if the trumpet player for some reason isn't able to see Williams kind of gently beating beat 4 down low, then when he sees Williams beat upwards he thinks "Oh, that's beat 4" and plays his pickup note after that. ...When actually, Williams' upstroke is the "and" of beat 4, the second half of the beat. That's why the trumpet player's note is so short; he thinks Williams' upstroke is the entire beat 4 (rather than the latter half of beat 4 which it actually is), so he plays his eighth-note pickup to the credits twice as short as it should be. He can plainly tell where Williams is about to put his downbeat for the start of the credits, but since he mistakenly thinks beat 4 is so short (when actually, it's so long that Williams subdivides it!), he plays his pickup note short. Since he doesn't notice Williams' downward beat 4, he probably thinks beat 3 is actually the one being super-stretched (almost like a mini fermata). It's just a fundamental misunderstanding. In other words, the guy doesn't seem to be catching Williams' actual beat 4. And since beat 4 is usually conducted as an upstroke - not down - the trumpet player thinks he's seeing beat 4 being conducted, when actually he's seeing the second half of beat 4 being conducted. Sorry if this is confusing; I hope someone else on the forum who is musically-literate understands the point I'm trying to make. Go see for yourself in the video; can anyone else confirm they're seeing what I'm seeing? It's a bummer. The thing is, as a musician (and a brass player), I can see why the trumpet player would think the way he did. The issue could have been avoided if Williams conducted beat 4 as a partial upstroke (which would have made everyone plainly aware of where beat 4 was), and then re-beat up in the air to signal the second half of the beat. So basically, conduct beat 4 in the normal direction (upwards), but do two gestures upwards to subdivide the beat, so everybody knows what is what. TLDR: Normally beat 4 is conducted as an upstroke, but Williams conducted beat 4 as a downstroke so he could do the second half of beat 4 as an upstroke. The trumpet player mistakenly thought the upstroke Williams did for the second half of beat 4, was actually the beginning of beat 4. That's why the trumpet player's last note before the credits is so late and short. EDIT: Yep, he played it correctly on Thursday night; listen to how his note is longer and lines up with the rest of the orchestra. So, I'm 99% sure that's what happened. The other times, the guy got confused by what Williams was doing for beat 4 of that measure, and you can hear he sounds a little uncertain as to the placement of his note. Too bad; hopefully Thursday gets used for that spot in the commercial recording, but I won't hold my breath. @Sibelius6, thoughts?
  2. It does sound kind of cool, the more that I listen to it. But I just thought it was a case of the trumpet player not being aware of where his note fits in with everyone else, and not following Williams' eighth-note gesture on the upbeat. I hope it was intentional, but I got a bit of an uncertain vibe from the trumpet player on that note in the Saturday recording.
  3. Someone on YT posted the Throne Room recording from Friday night... Is it just me, or is the first trumpet's note leading into the credits (4:30 in this video) late? Pretty sure he should be in sync on that note with the strings (and others), but he enters later than them. I noticed the same thing during the Saturday Digital Concert Hall performance, which you can hear in the MP3 that is available. In the piece, there's a big slow-down leading up to the credits, and I'm pretty sure it should be an eighth-note pickup... But he plays more like a sixteenth-note instead. It doesn't sound that way in ANY other recording (to the best of my knowledge). Is this simply a mistake that persisted throughout the week that Williams didn't notice, or did Williams give him the go-ahead to place the note later than everybody else? It just sounds a bit off... Don't get me wrong, I love his playing overall. But this note just stood out to me, and it's a bit frustrating since everything else is amazing.
  4. The only thing Vienna had that I REALLY wish Berlin had, is Hook. Other than that, I prefer Berlin's program. (Oh, and "The Rise of Skywalker" would have been nice, too.)
  5. For those who don't recall, Simone Pedroni is the guy who released a piano album of Williams transcriptions a few years back!
  6. But those masks are meant to prevent you from spreading it to others, not to prevent you from catching it...
  7. But he's vaccinated (and I'm assuming the other guy is too), and to be fair, that kind of mask doesn't really help much anyways... Not sure the big deal?
  8. Does the video not work for anyone else? Man, it's frustrating; I keep seeing members posting .MOV video links, but none of them are working for me.
  9. Which mistake is in the printed sheet music? EDIT: The E.T. chord?
  10. Ugh, can't stand that guy's attitude. Hm, can't see it for some reason.
  11. Eh, she played the solo parts because she is a famous career soloist. Principal players are also called "soloists" in some orchestras. It just refers to the player who (by virtue of playing the 1st part) plays most of the solos for the instrument, in a given work. Principal players are also expected to lead the other musicians of their sections, as well as to blend in when necessary. But it's not like every "soloist" player is drastically different than the other members of the orchestra. I think you're slightly overestimating the difference. That being said, I do think in most cases principal players are "the best"/have the most personality in their playing, and that's why they got hired for the role. So FWIW, I do agree with you though about the principals missing from these concerts. I wish Stefan Dohr was playing.
  12. Very cool. I don't see the guy who was playing 1st horn listed there; wonder who he is.
  13. I noticed that. That kind of bugged me. I thought they still sounded great, but for instance it would have been nice to see Stefan Dohr on 1st horn. Actually, some of the people I saw playing 1st, I don't even see them listed on the Berlin Phil website as members... Did they bring in freelancers to play principal? Strange. Any reason why? Is it something to do with the Vienna album?
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