scottsinct 3 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 When the winners are announced, the Oscar Orchestra starts to play the theme of the winner nearly immediately. Since I doubt they have every theme memorized, how can they do this?Possibly they don't have real sheet music, but instead a computerized screen which shows the theme they need to play? But in the few shots they showed of the orchestra I didn't see that. (Also, how would they have done that before computers were around?)Ideas? Does anyone have a definitive answer?Thanks,Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 They do indeed learn the music from every single film nominated (the non-theatrical and/or documentry films are the exceptions- generally the same music is used for the category every year). For every category, they have a set of sheet of music from all the nominees. It's not all that much, really, it's only 2-3 bars of music from each film, and there's so much overlap in the categories. Morlock- who learned as much in a behind the scene special of the Oscars, where Conti described the process (this was at least true a decade ago, and seems to be a logical system) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG-SI 10 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 My guess is they probably know the winners in advance. Envelope is just a fassade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Do you really think an entire orchestra would know who won early? I'm sure not. Any one of then could sell the winners so easily. And for such a pittance as learning 2-3 bars of music per film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 When the winners are announced, the Oscar Orchestra starts to play the theme of the winner nearly immediately. Since I doubt they have every theme memorized, how can they do this?Possibly they don't have real sheet music, but instead a computerized screen which shows the theme they need to play? But in the few shots they showed of the orchestra I didn't see that. (Also, how would they have done that before computers were around?)Ideas? Does anyone have a definitive answer?Thanks,ScottYeah I posted this very thought last night in the Oscars thread. Sort of makes you go hmmmmm...My guess is they have one sheet of paper with all the nominations for each category, and on that one sheet fits all 4 or 5 themes (they don't really play more than 8-12 bars), so they all fit on one sheet and they don't have to go searching frantically for the right page. Maybe the conductor knows the results ahead of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi 0 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 They have 1/2 pages of music in front of them on the stand, and as many nominees as there are there are 5-8 bar loops of music. A few seconds before the annoucement The conductor gets a whisper in his headset and holds up his fingers so the orchestra knows which loop to play, and that way everything is kept secret. The group must be on their toes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 I would tend to agree with pi, but I do not believe the conductor knows beforehand. Only the accountants who tallied the votes know before the envelope is opened.The show's director doesn't know. The producer doesn't know. The host doesn't know. No. One. Knows.The orchestra and the conductor is just quick on their feet, sp to speak. They do rehearse the pieces beforehand, and for the most part, there are only 15 film cues to rehearse. As with last night, they played most of them (11 different feature films won Oscars last night).I have to give them props for being able to play after hearing "Shakespeare in Love" and "Crash" win Best Picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellgi 0 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 I would tend to agree with pi, but I do not believe the conductor knows beforehand. Only the accountants who tallied the votes know before the envelope is opened.The show's director doesn't know. The producer doesn't know. The host doesn't know. No. One. Knows.The orchestra and the conductor is just quick on their feet, sp to speak. They do rehearse the pieces beforehand, and for the most part, there are only 15 film cues to rehearse. As with last night, they played most of them (11 different feature films won Oscars last night).I have to give them props for being able to play after hearing "Shakespeare in Love" and "Crash" win Best Picture.Indeed the conductor doesn't know beforehand. No one knows. It would actually be much easier if the conductor and the orchestra knew, but they don't.They are about 25-30 pieces of music to rehearse and to know, one for each film - the only categories where a generic piece of music is used are documentary (short and feature), best animated short and foreign film. This year though, both An Inconvenient Truth and Pan's Labyrinth had a specific play-on.The conductor and the orchestra learn the winner as it is announced by the presenter, quickly find the piece of music on their 3-page sheet and they play it. It's that simple...Hellgi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 And yet Cruz was there to give an award to Santaolalla (even more obvious when Hayek presented last year), and Coppola, Lucas and Spielberg were all on stage to give Scorsese his Oscar. Coincidence? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Marc has a very good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 No he doesn't. Scorsese winning was only slightely less of a sure thing than Helen Mirren, and Cruz fit the bill both for Gustavo and Navarrette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Yes it's a total coincidence that the 4 most successfull directors of the 70's New Wave were on the stage that night.Dream on Numbnuts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 And yet Cruz was there to give an award to Santaolalla (even more obvious when Hayek presented last year), and Coppola, Lucas and Spielberg were all on stage to give Scorsese his Oscar. Coincidence? I think not.And Harrison Ford came out to presumably give the Best Picture Oscar to "Saving Private Ryan," one of many years where that trick didn't work out.Though it is interesting to note that Ford announced Roman Polanski won the directing Oscar. You might remember that Polanski directed Ford in "Frantic." So maybe there was some premonition then.Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dole 17 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 The orchestra can't know the winners ahead of time because occasionally they make a mistake. They played the wrong music when (I think) Black Hawk Down won an upset in a category a few years back. It was probably hard for them to hear over all the screaming as soon as the first name was announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Yes it's a total coincidence that the 4 most successfull directors of the 70's New Wave were on the stage that night.Dream on Numbnuts! Did you even read what T said? I said it was not a coincidence at all. But it doesn't take a rocket scientest to have been able to predict that Scorsese would win.And Harrison Ford came out to presumably give the Best Picture Oscar to "Saving Private Ryan," one of many years where that trick didn't work out. Indeed....he looked quites phazed when he saw what was in the envelope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 "I believe in coincidences. Coincidences happen every day. But I don't trust coincidences." - Garak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 That coming from a being who's motto was "Never tell the truth when a lie will do", and of whom it has been said that he "has a rare gift for obfuscation." Hardly a reliable source. Morlock- who found out who Garak is through wikipedia. Morlock 2- who loved the quote "The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Lying is a skill like any other, and if you want to maintain a level of excellence, you have to practice constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Bashir: Do you know the story of the boy who cried wolf?Garak: No.Bashir: It's a children's story about a young shepherd boy who gets lonely while tending his flock. So he cries out to the villagers that a wolf is attacking the sheep. The people come running, but of course, there's no wolf. He claims that it's run away, and the villagers praise him for his vigilance.Garak: Clever lad! A charming story.Bashir: I'm not finished. The next day the boy does it again, and the next day, too. On the fourth day, a wolf really comes. The boy cries out at the top of his lungs, but the villagers ignore him... and the boy and his flock are gobbled up.Garak: That's a little graphic for children, don't you think?Bashir: But the point is that if you lie all the time, no one will believe you even if you're telling the truth.Garak: Are you sure that's the point, Doctor?Bashir: Of course, what else would it be?Garak: That you should never tell the same lie twice. (I quite like this guy....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Be carefull Morlock. He's JoeinAr's fav character from that series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 sigh....I guess I'll have to say something like 1982 was the worst year ever for movies, just to keep things on an even keel. Or that Ferris Bueler's Day Off is the worst film in the terrible decade of the 80's. Or that Alfonso Cuaron is the greatest director in the history of the world. Morlock- who believes in balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Why lie when you can tell the truth? The truth, after all, shall set you free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAG-SI 10 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Can't belive how almost everybody here is still so naive. So cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 "I believe in coincidences. Coincidences happen every day. But I don't trust coincidences." - GarakBrilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 I'm sure it's all play-back , they just pretend to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Can't belive how almost everybody here are still so naive. So cute. I'd rather be naive than a cold-hearted cynic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 Well that's the big question, isn't it? Who'll be better off when we all get to the finish line? Morlock- who tries to keep the two balanced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellgi 0 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 There's a difference between being naive and judging by the elements you have. I was in the orchestra's pit last night and I can tell you there's no such thing as the conductor or anyone else knowing who's going to win.If the producers knew ahead of time, after all these years the so-called "secret" would have transpired. If the production knew, believe me that would make everything much, much easier. You wouldn't need 12 different cameras in the audience, or to rehearse with 50 stant-ins. You would only need to rehearse and record the music for the winners. You can't imagine how much money would be saved if the production knew.Plus, what's the point of knowing in advance? That kills all the fun.Truth is, the producers do make up a list of who's most likely to win. People talk and it's not too hard to get an idea of who's more likely to win. On the orchestra sheet, that's the way the winner's play-ons are sorted (the most likely to the most unlikely). That doesn't change the fact that many, many times, someone else than the predicted winner will win. It happened on many occasion last night.Hellgi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Did William Ross seem pissed at Jay Russell for going with JNH for The Waterhorse?Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellgi 0 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 This is completely OT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 That's what makes it fun!Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellgi 0 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Were you really in the orchestra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellgi 0 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I was. ... but if you don't believe me I'm not sure saying again that I was will make you change your mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediwashington 59 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 that's cool. Nice job last night! What do you play?~JW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Why lie when you can tell the truth? The truth, after all, shall set you free.The truth, is an abstraction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellgi 0 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 that's cool. Nice job last night! What do you play?~JWI play the piano... but I certainly wasn't there as an instrumentalist.. let's say I have a good connection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dole 17 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 that's cool. Nice job last night! What do you play?~JWI play the piano... but I certainly wasn't there as an instrumentalist.. let's say I have a good connection Hellgi = William Ross!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 So what happened on Chamber of Secrets Hellgi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Bill Ross did most of it, that's what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 So what happened on Chamber of Secrets Hellgi?I think he already tried to explain - and none of us believed it. Or the discussion just went round and round and round in circles, leading us nowhere, mostly.Oh well.Good for you anyway, Hellgi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 If producers who actually work on scores can't get it thru peoples heads on how things are done, what chance does Hellgi have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Indeed.So what happened on Chamber of Secrets Hellgi?I think he already tried to explain - and none of us believed it. Or the discussion just went round and round and round in circles, leading us nowhere, mostly.Oh well.Good for you anyway, Hellgi. I believed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellgi 0 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Let's not go back to the CoS discussion *again* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I think he already tried to explain - and none of us believed it.Hey where's that thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsinct 3 Posted February 27, 2007 Author Share Posted February 27, 2007 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hellgiThe first result makes sense, and it should also lend credibility to his posts, about this and about CoS...that's cool. Nice job last night! What do you play?~JWI play the piano... but I certainly wasn't there as an instrumentalist.. let's say I have a good connection Hellgi = William Ross!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellgi 0 Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Wow, someone finally thought about googling my nickname Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 So you're an assistant to William Ross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellgi 0 Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Or you could say I'm William Ross' assistant. Sounds better to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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