Jurassic Park source music (correction)

[GoodMusician 56]

So, here we are... its almost 2011... and we're just now getting this right.

All these years, we all thought the source music in Jurassic Park in the cantina was called "Que Milagros Chaparrita." Why? Because the credits say it, IMDB says it, Yahoo Movies says it...

It's not.

It's actually called Las Graviotas and for any who like me, want it:

http://itunes.apple.com/es/album/the-best-mexico-20-great-favorites/id161233093

Track 18...

[scallenger 487]

Dodgson, Dodgson, we have Dodgson here! See? Nobody cares. Nice hat! What are ya tryin' to look like - a secret agent?

Hahahaha. I totally remember the music well in that part too, oddly.

[Luke Skywalker 1,806]

so what is 'que milagros chaparrita' then??

[GoodMusician 56]

They credited it incorrectly... all these years. That's what the music truly is... Que Milagros Chaparrita is a different song entirely.

[MissPadmé 17]

ahh.. how do you know all the sudden?

[lordskylark 1]

Did they use that specific version found on that CD?

[GoodMusician 56]

Someone on my other website found this... and said "look! track 18!" and i'm like "No... Que Milagros isn't track 18...but then i listened and was like wtf... they've always said it was que milagros, but it's not, its the other track... so they mis named it

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493]

7:00 tomorrow night at the east dock, make sure he gets it right.

[scallenger 487]

How are you planning to beat security?

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493]

I got an 18 minute window. 18 minutes and your company catches up on 10 years of research.

[scallenger 487]

Well... that uhm... sounds pretty good then! Let's shake on it! But please don't put your shaving cream on that poor woman's pie this time! Last time the paramedics had to show up, it was a big mess, and I hate the noise! And lay off the hat! I love it! But hey, get me Alan Grant's hat while you're there. He hates children! I admire that, and I want his sweat on mine for it! Oh, and one more thing! Please, GOD, relabel "Stegasaurus", it's just embarrassing!

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493]

Yeah, it's not surprising they got the song credit wrong given all the errors in the movie. Remember when the jungle turns into a gigantic drop with a cement wall.

[scallenger 487]

Hahahaha... now they need to add this factoid to the following site. Visit and enjoy:

http://www.bigwaste.com/library/jurassicflubs/

[Luke Skywalker 1,806]

Remember when the jungle turns into a gigantic drop with a cement wall.

i think that particular error is a perception error from the POW of the spectator.

the cars turn arround that why they return to the t-rex paddock.

i think i saw some schematics of the place made by someone and they looked feasible.

[scallenger 487]

That part may be explained, but check out that site I posted above, lol. It has far more hilarious mistakes that really ARE mistakes.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,493]

It would have made sense if they just had the T-Rex push the car off the other side of the road and had a cliff over there. As such, it's the exact same area where the T-Rex was with the goat and broke through the fence. Ellie goes to the same spot and looks down.

[GoodMusician 56]

Actually, if I may interject, that's not so.

You should see my "King of the Hill" study on this very subject.

http://www.jplegacy.org/index2.php?load=jurassicpark/ffjpking.shtml

The first scene tackled in the "Fact or Flub?" section is the infamous T-rex main road attack from JP, or as the JPL team calls it, the "King of the Hill" sequence.

Earlier in the film, we are presented with the shot of the Tyrannosaur viewing area. We see the tunnel entrance from which the cars came, a large fence leading from the ground near the tunnel's exit, going across the screen and for an unknown length into the forest. A goat is then raised from an underground feeding center and placed within the paddock. Now, skipping ahead to the actual attack, we now are presented with the exact same stretch of road/fence: the goat is present, the fence is present, and the tunnel exit would be further down the road but is not visible due to a downed tree.

As the attack commences, the T-rex attacks the fence between the two vehicles. At the same time, the fence near the first tour-car begins to buckle under the force of the rex pulling on the cables. The t-rex then makes a triumphant entrance, ripping the fence and stepping out into the viewing area. The fun begins once the rex attacks the first car, flipping it over and crushing it. Grant and Ian-and Gennaro to an extent-manage to distract the rex long enough for Grant to get Lex out of the car before the rex decides to knock the car into its paddock.

This is where the confusion begins. Many people who have viewed this scene have called it a flub-a huge mistake-saying that the cliff seemingly appears from nowhere and makes no sense.

Now, let's look at our film evidence:
First we have the initial arrival. We can see here that the fence is quite long. If you look, the fence actually doesn't stretch all the way to the tunnel, instead, it all seems to converge into a small point next the tunnel. This would seemingly be an error-a gratuitous error-if the rex's range stretched all the way to the tunnel and further. This is our first hint that the paddock has a boundary further in.

It is hard to tell exactly what the ground level of the area is and exactly what is where but what we can be certain of is that the area where the goat is raised is level with the track.

The next photo shows that the goat is nearly right between the two tour cars, with a bushy area to the left of it, and a small clearing to the right and behind it. There is also a "High Voltage" sign right in front of it. Looking back on picture, one, and you can therefore place the stopping of the cars as around the 2nd "High Voltage" sign (based on the foliage, the movement of the cars past the first sign, and the placement of the 2nd sign).

Next, we have the shot of the rex leaving the fence. Notice the distance between the tour cars. This is slightly misleading. It looks like the cars are closer together and that the rex is right on top of the first car, but this is because of camera angle, the camera lens, and how the cars themselves are positioned on the horizon: it is only an illusion. Look really closely, and you can tell that the cars are quite a distance from each-other (look at the first car and how close it is to the camera, and then look at how far the second car is. Also notice the size difference because of the distance).


In this next shot, we see the rex walking from the second car to the first car. Notice the placement of the high voltage sign. We know that the goat was positioned right at that sign, so that gives us a pretty clear idea of the relationship between the day and night time shots.

Now, we see the Rex chasing Ian, but looking past that, you can see, again, the relationship distance wise between the two cars. Also notice the large amount of plant material in what should be a clear area-compared to the daytime shot. We must remember that this is during a tropical storm and like in any storm, if the ground is overly saturated, large trees will become uprooted and fall into: this is no different.

Here, we can see exactly where the first car is situated. Notice the "high voltage" sign still within view.




In the next shot we see where exactly the car is going to go over. Notice the pole that had become structurally weakened earlier standing to the right of where the car will go over. The cables here seem to have snapped, probably because of the stress of being on and being rooted to the pole just out of the shot to the right.




This is a good shot of the aftermath of the attack. The 2nd car is just off camera to the right of the jeep. You can see along the right edge of the shot the hole where the rex exited the paddock. If you look further down, you see where there is a dark mark in the cement wall: that is where the 1st car went over the edge. Also notice where the high voltage sign is: right next to the windshield.

In this shot, you can see one of the most curious things about the whole endeavor is the illusion of depth. The trees Ellie is shining her flashlight on are far back, but not too far back that there is a lot of room for forest and such. This ravine or moat would seem not to be very wide.
After examining all this, there are some important details to be remembered. In the daytime shot, the actual placement of the foliage is hard to tell. There is definitely a difference in the proximity of foliage in the feeding area as compared to the rest of the length of the fence, but there are no real good shots showing exactly what is along this section of road. The plants are further back, but exactly by how much is hard to say.

Based on the first shot of the vehicles entering the Rex viewing area, we can clearly see that the fence continues only up to the tunnel exit, but not all the way to it. Looking at the scene, we can also see that the plants clearly do not reach all the way to the fence as they do in the feeding area. Then comparing everything we can, we find that the rex exited the paddock right of the feeding area, where the viewing area still came in contact with the fence.

The car was then pushed over the cement wall into the paddock in an area to the left of the feeding area, just past where the ground was level, and fell into a small ravine where there are several trees, one of which the car falls into. The ravine also must be at least 100 feet deep, to account for the drop and the tree height. It is also possible that the ground within the paddock sloped down slightly.

Now as far as presentation, the mere fact that this has caused confusion is enough to say something is wrong. Looking at the initial presentation of the scene, we can see that the plants that should be far away from the fence don't appear that far away. They also appear to be different plants than those Ellie is shining her flashlight on. This alone is enough to cause minor confusion. On top of that, the camera angles used are extremely restricted, showing off very little of the paddock, perhaps in an attempt to restrain the audience within the tour vehicles as well.

The director tried to show off the cliff when Alan and Lex climb over the cement curb and must maintain their balance as not to fall into the ravine. All in all, the "King of the Hill" scene is not a flub, but a simple miscommunication between the film and the audience.

:-D

[lordskylark 1]

I didn't see my question answered above. Is the version of "Las Graviotas" that appears on itunes the exact same version that was used in the Jurassic Park movie?

[GoodMusician 56]

all you gotta do is listen to it 0.o :-p

And the answer is yes (I didn't see your question)

[MSM 126]

Actually, if I may interject, that's not so.

You should see my "King of the Hill" study on this very subject.

http://www.jplegacy.org/index2.php?load=jurassicpark/ffjpking.shtml

The first scene tackled in the "Fact or Flub?" section is the infamous T-rex main road attack from JP, or as the JPL team calls it, the "King of the Hill" sequence.

Earlier in the film, we are presented with the shot of the Tyrannosaur viewing area. We see the tunnel entrance from which the cars came, a large fence leading from the ground near the tunnel's exit, going across the screen and for an unknown length into the forest. A goat is then raised from an underground feeding center and placed within the paddock. Now, skipping ahead to the actual attack, we now are presented with the exact same stretch of road/fence: the goat is present, the fence is present, and the tunnel exit would be further down the road but is not visible due to a downed tree.

As the attack commences, the T-rex attacks the fence between the two vehicles. At the same time, the fence near the first tour-car begins to buckle under the force of the rex pulling on the cables. The t-rex then makes a triumphant entrance, ripping the fence and stepping out into the viewing area. The fun begins once the rex attacks the first car, flipping it over and crushing it. Grant and Ian-and Gennaro to an extent-manage to distract the rex long enough for Grant to get Lex out of the car before the rex decides to knock the car into its paddock.

This is where the confusion begins. Many people who have viewed this scene have called it a flub-a huge mistake-saying that the cliff seemingly appears from nowhere and makes no sense.

Now, let's look at our film evidence:

First we have the initial arrival. We can see here that the fence is quite long. If you look, the fence actually doesn't stretch all the way to the tunnel, instead, it all seems to converge into a small point next the tunnel. This would seemingly be an error-a gratuitous error-if the rex's range stretched all the way to the tunnel and further. This is our first hint that the paddock has a boundary further in.

It is hard to tell exactly what the ground level of the area is and exactly what is where but what we can be certain of is that the area where the goat is raised is level with the track.

The next photo shows that the goat is nearly right between the two tour cars, with a bushy area to the left of it, and a small clearing to the right and behind it. There is also a "High Voltage" sign right in front of it. Looking back on picture, one, and you can therefore place the stopping of the cars as around the 2nd "High Voltage" sign (based on the foliage, the movement of the cars past the first sign, and the placement of the 2nd sign).

Next, we have the shot of the rex leaving the fence. Notice the distance between the tour cars. This is slightly misleading. It looks like the cars are closer together and that the rex is right on top of the first car, but this is because of camera angle, the camera lens, and how the cars themselves are positioned on the horizon: it is only an illusion. Look really closely, and you can tell that the cars are quite a distance from each-other (look at the first car and how close it is to the camera, and then look at how far the second car is. Also notice the size difference because of the distance).

In this next shot, we see the rex walking from the second car to the first car. Notice the placement of the high voltage sign. We know that the goat was positioned right at that sign, so that gives us a pretty clear idea of the relationship between the day and night time shots.

Now, we see the Rex chasing Ian, but looking past that, you can see, again, the relationship distance wise between the two cars. Also notice the large amount of plant material in what should be a clear area-compared to the daytime shot. We must remember that this is during a tropical storm and like in any storm, if the ground is overly saturated, large trees will become uprooted and fall into: this is no different.

Here, we can see exactly where the first car is situated. Notice the "high voltage" sign still within view.

In the next shot we see where exactly the car is going to go over. Notice the pole that had become structurally weakened earlier standing to the right of where the car will go over. The cables here seem to have snapped, probably because of the stress of being on and being rooted to the pole just out of the shot to the right.

This is a good shot of the aftermath of the attack. The 2nd car is just off camera to the right of the jeep. You can see along the right edge of the shot the hole where the rex exited the paddock. If you look further down, you see where there is a dark mark in the cement wall: that is where the 1st car went over the edge. Also notice where the high voltage sign is: right next to the windshield.

In this shot, you can see one of the most curious things about the whole endeavor is the illusion of depth. The trees Ellie is shining her flashlight on are far back, but not too far back that there is a lot of room for forest and such. This ravine or moat would seem not to be very wide.

After examining all this, there are some important details to be remembered. In the daytime shot, the actual placement of the foliage is hard to tell. There is definitely a difference in the proximity of foliage in the feeding area as compared to the rest of the length of the fence, but there are no real good shots showing exactly what is along this section of road. The plants are further back, but exactly by how much is hard to say.

Based on the first shot of the vehicles entering the Rex viewing area, we can clearly see that the fence continues only up to the tunnel exit, but not all the way to it. Looking at the scene, we can also see that the plants clearly do not reach all the way to the fence as they do in the feeding area. Then comparing everything we can, we find that the rex exited the paddock right of the feeding area, where the viewing area still came in contact with the fence.

The car was then pushed over the cement wall into the paddock in an area to the left of the feeding area, just past where the ground was level, and fell into a small ravine where there are several trees, one of which the car falls into. The ravine also must be at least 100 feet deep, to account for the drop and the tree height. It is also possible that the ground within the paddock sloped down slightly.

Now as far as presentation, the mere fact that this has caused confusion is enough to say something is wrong. Looking at the initial presentation of the scene, we can see that the plants that should be far away from the fence don't appear that far away. They also appear to be different plants than those Ellie is shining her flashlight on. This alone is enough to cause minor confusion. On top of that, the camera angles used are extremely restricted, showing off very little of the paddock, perhaps in an attempt to restrain the audience within the tour vehicles as well.

The director tried to show off the cliff when Alan and Lex climb over the cement curb and must maintain their balance as not to fall into the ravine. All in all, the "King of the Hill" scene is not a flub, but a simple miscommunication between the film and the audience.

:-D

All of this does not explain how Ellie and Muldoon get down at the crashed car and back at the top level so quickly,

[crocodile 8,051]

Karol

[GoodMusician 56]

We know that the ravine is a false one. There is some evidence to suggest that there may be some maintainence stairwell that leads down to that area seeing as the entire area had been constructed for this purpose.

They direction they came from was where the bathroom was. Perhaps, like the Maintenance Shed, there would be another shed behind there that leads into the paddock. Also, all the maintenance roads had back access to the paddocks via those gates that you see nedry drive through.

[Mr. Breathmask 555]

Yes. And the Star Wars prequels are masterpieces of plotting and character study.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Yes that's what we need, more Star wars discussions.

[Luke Skywalker 1,806]

All of this does not explain how Ellie and Muldoon get down at the crashed car and back at the top level so quickly,

Film editing? Really that is not a flub.

[GoodMusician 56]

There are several possibilities. One is quite simply that there is a way into the paddock through a secure passage way located in the tunnel. That's right. The tunnel that is dug through the mountain. The tunnel the vehicles exit when they first arrive at the rex paddock and it almost completely off screen during the Attack sequence but is still present. Again, this entire area is engineered. A Wall with a drainage pipe and a ravine? An underground area is implied as well by the feeding method of the Goat. It came from a holding pen underneath the paddock. So not only is an underground area implied, plausible, but it is almost directly required.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Movie magic!

[MSM 126]

There are several possibilities. One is quite simply that there is a way into the paddock through a secure passage way located in the tunnel. That's right. The tunnel that is dug through the mountain. The tunnel the vehicles exit when they first arrive at the rex paddock and it almost completely off screen during the Attack sequence but is still present. Again, this entire area is engineered. A Wall with a drainage pipe and a ravine? An underground area is implied as well by the feeding method of the Goat. It came from a holding pen underneath the paddock. So not only is an underground area implied, plausible, but it is almost directly required.

Possibly. But it bothered me when I watched the movie (back then at least). I think they should have shown some more shots of the area to get a better understanidng of the environment. Why not show those stairs or the maintenance infrastructure to have some continuity in the movie. My guess is they did shoot some material but edited it out.