Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I think the overall composition of the season is fairly evident now - there are four major storyline blocks (The Wall, The North, King's Landing, Meereen) each of which should come in within the range of 80 - 120 minutes of screen time, and three satellite strands (Braavos, Dorne, Tyrion's Journey) which look set to amount to about 40 - 50 minutes each (possibly even a tad less for Dorne). I think it's too early to assess the Dorne segment (and, in particular, the Doran character). It seems as though the main substance of this storyline will be weighted towards the later half of the season and centered around the mission of Jaime and Bronn, who have yet to come into contact with the main Dornish players. Out of the seven of the season's story blocks, though, it's definitely the one I feel most dubious about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Still no idea what ep 9 will be about?Stannis versus the Boltons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 A Dance of Dragons?Deanerys landing in the shores of Westeros with her loyal army, her dragons and the councils of The Imp!Finally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 ...the major event of the season... I'm not sure that we should expect this season's climax to be defined by a single event, in the way that Seasons 1, 2 and 3 were, or that it will be concentrated in Episode 9. I'm pretty sure that there'll be major stuff happening at least from Episode 8. (I think that the leaked Episode 9 title was in fact "The Dance of Dragons", and an insider was reported to have said that it has more than one interpretation.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 The TV show is its own thing now. Book readers are in the dark too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Depends on what you call "major". If it were up to you, I'm sure you'd call everything that happened in the first 5 episodes of this season "major"! Robin Arryn training at swordsmanship. Game changer! The TV show is its own thing now. Book readers are in the dark too! By the end of this season, they definitely will be! Even at this stage, predictions are difficult, due to the way storylines have gone beyond their book counterparts, or been contracted or combined, or simply changed altogether. Even with those which are still sticking pretty close to the book material, there's uncertainty as to what will end up being shown due to the way A Dance with Dragons ends in a cliffhangery way for practically every storyline. A Storm of Swords ends with the feeling of having come to the end of an Act (if not exactly closure), but A Dance with Dragons cuts out just as everything is about to kick off. I rather expect the show (Season 5) to end with a greater sense of clarity as to what's going on in some of the main storylines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 After watching Episode 5, I assumed the big Episode 9 battle would be The Battle of Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Not for another 2 seasons surely.Really, has anything happened so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I doubt there'll be a battle of Winterfell. Why? They are clearly setting up a big battle between House Bolton and House (Stannis) Baratheon at Winterfell. Someone will die during it - maybe Stannis's wife or daughter, maybe Melisandre, maybe Theon or Ramsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 The problem is, with the exception of Sansa, there is no one to really root for, unless Brienne and Pod become involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 The only "major character" in Season 4's episode 9 battle was Jon Snow, and they still gave a whole episode to the battle. I don't see why they wouldn't do the same for The Battle of Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Jon's arc was stronger then Sansa's though. Who has been the most passive main character on the show so far. Never once in control of her destiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,364 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Exactly, which is why the writers will have her play an important role in The Battle of Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 It would be nice to see her assert herself. Possibly by slitting Theon's throat!Or by cutting of his...oh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,364 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I think Sansa will kill Theon too. I wonder if Theon is so deluded now he actually thinks he killed Bran and Rickon, or if he remembers the truth and will tell Sansa they're alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I wonder of Brienne will inform Sansa that her sister is still alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Beric Dondarion can revive him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I fear he's only alive on the show because George RR Martin hasn't killed him off in the books yet. I know that hasn't stopped them from killing other characters still alive in the books (Jojen and Barristan), but maybe he told them he plays a role in Book 6 or something. Ah, who the hell knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Right now Theon is just dicking around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I don't think there'll be a battle at Winterfell - nothing on the Blackwater or Castle Black scale. We'd have heard about it in the promotional material. And there are too many things that have to happen in other storylines.I've no idea whether a battle will be averted altogether, or left looming for Season 6. Maybe Brienne will get an opportunity to kill Stannis and end his campaign in one fell swoop! Or maybe the point of Brienne's story is the inner conflict she would be faced with in fighting Stannis as opposed to the Boltons, who were among the Cat killers. Might she have to forfeit her desire to avenge Renly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 We still need to see Cercei in the nude!We were promised! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Also, since they were renewed for Season 5 and Season 6 at the same time, they can move money around and have less "big" stuff happen in Season 5 and then have more "big" stuff than usual in Season 6. This gives them the advantage of giving GRRM another year to write more stuff they can use in their "big" season.Every season until now, they were not guaranteed they get another one and I am sure strived to make the best season they could. This is the first they know that no matter how this season is received by fans and HBO, there will be another one regardless. They can take more risks if they want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Maybe.But sofar every season has started very slow and picked up pace for the big episode 9.Seems to be the same this season.The season will need to go out with some sort of bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,364 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 They seem to do Big Battles in Even Numbered Season' Episode 9s, and big shocking character deaths in the Odd Numbered Season's Episode 9s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Traditionally ep 9 was the WTF episode, with ep 10 being the "things will be ok" one before the season closes.Last year ep 10 was another WTF episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Nah. Season 1 and 3's Episode 9 were WTF episodes, but Season 2 and 4s were just big battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,714 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Last season's final episode was a tragedy! Tywin (For the Win) is now gone!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 WTF battles though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Incanus 5,714 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 Last season's final episode was a tragedy! Tywin (For the Win) is now gone!!!He's not gone! Not as long as we remember him! Nobody seems to, though...I do! His brother will set things right! Kevan For the Win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 They should have cast Timothy Dalton as Kevan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 They should have cast Timothy Dalton as Kevan!Hell yeah! I saw him in Penny Dreadful recently and he would have been awesome in this series. That guy has charisma!But Kevan was always the nicer brother and Dalton might have seriously competed with Dance in the "baddest guy on the block" series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I don't care!Dalton is awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted May 15, 2015 Share Posted May 15, 2015 I think that the climactic/shocking Episode 9 pattern is taken too seriously as a "rule" for the design of Game of Thrones seasons. If you consider the particular sections of material that were being adapted for Seasons 1, 2 and 3 - each of them having a clearly identifiable event serving as its climax and dwarfing the other dramatic highlights - it makes sense to have those climaxes in the penultimate episodes. It's not (surely?) that the writers started out with the arbitrary decree that their seasons would build up to a big event in the penultimate episode, and then went about refashioning the book material into that mould. Season 4 demonstrates that the pattern can be different when it suits the material (with its climaxes distributed across Episodes 8, 9 and 10), and I don't think that there's any reason (and certainly none based on the published material) to suppose that Season 5 will revert to the nonocentric framework of the early seasons; indeed, I think it's more likely to resemble Season 4 in this respect. I'm thinking *maybe* they'll have her replace Lady Stoneheart (so she will join the Brotherhood and kill the Freys, etc.). I also still believe it's possible Lady Stoneheart will in fact show up in the show, and is one well-kept secret! That would be one hell of a well-kept secret and shocker for the season. Though she's probably cut, it does seem notable that Benioff and Weiss haven't just come out and announced the fact straight up, rather than letting the constant speculation and subsequent disappointment (among large sections of the book fan base) continue season after season. Perhaps they could have her kill Roose Bolton (certainly a better target than some random Freys) and somehow have the Winterfell battle averted through the consequences of that. Tywin for the win; Kevan for the van! Tyrion for the ion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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