Erebor (As heard in Axe or Sword?) Vs. Minas Tirith/Silver Trumpets

[Faleel 5,453]

I think these sort of sound similar, they are both noble themes that usually played by brass.

[gkgyver 1,646]

Well, Erebor didn't really get a workout yet, just as Silver Trumpets was only briefly in FotR, so it's probably unfair to compair them at this point. But at THIS point, Silver Trumpets is really better.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

What's the Erebor theme?

[Faleel 5,453]

Its a theme for a homeland of Dwarves in Howard Shore's The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

What does it sound like?

[Faleel 5,453]

Play this on the piano:

AC AD AE CBAB

[Jay 37,535]

It's the 6-note rising theme heard at 1:58 and 5:44 of My Dear Frodo, 0:56 and 1:54 of Axe or Sword, 2:06 of Warg Scoutes, 0:59 and 3:07 of Moon Runes. etc.

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

Okay, thanks. Definitely Minas Tirith then.

[KK 3,307]

The Minas Tirith theme, as of yet, is simply the better theme. And its debut statement still sends the chills down the good ol' spine.

[Sharkissimo 1,973]

The Erebor theme doesn't even sound like a theme. More like a piece of easily forgotten connective tissue from the LOTR trilogy.

[KK 3,307]

Can't say I disagree there. I was disappointed when I first heard it. Now I look at it as just one of those simpler leitmotifs, still effective enough in context.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Barnald 379]

It's sort of an unfair comparison really, given the poignance of the scene involving Boromir and Aragorn, and Bean's wonderful acting in that scene. I find it difficult in this instance to separate the music from the film.

[Quintus 5,399]

Play this on the piano:

AC AD AE CBAB

Can you just hum it for me, I don't have access to the score right now.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[KK 3,307]

I've always thought of the Dwarf Lords themes as similar to Minas Tirith in the way it descends, maybe well get grand statements of this Hobbit theme later down the line.

I believe so. We'll hear some cool stuff in The Battle of the Five Armies.

[Jay 37,535]

Oh, hell yea we will!

[chuck 155]

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

The Minas Tirith theme is one of the best from the trilogy. Very evocative of the glory of the past ages of men.

[KK 3,307]

Yeah it's one of my favourite themes too. I'm always impressed by how diverse it is in the score too.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

The Minas Tirith theme is one of the best from the trilogy.

The Minas Tirith theme is one of the best themes ever written.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Because it's the better theme!

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Indeed!

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

That much is certain!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Why bother discussing Shore, he's inferior to Williams!

Why bother responding to my posts when I'm inferior to Stefan?!

No he's not and no, you're not.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Yes he is!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Then how come in my ranking of JWFAN members, he's above you?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Your ranking is obviously shit!

Look at my postcount! Look at the things i've done!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

You have achieved and done nothing!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Why are you being so rude to me?

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Because you are being rude to other members!

Now be gone from my sight!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

One day!

[BloodBoal 7,538]

I'll fly away...

[Jay 37,535]

I think the development Erebor gets in BOFA is just fine!

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[Incanus 5,735]

I thought Erebor was a wonderful theme back when AUJ first came out and the two further scores have just solidified that notion. There is something very dwarven about that simple form. Stoick, proud and unyielding yet it also forms musically the mountain's form as it were. First the up winding phrase followed by the down sloping answering phrase.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It really came into its own in DoS though. Never cared for its use in the AUJ action music.

[gkgyver 1,646]

I absolutely adore how Thorin's theme and Erebor's are weaved together in BOTFA. It's like a New King under the Mountain theme.

[Incanus 5,735]

I absolutely adore how Thorin's theme and Erebor's are weaved together in BOTFA. It's like a New King under the Mountain theme.

The way Shore also initially show how things are not right with the dwarves with Thorin's dragon-sickness growing fiercer by twisting his dwarven themes, including Erebor, slightly and never offering quite the expected resolution is another great little dramatic idea. After Thorin sheds his madness the themes once again ring true and begin a heroic final charge together.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[crocodile 8,071]

I must say the way Shore develops his simple Erebor/Lonely Mountain in the last film is nothing short of amazing. Not only the fabulous battle rendition in Sons of Durin (at 1:05):

http://youtu.be/_GjbswSSqgY

But the more martial score material developed from it (at 0:35):

http://youtu.be/9mAjp2tIopg

Karol

[Incanus 5,735]

Yeah that first example is perhaps my favourite from the last film.

[SafeUnderHill 205]

[crocodile 8,071]

Yes, in the scene when Laketown people reach Dale and Bard sees there is some activity around Erebor's entrance (Dwarves are fortifying themselves).

Karol