filmmusic 1,844 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 This was brought to my attention by Robert Folk's facebook profile.http://www.tasteofcinema.com/2014/the-25-greatest-film-composers-in-cinema-history/John Williams is in number 3The one I don't know at all is an Indian one..Any omissions?Hmmmm...Alex North and Miklos Rozsa should be there too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Where the fuck is Alex North, you know, that guy who wrote the first ever symphonic jazz score? Ignorant pricks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 You don't know Ilayaraja - the greatest composer who ever lived?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Meh. What is the point of these lists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 This is the first time I've visited tasteofcinnamon.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Meh. What is the point of these lists?From what I understand people these days have hard time reading anything that isn't a list. It's what gets most hits on the net.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Of course. Everybody wants to know who's number 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Why not just say "here is a list of 25 composers"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Because then you end up with just one page. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Why not just say "here is a list of 25 composers"? Yeah, sure, and why not say: "Here's a list of 25 random dudes"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Surprised there's no Korngold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,844 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 Surprised there's no KorngoldOh, yes. It's an omission too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Surprised there's no Korngold Not to mention Walton, Prokofiev, Shostakovich and Corigliano, if they're going to include Takemitsu and Glass. WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Both Prokofiev and Shostakovich are on the list. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,844 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 Both Prokofiev and Shostakovich are on the list. KarolWhat list are you reading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 "Good one, guys!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 There's no other place for JW but at # 1 for Star Wars alone . It looks like he wrote the whole article to place Ennio in the #1 spot to look like he "knows better" . You THOUGHT this guy would be #1 ?(he says talking about JW) . Of course he is. Ennio has not a well known score except Once Upon in the West and The Good, The Bad and the Ugly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crocodile 8,027 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 There's no other place for JW but at # 1 . He placed Ennio at #1 just to be dick and look like he "knows better" . Ennio has not a well known score except Once Upon in the West and The God, The Bad and the UglyHe's definitely not "top" over JW, neither is SteinerOh I don't know about that, KM. John Williams is popular among film goers, but Ennio is a real pop star known to wide group of people. Can't really determine if he's more popular, but he does have a lot to show for it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Ennio has not a well known score except Once Upon in the West and The Good, The Bad and the Ugly Once Upon a Time in the West, Once Upon a Time in America, The Mission, Cinema Paradiso, The Untouchables, Battle for Algiers etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,844 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 I think a proper ranking should rank the most skillfull composer first!Not the one that has the most popular (or iconic) scores.So, ask yourselves who do you think is the most skillful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Ennio has not a well known score except Once Upon in the West and The Good, The Bad and the UglyOnce Upon a Time in the West, Once Upon a Time in America, The Mission, Cinema Paradiso, The Untouchables, Battle for Algiers etc. Those aren't well knownI think a proper ranking should rank the most skillfull composer first!Not the one that has the most popular (or iconic) scores.So, ask yourselves who do you think is the most skillful. JW exceeds Ennio Morricone by lightyears, Morricone can wrote pretty main themes (occasionally) and that's it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 They are around the world. Almost everybody I know has some Ennio compilation. And they know nothing about film music.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 More people have JW compilations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 No. Film and film music fans do.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,844 Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 Yes, i agree with crocodile (or Karol) on this.People that don't know anything about film music, know Morricone (and may not know at all who Williams is).One explanation I have is that the spaggheti westerns are more popular among "the guys", than Star Wars, or Superman, or Indiana Jones etc., so they know him from there.Also Morricone's music is more easy listening music than Williams'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 It's the same handful of themes. Once Upon in the West, The Good the Bad and the Ugly,The Mission and the rest of the c.d. you skip overI remember I had a Morricone compilation a long time ago and I'd skip most of the tracksOne explanation I have is that the spaggheti westerns are more popular among "the guys", than Star Wars, or Superman, or Indiana Jones etc., so they know him from there.Also Morricone's music is more easy listening music than Williams'.JawsStar WarsE.T.Indiana JonesSupermanJurassic ParkHarry PotterThat comprise more of an audience than "spaghetti westerns"I'd say Hans Zimmer probably deserves more of a top spot than Morricone even if I hate his music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 What do they know from Williams then? Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Superman, Back to the Future, Titanic and Star Trek.I was told the other day by one friend that he really liked that Harry Potter theme by Alan Silvestri. And that person is far from film ignorant. In fact, in general I'd say he knows more than most of us. But people don't care about film music and Williams is just another name for them.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Also in terms of iconic status, Maurice Jarre and John Barry probably top Morricone tooMorricone is probably one of the most overrated film composers. As I said some of his themes are absolutely gorgeous, but they are far in between a truck load of mediocre crap. The "underscore" portion of his scores is unlistenable outside of the films Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact he's the only film composer (with the exception of Williams, to some extent) that broke into the mainstream. Popular artist record cover of his music and he's considered hip. The audience at the recent concert I attended absolutely went nuts.It's not a matter of taste, it's a fact.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 oh wait he placed Nino Rota at # 5. NINO ROTA???? What the hell has he composed besides the Godfather theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 A lot of Fellini films, Romeo and Juliet.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 So what, did you ever hear a film score fan mention these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 No, but film score fans group is probably only a few thousand people around the world.Romeo and Juliet is often mentioned as one of the finest film scores ever written, though.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 it's probably more than that if Lincoln sold 60000 albums and Star Wars OST in the millionsYou mean hardcore geeks like us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 It's still no a lot.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Shore should be higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 oh wait he placed Nino Rota at # 5. NINO ROTA???? What the hell has he composed besides the Godfather theme Rota's more of a cinephile's composer, if you get what I mean. A bit like Herrmann in that respect, but more obscure to the Anglosphere because he's foreign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 the art house cafe crowd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Zimmer should also be higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 So what, did you ever hear a film score fan mention these?You'd be truly ignorant looking down on Rota and his scores for Fellini and Romeo and Juliet. Especially the latter one is an absolute masterpiece.But aside from that argument: Thomas Newman ranked higher than Danny Elfman, and Menken higher than Horner ... mmmmkay.And Newton-Howard and Silvestri (based on The Avengers and Cap America?) make it into the list while Henry Mancini and Alex North don't? Fucking moron. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,224 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Why not just say "here is a list of 25 composers"? Yeah, sure, and why not say: "Here's a list of 25 random dudes"?The 25 Greatest Random Dudes in Human History.Erich Wolfgang Korngold should be higher. (On the composers' list; not sure about the random dudes' one.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Erich Korngold deserves to be #1 on the random dudes list; any other placement would be silly and uninformed. Not sure about where I'd want him on the composers list. Sharkissimo and Glóin the Dark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,224 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 It was daylight robbery that time he was up for the Oscar for Best Random Dude and they gave it to some other random dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,644 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Shore should be higher.I think The Lord of the Rings are fantastic scores but besides that, there's not much else that's noteworthy. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Yes, LOTR and the Cronenberg collaborations aside, Shore's a bit on the bland side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 Well if John should be #1 for SW alone, according to KM logic, then Shore should be co-#1 for LOTR alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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