Incanus 5,714 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I think Doug mentioned on Twitter that there are more common figures in the themes of Hobbit because of the smaller nature of the story. Good examples are of course the dwarven themes and how they connect to Bard's themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Listening to this made me realize that the Politicians of Laketown theme sounds like the beginning of the Woodland Realm theme!Features some of the unreleased music edited out of Shores Of The Long Lake, as well as some cool material from Fire And Water.Yeah thats 2 bits from Fire&Water right there (for Thorins scene and for Bard running out of arrows)also it has the part of Ruins Of Dale that was microedited out on the albumthough I am not sure if it has anything new for Shores of the Long Lake, that Politicians theme sounded more like what I heard during the first crossdressing Alfrid scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MedigoScan 324 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 though I am not sure if it has anything new for Shores of the Long Lake, that Politicians theme sounded more like what I heard during the first crossdressing Alfrid sceneI was thinking of the Bard's Family theme statement. You may be right about that Politicians theme statement.EDIT: Damn, I realized that this Bard's Family theme statement is actually from Fire And Water.actually they could be one and the same, they sound similar enoughas in that Fire&Water statement was tracked to the Long Lake scene to replace the first BardtheLeader appearance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,348 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The politicians statement is from the Crossdressing scene.The Bard Family statement in the other crossdressing scene is not the same as this statement IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 It's so odd to me that Alfrid's Theme was completely axed from the OST after being used in the film so frequently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Oops! A post that misread could have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 its the shortest alfrid statement in the movie at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The Credits music seems to be:Ironfoot (Laketown Theme) > The Darkest Hour (Laketown/Bard Theme) > Poor Souls (?) (Unreleased bit of Fire and Water) > Shores of the Long Lake (More prominent Recorder) > Coward in a Corset > The Runs of Dale (microedits restored) > Bard Alone (Unreleased bit of Fire and Water) > The Statue (Unreleased bit of Fire and Water) > Ironfoot (Laketown/Bard in action, with extra instruments) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 those ASCAP titles at work again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 those ASCAP titles at work again?I just made up titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MedigoScan 324 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 the other 2 unreleased bits are both from Fire&Water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,348 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 But what are they referring to? What "statue"? When is "Bard alone"? And who are the "poor souls"?#1 the statue of the Master right by where Bain hid the black arrow.#2 When he is on the bell tower shooting at Smaug.#3 The people of Laketown. Balin (I think) calls them that, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,348 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Also, the Fallen seems to be edited out of order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Is it possible the eagles music is edited out of order, too? The militaristic nature theme seems somewhat bold for the moment the eagles arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Also, the Fallen seems to be edited out of orderDarkest Hour too really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 And part of Bred For War is actually part of Battle for the Mountain.The statement of Bard's family in that replaces Bard the Leader Shores of the Long Lake scene is tracked from Fire and Water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Wait what are you saying? There's tracked music on the OST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Wait what are you saying? There's tracked music on the OST?No, I just poorly worded my post. (If you are referring to the part about Shores of the Long Lake)However apparently there is some music taken from one track and placed into another: The Descending Thirds in Bred For War are actually from Battle of the Mountain, you can hear them in the clip posted a while back:https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kQIspKwj8Tk#t=27I suppose it could be tracked, but it does not appear in its Bred for War position in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perdogg 1 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Does any one have lyrics to music in the BOTFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 None of the lyrics to any of the Hobbit scores have been released, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I noticed that one of the choral statements of Laketown/Bard had a lyric that sounded like "aka egg-non". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 None of the lyrics to any of the Hobbit scores have been released, unfortunately.Doug's liner notes do contain a line or two with translation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Yea I know, but I meant any full textsGuess we gotta wait for the Doug's book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I guess they decided to save everything for the book this time around.I wonder if the printed sheet music has any lyrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 what do you mean? Printed for the musicians performing the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 what do you mean? Printed for the musicians performing the score? Ah sorry I meant the piano books and the like they usually release at the same time with the soundtracks. I can't recall if the LotR ones contained any lyrics to go with the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 I think if the piano books had lyrics they would have been reported here by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 True. All we have to do now is to wait for Doug's book. All will be revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Didn't the DOS piano book have some lyrics for White Light of Forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 The DoS music documentary had! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Wait what are you saying? There's tracked music on the OST?No, I just poorly worded my post. (If you are referring to the part about Shores of the Long Lake)However apparently there is some music taken from one track and placed into another: The Descending Thirds in Bred For War are actually from Battle of the Mountain, you can hear them in the clip posted a while back:https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kQIspKwj8Tk#t=27I suppose it could be tracked, but it does not appear in its Bred for War position in the film.Yeah there doesnt seem to be any scene that could use the Descending Thirds during the BredforWar segment(Unless it was supposed to play for the Azog tunnel scene)Also the actual first Descending Thirds statement from the Battle for the Mountains track (0:49) seems to loop twice which makes it sound more like the BredforWar version too(in actuality its probably just a microedit on the album) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Wait what are you saying? There's tracked music on the OST?No, I just poorly worded my post. (If you are referring to the part about Shores of the Long Lake)However apparently there is some music taken from one track and placed into another: The Descending Thirds in Bred For War are actually from Battle of the Mountain, you can hear them in the clip posted a while back:https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kQIspKwj8Tk#t=27I suppose it could be tracked, but it does not appear in its Bred for War position in the film.Yeah there doesnt seem to be any scene that could use the Descending Thirds during the BredforWar segment(Unless it was supposed to play for the Azog tunnel scene)Also the actual first Descending Thirds statement from the Battle for the Mountains track (0:49) seems to loop twice which makes it sound more like the BredforWar version too(in actuality its probably just a microedit on the album) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 I agree with BB about the Bred For War Descending Thirds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I think if the piano books had lyrics they would have been reported here by nowThey were. At least, the one for AUJ has lyrics for "My Dear Frodo". "Radagast" and "A Good Omen". Unless you were talking about the complete sets of lyrics w/ translation. The ones in the piano book are phonetic only.How unfortunate that they are phonetic only. But I guess scant few are fluent in the tongues of Tolkien's world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Right, I meant English translation of the lyrics used in the scores, not just phonetic transciptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Cool, thanks for the head's up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I think it's more likely that the Bred For War bit was tracked in the Battle For The Mountain scene (or that similar music was written for that sequence), and was originally meant for the wereworms' tunnels scene, because why would Shore have put a bit from much later in the film in the track Bred For War?To ease the transition between the music for Legolas's talk about his mother, and the music for Gandalf talking to Thranduil? (seeing how Gandalf's arrival in Dale is edited out of the OST).Also note that the Azog tunnel scene is longer than the Descending Thirds on the OST, and pretty much all of that above clip is unreleased music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 To ease the transition between the music for Legolas's talk about his mother, and the music for Gandalf talking to Thranduil? (seeing how Gandalf's arrival in Dale is edited out of the OST). Nah, don't buy it.You don't have to, its free! To ease the transition between the music for Legolas's talk about his mother, and the music for Gandalf talking to Thranduil? (seeing how Gandalf's arrival in Dale is edited out of the OST).He would have put that music from much later in the movie there just for that?Yes, he cares about musical flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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