Jay 39,156 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Well we know for sure that it's being recorded in New Zealand again.On August 9th, Conrad Pope checked in on Facebook "Waiting to board. Next stop breezy, lovely Wellington" (link). On August 13th, he checked in at the Museum Art Hotel in Wellington, NZ, saying "Working and working and .....working" (link). And earlier today, JoAnne Kane Music Service posted "Air New Zealand to Auckland. Middle earth here we come!" (link).I haven't found anything on Doug's twitter feed about him being in either NZ or NY, though.ANYWAY, I hope everyone is excited for this score as much as I am!It will be the culmination of not only The Hobbit's story, but the entire LOTR/TH series as a whole.I expect we'll hear definitive versions of themes such as Smaug, Erebor, Thorin, House Of Durin, The Arkenstone, Tauriel, Tauriel/Kili, Girion and Lake-town.There will probably be a bunch of new themes, though I except less new themes than either of the prior scores introduced, and less than ROTJ introduced. The only major new character not yet introduced is Dain Ironfoot, and it's possible his thematic material was already introduced in AUJ (heard in the tracks "An Unexpected Party" [3:43] and "The Dwarf Lords".Beyond that, there could be a theme for The White Council (when Gandalf, Saruman, Galadriel, Elrond, and Radagast fight Sauron in Dol Guldur). There could be a new theme, or new variation on existing Sauron material for Azog and Bolg's orc and warg army. There could be a new theme for the eagles, maybe one for the Lake-town men in battle.There could be some kind of overacting theme for the Battle of Five Armies itself too.I think it's very likely we'll finally get to hear the full Beorn theme that was only hinted at in DOS too (the recent published sheet music show how it continues from what's used in the score to a cool ending reminiscent of Nature's Reclamation)I think the big question is which of the great themes introduced in AUJ that were completely dropped in DOS will return in BOFA?One of the coolest and most radically different from the sound of LOTR themes in AUJ was Radagast's Theme, which was completely absent from DOS despite his character returning. Will we hear it in BOFA?Bilbo had 3 major themes in AUJ - his Main Theme aka Baggins/Took Theme, his Adventure Theme, and his Fussy theme. Only the latter two returned, and only in small cameos. Will he hear the definite conclusion of his main theme?Shore wrote a great theme for Thorin's Company for the first film that was mostly replaced by Misty Mountains. Will either return in Part 3?What else can we expect from BOFA? What scenes from the book are people most looking forward to hearing the score for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 546 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 In terms of thematic material, I very much expect this to be like ROTK - development, ornamentation and combination of existing material.I haven't found anything on Doug's twitter feed about him being in either NZ or NY, though.<insert conspiracy theory here> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,156 Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 Yea, but ROTK had a bunch of new themes, too.Doesn't seem like BOFA will have nearly as many as ROTK did.Oh another thing I thought of - if the film ends with a Old Bilbo / Frodo flash-forward like AUJ started with, how can we expect Shore to score that? How will he score the culmination of his six film saga, that will end with 2 big characters from the first film?Also, will PJ put some kind of Gollum scene in this film? Will we hear Gollum material one last time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I'd like to see this ending be even more emotionally compelling than ROTK's. Since in real time it'll be our last trip to Middle-Earth for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 And ROTK's wasnt? SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'd like to see this ending be even more emotionally compelling than ROTK's. Since in real time it'll be our last trip to Middle-Earth for a very long time.Unfortunately the source material doesn't call for it.But PJ might push for extreme sentimentality (to an almost artificial sense) in his giant CG extravaganza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Thats the problem of this trilogy in a nutshell. It's trying to be as big or bigger then LOTR, even though the source material doesn't come close to supporting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,156 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 How can you say the material doesn't call for it... We don't know what the material is yet. Surely PJ will have added some amount of story after the book ends. Though of course, you're right - there won't be group of characters heading to the afterlife while their friends say tearful goodbyes this time. Still, he could come up with one hell of an end credit suite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 And ROTK's wasnt?Wasn't what? Our last trip to Middle-Earth for a very long time? No, it wasn't.I'd like to see this ending be even more emotionally compelling than ROTK's. Since in real time it'll be our last trip to Middle-Earth for a very long time.Unfortunately the material doesn't call for it.But PJ might push for extreme sentimentality (to an almost artificial sense) in his giant CG extravaganza.Are you really going to go by what the material calls for, at this point? With everything he's already done to change things, I expect a ridiculously sentimental ending that has little to do with what Tolkien wrote. Might as well go all out now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 How can you say the material doesn't call for it... We don't know what the material is yet. Surely PJ will have added some amount of short after the book ends. )FAIL!If you will read again you will see the phrase "source material" which is the children's book these films are based on and a few odds and ends from other books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Steef, he was referring to my post, which did use "material". It has been edited appropriately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Rubbish! You are no longer my favorite member! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'd like to see this ending be even more emotionally compelling than ROTK's. Since in real time it'll be our last trip to Middle-Earth for a very long time.Unfortunately the material doesn't call for it.But PJ might push for extreme sentimentality (to an almost artificial sense) in his giant CG extravaganza.Are you really going to go by what the material calls for, at this point? With everything he's already done to change things, I expect a ridiculously sentimental ending that has little to do with what Tolkien wrote. Might as well go all out now.Fair enough, but whatever new ending they concoct can't possibly rival the tearjerking ending of RotK. They'll definitely try and it'll seem forced. Besides, it's not the same, most viewers (or at least myself) aren't nearly as emotionally invested in this trilogy.Here's hoping for that kickass end credits suite though.And ROTK's wasnt?Wasn't what? Our last trip to Middle-Earth for a very long time? No, it wasn't.And judging by what we've seen, it should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'd like to see this ending be even more emotionally compelling than ROTK's. Since in real time it'll be our last trip to Middle-Earth for a very long time.Unfortunately the material doesn't call for it.But PJ might push for extreme sentimentality (to an almost artificial sense) in his giant CG extravaganza.Are you really going to go by what the material calls for, at this point? With everything he's already done to change things, I expect a ridiculously sentimental ending that has little to do with what Tolkien wrote. Might as well go all out now.Fair enough, but whatever new ending they concoct can't possibly rival the tearjerking ending of RotK. They'll definitely try and it'll seem forced. Besides, it's not the same, most viewers (or at least myself) aren't nearly as emotionally invested in this trilogy.Here's hoping for that kickass end credits suite though.I have faith, though, that PJ can rise to the occasion, concoct something of his own that not only feels organic, but gives all of this a proper sendoff. It doesn't even have to be related to the story of The Hobbit. Some kind of coda to all six films. I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 396 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 There will probably be a bunch of new themes, though I except less new themes than either of the prior scores introduced, and less than ROTJ introduced.I don't think there's any need to bring Star Wars into this... I want to hear as much Dwarven material as possible, and of course plenty of Khuzdul. The Company theme can't be gone - surely it must return for when the Dwarves charge out of Erebor, complete with Khuzdul chorus? Will the 'Dwarf Lords' be used for Dain and the Dwarves of the Iron Hills, or might there be something new, or two separate themes, one for Dain and one for his army? Either way I have a feeling uilleann pipes may be prominent in renditions of these themes. And while it doesn't make much sense, I'd love to hear the Dwarrowdelf theme again, or at least a rendition of the House of Durin for a certain event later on in the film that plays similarly. It could be that strains of the Dwarrowdelf theme are introduced here as a theme for Balin. If we get his meeting with Bilbo at the end, and he mentions an intent to go to Moria, it would be nice to hear a hint of the theme play. And to top it off, Shore can give us a suite of all Dwarven material for the credits.I'd also like to hear the Baggins-Took theme again, though I know it's highly unlikely.Another possible returning LOTR theme could be the Grey Havens motif, if these rumours about Tauriel going to the Undying Lands prove true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Lol another LotR thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Lol another LotR thread.Just you wait till next year, when JWfan is overrun with SW7 threads! SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Lol another LotR thread.It's a Hobbit thread, idiot.And how unexpected ...! SafeUnderHill and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Lol another LotR thread.Just you wait till next year, when JWfan is overrun with SW7 threads!Fingers crossed the movie (and score) don't actually suck and such threads might even be quite welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,412 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I don't really have much hopes for the movie, but music can still surprise us!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Blech! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 There's a high probability that John's new Star Wars score is more successful than Howard's Hobbit relative disappointments. John is working with someone new and young, and that is encouraging to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Well you can always dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,156 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 I have no disappointments with the Hobbit scores at all. Howard Shore did a really great job with both. Can't wait for the third. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I have no disappointments with the Hobbit scores at all. Howard Shire did a really great job with both. Can't wait for the third.Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,787 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I have no disappointments with the Hobbit scores at all. Howard Shire did a really great job with both. Can't wait for the third.Indeed!Ditto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I have no disappointments with the Hobbit scores at all. Howard Shire did a really great job with both. Can't wait for the third.Indeed!Ditto!+1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Years of substandard banality have just conditioned you guys to be more readily satisfied by just decent scoring jobs, you're all quite happy for reasonably interesting music like AUJ to 'carry the banner' in these times of symphonic wilderness; when only 20 odd years ago The Hobbit scores would have been lost in the relative swathes of greater scoring work on the scene and would have been even outshone by Shore's own The Silence of the Lambs - a score which is far more potent and memorable than anything heard in his latest music for hobbits and dwarves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Complaining about what? The poor mobile site? The rubbish state of modern film music? I can only assume that you disagree with me on the latter, and as far as you're concerned, the majority of modern film music is in great shape. Which some might dispute. And I'm afraid I just disagree that AUJ is a "fine" score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,156 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 Quint you have no idea what you're talking about because you saw the two Hobbit films one time each and didn't like them, and haven't bothered to listen to the OSTs all the way through to form an informed opinion. Come back when you've actually paid some attention to what you're criticizing. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Nah bollocks to that Jason, I know exactly what I'm talking about - because I heard the scores in precisely the place I was supposed to - within the context of the films themselves. You don't understand the objective of music written for movies if you believe a CD album release is the "one true" way to understand the success of its notes as soundtrack, so please don't try to spin that enthusiasts nonsense my way, cheers.Btw, I rather enjoyed the score to DoS, as it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Booooo Lee...booooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 39,156 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 All the best material Shore composed for AUJ was replaced in the film at the last minute with retreads of LOTR music by Peter Jackson. The soundtrack album is essential for understanding what Shore was doing with that score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Booooo Lee...booooo!Sorry Steef, heh heh. If I had a mind to I could even be a bit offended by Jason's propaganda which teaches that because, as he says, I did not "like the movies" (a fallacy) after daring to see them only the ONCE(!), I am in no position to comment or critique on the scores due to my opinon being "uninformed". I mean... Fuckin' LOL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 The soundtrack album is essential for understanding what Shore was doing with that score.Securing a paycheck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 That, and giving you something to whine about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Lol, Ringers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted August 15, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted August 15, 2014 No Jason is right! You can only have a valid opinion if you have watched the films 4 times each. Compiled a list of all the cues in the film, speculated where music was tracked and if you own every version of the OST and have tirelessly searched for unreleased snippets on DVD or Blu-ray menu's!I love Shore's Tolkien music. But the near Aspergers-like obsession that members display when it comes to over-analysing these scores is getting more tiresome every day. Quintus, Sharkissimo and Joe Brausam 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 You are a beacon of common sense in a sea of anally retentive and hyper sensitive elitism (AKA OCD score collectors).And I'm telling you now: the only reason - THE ONLY REASON - the dozens of Middle-Earth related threads have been allowed to exist all over GD without being promptly folded into a couple of specialist threads is PURELY because Jason, like gkg, like Incanus, like SafeUnderHill, ALSO has a hard on for these scores (and movies). Because you can BET your life he'd have wrapped them all up months ago if the subject was, I don't know, NARNIA. Or fucking Twilight! He's OCD about keeping things in his prescribed locations here, I know all too well, but noooooooooo, he's certainly not when it comes Hobbit and Howard Shore! In fact he's looser than a wizard's sleeve when it comes to yet more new LotR threads! Double standards is what it is, yep. So there! Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,787 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Awwww can you feel the love. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 That, and giving you something to whine about.I fully expect more pain when the inevitable final chapter of shit floods cinemas in December. But at least it will be over then. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 No, not over. Extended Edition, Complete Recordings, book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Awwww can you feel the love.Much deserved, after the bollucking he got for simply stating his opinion.I wish Jason and his ilk would get of their high horses once in a while and realize not everyone has the time, inclination or desire to brownnose into every single note of these scores.No, not over. Extended Edition, Complete Recordings, book.And then The Silmarilion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,421 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 The Silmarilion could actually be fucking superb, once Jacko has left the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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