#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Minas Tirith looked disappointingly fake, due to the weird lighting. Compared to Helms Deep it looked rubbish. FOTR is the most natural looking with TTT as a close second, apart from Fangorn and Osgiliath. From ROTK onwards it all looked like artificial mythology. But I feel no need to constantly bitch about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The daylight street scenes in Minas Tirith did look soap operaish for some reason. In general though RotK was graded but in moderation. They didn't go to town on it but rather manipulated the lighting in different ways in order to enhance the mood of a scene. In the Hobbit movies its like they threw tins of glow paint at the screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Moderation? For fuck sake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Minas Tirith looked disappointingly fake, due to the weird lighting. Compared to Helms Deep it looked rubbish.FOTR is the most natural looking with TTT as a close second, apart from Fangorn and Osgiliath. From ROTK onwards it all looked like artificial mythology. But I feel no need to constantly bitch about it.The daylight street scenes in Minas Tirith did look soap operaish for some reason. In general though RotK was graded but in moderation. They didn't go to town on it but rather manipulated the lighting in different ways in order to enhance the mood of a scene. In the Hobbit movies its like they threw tins of glow paint at the screen.I agree, there were some fake looking moments, but there were far more moments where it just looked fucking beautiful.Far better than the plastic shine of Erebor.And RotK showed the first signs of PJ's lack of control when it came to colour grading, I'll give you that. Some of the battle scenes were over done. But in the Hobbit, suddenly the whole film became awful, articial splashes of colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The first two looks awful and unrealistic. Look at the top of the city illimunated by fake diffuse photoshop light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Really? I love that first establishing shot, it's friggin' epic when you see it accompanied by those ancient and mighty horns.How disappointing of you, Steef. And here I was thinking you were a true fan. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 It looks flat and weirdly out of focus. Many of the shots of the, admittedly impressive design, seem swathed in this fake light. Like the city itself is somehow illuminated.Unlike Helms deep it never felt like a real location to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 As I said, I agree with you in regards to the actual street locales. I wonder if Jackson was trying to achieve a hot and sunny climate aesthetic, but went about it the wrong way. It looks bleached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The difference between a "realistic"looking Minas Tirith and the one we say in ROTK is pretty much like this for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Out of pure curiosity, as for now I haven't got much interest in seeing the film, how is Smaug death handled? I mean, is it like in the animated version where he just collapses into the lake and that's it? Or those he have some final words or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I'm so glad I can enjoy these films for what the are and not get hung up on stuff like digital grading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 He does not speak after being shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 14, 2014 Author Share Posted December 14, 2014 I just realized that the whole fuss about the Arkenstone was completely pointless. Especially the point the DoS prologue makes, namely that only the one wielding the stone can summon and command the dwarf armies, because Thorin doesn't have the stone in the film, and Dain's army shows up and fights anyway.The film also misses the opportunity of showing an epic scene of Thorin being crowned on the broken throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 He does not speak after being shot.Too bad, at least I hope it's as well done as in the animated version. The way Smaug falls into the lake there is amazing to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 The difference between a "realistic"looking Minas Tirith and the one we say in ROTK is pretty much like this for me.Worst comparison example ever.The film also misses the opportunity of showing an epic scene of Thorin being crowned on the broken throne.Thank Christ. The movie already suffers from too many endings syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I just realized that the whole fuss about the Arkenstone was completely pointless. Especially the point the DoS prologue makes, namely that only the one wielding the stone can summon and command the dwarf armies, because Thorin doesn't have the stone in the film, and Dain's army shows up and fights anyway.The film also misses the opportunity of showing an epic scene of Thorin being crowned on the broken throne.Theoretically the raven could have conveyed the message that the Arkenstone has been found. But even then....Ofcourse the point on the Quest was never to slay the dragon, but to reclaim the Arkenstone so that Thorin would be in his right to raise the armies of the 7 Kingdoms. This is in fact a bit stronger then the books motivation. Simply steal back some of the gold. But since Smaug dies, and Erebor is retaken, the whole Arkenstone granting Thorin certain rights gets no pay off. Like many things in this film.The difference between a "realistic"looking Minas Tirith and the one we say in ROTK is pretty much like this for me.Worst comparison example everHow dare you! I dug out my model especially for you! Even mopped the desk a bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 That desk texture is NOT an accurate representation of the glorious fields of the Pelennor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Ain't nothing wrong with plywood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Aren't you the photoshop king? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Like that ever stopped you before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 So if I were to post a silly picture of myself right here, you would not touch it with a barge pole...ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 I trust you Alvar! You will not not betray that trust, I'm sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 Keep it secret....keep it safe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Do not... tempt me!This image is all wrong... it looks so... natural... WTF is happening?! Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 MORE bloom! MORE teal and orange! Where is Gandalf's CG double?!The fact that Steef finds so much of LotR (including FotR) to look artificial, even more artificial than the Hobbit films, just about made him lose all credibility in judgement of these films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I never said LOTR looks more artificial then The Hobbit. The specific artificially of parts of ROTK were more distracting to me then many of the Hobbit. Save maybe parts of Laketown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 15, 2014 Author Share Posted December 15, 2014 The CGI ents for one looked fake, not to mention the fire on them. There is just as much looking fake in LotR as in the Hobbit, just with miniature work instead of CGI. The only difference is the better drama.Oh, and: of all the things in DoS, Lake-Town didn't look real? The fuck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 The CGI ents for one looked fake, not to mention the fire on them. There is just as much looking fake in LotR as in the Hobbit, just with miniature work instead of CGI. The only difference is the better drama.That's not true and you know it. Plenty of fake stuff for sure, but as a whole, the film and journey feels truly tangible. Not like The Hobbit,me here you really can't be bothered to believe any of it. Partly because there's just a lot more location shooting, and it doesn't look like the entire film was filmed in a studio. There is a real sense of high production values. And the real stuff in the Hobbit is altered to such a degree that it looks fake anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Do not... tempt me!This image is all wrong... it looks so... natural... WTF is happening?! Yes the Hobbit films look somewhat fake. In 2D I can just about take it but 3D HD and HFR it looks just like a TV movie with a huge amounts of CG and it makes it feel plastic. It is not a good sign when I see a scene and start thinking immediately "Is any of this actually real, the sets, the characters anything? Or am I seeing a video game footage, albeit good quality video game footage." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Ironically, Jackson killed any possibility of a HFR revolution ever happening with his unnatural movies. If Nolan or Abrams had deployed the technology before Jacko we'd probably be seeing 48fps cinema becoming the norm by now. The fact that Steef finds so much of LotR (including FotR) to look artificial, even more artificial than the Hobbit films, just about made him lose all credibility in judgement of these films. I love it how some people like Stiff who used to really love LOTR, when hearing others critizicing the Hobbit films, are all like: "The LOTR films weren't that good either, anyway. They also looked fake, Gollum was ugly CG, the characters were meh...". It's as if, running out of arguments to prove that the Hobbit films have good things in them, they decided the best strategy was to trash LOTR instead.It seems that this is a trend of late with more and more people following it. How long before you say things like that too, KK?Yes, Steef has really established himself as a Hobbit fanboy here. Standing shoulder to shoulder with gkgyver, always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 The fact that Steef finds so much of LotR (including FotR) to look artificial, even more artificial than the Hobbit films, just about made him lose all credibility in judgement of these films. I love it how some people like Stiff who used to really love LOTR, when hearing others critizicing the Hobbit films, are all like: "The LOTR films weren't that good either, anyway. They also looked fake, Gollum was ugly CG, the characters were meh...". It's as if, running out of arguments to prove that the Hobbit films have good things in them, they decided the best strategy was to trash LOTR instead.It seems that this is a trend of late with more and more people following it. How long before you say things like that too, KK?I love the LOTR films and I always will! But effects wise they were never flawless.WETA doesn't know how to do fire. Even today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 For me the worst effects shot in the entire LotR trilogy was the one right after the moment Gandalf says, "To the Bridge of Kazad-dum!" It's poor CGI. And yet I love it anyway. Coz dat music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I prefer the at times naff CGI in the Hobbit over the digitally flawless but totally sterile special effects in the recent Marvel films for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 How could you leave this out Peter...Shore's music for this scene SHOULD (the key word) be spectacular. I'm thinking something along the lines of Dwarrowdelf with a House of Durin, Erebor and Thorin spin. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Why was this left out of the film (and soundtrack for that matter!)?!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I prefer the at times naff CGI in the Hobbit over the digitally flawless but totally sterile special effects in the recent Marvel films for some reason.It's difficult to notice poor cgi when the weird lighting and grading is already holding my attention. Maybe that's how they could bring the budgets down on big summer movies. Use cheap cgi and post-process the living shit out of everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 The irony is that the grading and light effects probably cost as much as the CGI in these films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 365 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 Did you think for a second I might be the source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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