Romão 2,274 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 The first trackon the bootleg we've been talking about, where does it go with the film, suposedly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 And Neil, a rolling laughing smile is not conversation. Take a page from Fiery Angel. Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 The first trackon the bootleg we've been talking about, where does it go with the film, suposedly? That one curiously doesn't seem to synch up perfectly with any scene. It kind of works when you see the 1000 ships heading for Troy, but not totaly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 But that scene should be score by track 8, right? Specially given the finale of the track...It should fit very well with the shot of all those ships sailing to Troy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 It didn't work perfectly, but we still haven't tried out all the options. Just finding where everything goes is taking more time than we thought (though the Sacking of Troy fits 100%- and it's breathtaking). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I'll have to rent the DVD and play the cd with that scene. I'm really curious now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 And Williams' last two scores were average and not wortyh buying. While I'm at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Oh, and just real quick, as much as I like this music (and it is very good music) ultimately it's a film score without a film. I cannot judge how successful it totally is. With actual scores that were used such as ESB and TMP I can judge them on how great they are not just as music but at how well they support the on screen action. That's the real key to a scores success.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 There were some great moments in HP3 and The Terminal but on the whole, the seem a little weaker than Williams' usual excellence.I personally like Angela's Ashes more than a lot of what Johnny has written of late for the same reason I love Yared's Troy- both scores are music, not pitched sound effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 And Williams' last two scores were average and not wortyh buying. While I'm at it.You just like burning bridges whenever you can, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Well, Angela's Ashes is a masterwork, but POA was, neverthless, the best score of 2004 thus far, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Oh, and just real quick, as much as I like this music (and it is very good music) ultimately it's a film score without a film. I cannot judge how successful it totally is. With actual scores that were used such as ESB and TMP I can judge them on how great they are not just as music but at how well they support the on screen action. That's the real key to a scores success.NeilOh yeah baby! I was hoping we could take the STUPID Ford Thaxton route!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 You're biased. You dedicate your life to rejected score, so when you come along what's IMO the best ever, it must be your holy grail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Neil's right, you can't fully judge a film score without hearing it in/with the film. That's what it was written for, it's not created in a vaccum.John- who would never compare a comment from Neil with anything said by FAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Anyway, having seen the movie and having heard Yared's score, at least it does sound very appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 The film doesn't matter. IT shoudl be lucky IT GETS a score. Certainly one the likes of Yared's work.Take the The Birds and China Syndrome - no scores.The merrit of a score is if one can listen to it without a film, or some crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I think everyone should just rent the DVD and mute it while playing Yared's score. Then it'll hush up all the Thaxtonites saying we have no way of knowing if it's a great film score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 The film doesn't matter. IT shoudl be lucky IT GETS a score. Certainly one the likes of Yared's work.Take the The Birds and China Syndrome - no scores.The merrit of a score is if one can listen to it without a film, or some crap. That's the merits of an album. The merits of a score is serving the film. Which Yared's Troy does, perfectly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 But the con to that idead: HAving to SEE the movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 The merit of score is the ability to suport and elevate the film and at the same being able to sustain itself as a listening experience without the movie. And that is a very difficult balance to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 The movie is not hard on the eyes, it's quite kind on the eyes. At worst, it's hard on the ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Alexander was a great film with an horrid score..Troy was more or less the oposite (concerning Yared's Troy).Imagine Troy with a Vangelis score....yes the film could be even crappier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxbabe 28 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Amen Morlock. That's something I have been looking forward to doing. Does anyone else play rejected scores with their accompanying movie?Can't wait to do it with Timeline. After all, it's the purpose the compser intended them for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Well, I like to play the full Arena track with AOTC. I think it works wonderfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I listened to the tracked out Arena cue while watching that sequence in Ep. II. Fits perfectly, a casualty to Burtt's whims. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 But Timeline was totaly recut, I believe. Only other film I've done it with was Air Force One, and it really puts a whole new spin on the movie, but works very well still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 But Timeline was totaly recut, I believe.Several sequences still sync up perfectly with Goldsmiths music.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Try this: In an interview with MOVIE COLLECTOR magazine, Basil Poledouris said:"The reason scores get changed so much is that the music is the last chance to 'save' the film. They can't go back and reshoot it, they can't recast it, they've re-edited it a hundred times. The only thing they can still do is change the music. They always think "Maybe the music will save it," but music can't save a bad film. Nothing can." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 And Basil has composed great music for several bad films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I've made another little piano arrangement, enjoy Priam's FugueMIDISheet Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean1700 4 Posted December 7, 2004 Author Share Posted December 7, 2004 But the con to that idea: Having to SEE the movie How true this statement rings. I saw the movie once and that was probably too many times. I don't understand what all the hype was about and as far as I'm concerned thought it was rather mediocre.....but that is my opinion.It would be good to see if Yared's score would have made a difference though. Maybe they should release the film again but with the option of having Yared's score as an alternative. They did it with the recent Battle of Britain DVD and Sir William Walton's rejected score so the precedence has been set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 One thing that puzzles me is that the two score, though having different themes, have a similar style (same chorus and vocal female performer, similar instruments...)I dont see the point of sacking Yared. Horner seems to have used Yared's score as temp track, which doenst make sense if the directors/producers didnt like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I've tried to synch severl tracksup with the movie, but the only one that I got to fit perfectly is "Achilles's Destiny". When starting the track at 23:07 into the movie (end of Achilles/Odysseus conversation) it plays absolutely in synch up to the end of the track, when Priam greets the princes and the Paris/Helen theme is heard over his speaking to Helen. It starts with this low rendition of the "Approach of the Greeks" theme when Odysseus says something about "We sail soon" (sic), then tender music for Achilles and Thethis, and as she speaks of his doom, the music becomes foreboding... and then as he gazes into the distance, his theme builds incredibly to segue into the ships scene (complete opposite of Horner's descending bland chords at that moment). And I guess I don't have to say anything about the ships scene itself (all talking about the PAL DVD here, so the starting time could be slightly different on NTSC)Morlock, who do you get the "Sacking" to Synch up perfectly? Either way I tried it, at some point it stops to fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Does anyone know when will the nominations be announced??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 When starting the track at 23:07 into the movie (end of Achilles/Odysseus conversation) it plays absolutely in synch up to the end of the track...If you are using a PAL video, there is no chance the music will ever sync up, unless you are speeding that up.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Morlock, who do you get the "Sacking" to Synch up perfectly? Either way I tried it, at some point it stops to fit. It sometimes gets a bit vague, but it then hits a synch point perfectly. It works for me just about until Achilles' death scene. One thing that puzzles me is that the two score, though having different themes, have a similar style (same chorus and vocal female performer, similar instruments...) Well, Horner does seem to have refered the Yared's score on more than one point. The fanfare for Troy is very similar in style, though I actually like Horner's a bit more (though I love how Yared uses the chorus). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Morlock, I checked out some track of the bootleg, but the quality is sooo bad. It sound like the VHS extractions of Temple of Doom.Have you some link to better versions?Please PM me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Sorry, I have no link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 Why your bootleg sounds good and mine sucks?Got on eMule or something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 I'm special.And I did not get it on eMule or anything like that, I do not download music. I got it through a friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted December 7, 2004 Share Posted December 7, 2004 When starting the track at 23:07 into the movie (end of Achilles/Odysseus conversation) it plays absolutely in synch up to the end of the track...If you are using a PAL video, there is no chance the music will ever sync up, unless you are speeding that up.NeilWell, technically, neither will it with the NTSC version 8ORegarding that I used the only real exact synch point as a reference (the cut from the ships to Troy) for when to start the track, it synchs up perfectly. Since the other synch points are more fuzzy, the fractions of seconds (or even if it is one second or so) aren't noticable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Approach of the GreeksMIDISheet Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridan 0 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Wait...How on Earth are you matching it to the movie if it hasn't been released on DVD yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 What? The DVD is out since September... at least in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Yeah, Troy's been out for months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I believe in the US it's only coming out in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Serves them right. Finally us poor R2 saps get an early release. Too bad the movie's crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I still like it, but to each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Well, it's a movie. I can't say much more about it (I still think Rose Byrne is very beautiful). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I think she's kinda plumpy and a very annoying actress. But to each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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