Barnald 365 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Parks is a fantastic actor. Just a shame Tusk was so awful.Speaking of great actors, any word if Everett McGill was found and if he's coming back for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Let's hope so. By all accounts he's been something of a recluse since he quit acting (over 15 years ago now). They should add a featurette on the eventual Blu-ray about how they tracked him down and what he's been up to. A tremendous screen presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 TV Line has confirmed that Angelo Badalamenti is signed on to score the new Twin Peaks mrbellamy and Marian Schedenig 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 It was the only damn way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,335 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I expected nothing else. Hopefully his music will be a little more tailor-made this time. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 As long as it doesn't go to the soap-opera cringeworthy levels of season 2, I'm sure it'll be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Yeah. Everything up to episode 7 of season 2 is great. After that it turns to pure shit very fast, and never really recovered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I think you and KK. aren't even referring to the music news here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I was referring to the music, but I believe Steef was referring to the show.The score got really sappy as the second season neared its second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 All of it was mostly shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Except the finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Yeah, but honestly. Even that wasn't enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 It was enough to think that a season 3 could have turned things around. Unfortunately we had to wait 25 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,335 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I was referring to the music, but I believe Steef was referring to the show.The score got really sappy as the second season neared its second half.That's where we are right now. The seventh episode (or at least the episode where Bob is 'revealed') already felt awkwardly directed.As long as it doesn't go to the soap-opera cringeworthy levels of season 2, I'm sure it'll be great.That was the point. It always has been that way.Lynch was pretty lazy (and cheap) when it came to the music. Badalamenti recorded a variety of tracks and Lynch would always use these same tracks for each episode. The music was treated and added to the series as if it was stock music. It's gotten extremely repetitive (and I could almost see Lynch pushing the 'play' button). Again, I would like a more tailor-made approach for S3 where Badalamenti would sit down and actually write music for each episode.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I was referring to the music, but I believe Steef was referring to the show.The score got really sappy as the second season neared its second half.I think that was the point of the music and it was very much an intrinsic part of the kitsch style of the show from the beginning. The score was always sappy in Twin Peaks, Kal.The later problems of season 2 were purely down to the awful writing and structure, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I only found out very recently that some of the "half speed"/slowed down Twin Peaks tracks aren't even fresh compositions - they are actually cues from Badalamenti's "The Comfort of Strangers" slowed down.(neither here nor there, just wanted to share) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 You'd be surprised how many different versions of the big "themes" there are - different instrumentations, different performances, etc. There was definitely tons of tracking, but possibly not as much as you remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 You'd be surprised how many different versions of the big "themes" there are - different instrumentations, different performances, etc. There was definitely tons of tracking, but possibly not as much as you remember.This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I thought by the 90's tracking of music in TV was no longer allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Did you watch the show?The music was obviously and deliberately tracked over and over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I know. I watched it. But I thought it was no longer allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 allowed? What do you think, there's some kind of governing body that overseas all TV productions and slaps down mandates about how things are "supposed" to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 There was a musician's union strike somewhere in the mid 80's because it was deemed unfair that they would be paid for a recording once, but the music was used over and over again.Thats why in the early 80's you still have lots of shows that tracked music, and in the late 80's composers were required to only write and record new music. No tracking.The difference can be heard in Star Trek versus Star Trek TNG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Union musicians didn't play on the Twin Peaks music. It's Angelo Badalamenti playing synthesizers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Ok that explains it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 Union musicians didn't play on the Twin Peaks music. It's Angelo Badalamenti playing synthesizers.For the most part, yes, but not all of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Not the cocktail lounge stuff surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I only remember three cues from the show: the main theme, Laura's theme and some suspense/"scary moment" tune and all three were tracked to death throughout the show, so much that I got sick of them by the end of it.One of my favorite's is the repetitive jazz which plays in various guises whenever Audrey is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I really loved all the music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 This one of the great pieces from the latest part from Season 2 that really used much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I was referring to the music, but I believe Steef was referring to the show.The score got really sappy as the second season neared its second half.I think that was the point of the music and it was very much an intrinsic part of the kitsch style of the show from the beginning. The score was always sappy in Twin Peaks, Kal.The later problems of season 2 were purely down to the awful writing and structure, imo.I know, but the music got especially annoying to me during all those Donna/James scenes, like the soap-opera factor got amped up another 10 times. I always viewed the show as more of a play on the soap-opera genre (as it shows in the music), but by the late second season, everything sort of became an annoying version of what it was trying to mock, including the music.Don't get me wrong, I think the score is generally great! Especially the jazz bits, and Laura's theme (though it did get overplayed). I just hope we don't get anything as disastrous as this for the new season: Lynch was pretty lazy (and cheap) when it came to the music. Badalamenti recorded a variety of tracks and Lynch would always use these same tracks for each episode. The music was treated and added to the series as if it was stock music. It's gotten extremely repetitive (and I could almost see Lynch pushing the 'play' button). Again, I would like a more tailor-made approach for S3 where Badalamenti would sit down and actually write music for each episode.AlexWasn't this fairly normal in 80s/90s/00s television? Heck even now, most large-season tv shows do that, just less obviously.I'm think S3's will be more tailor-made, as you say, like for a mini-series.I was referring to the music, but I believe Steef was referring to the show.The score got really sappy as the second season neared its second half.That's where we are right now. The seventh episode (or at least the episode where Bob is 'revealed') already felt awkwardly directed.Are you talking about the one with the climactic reveal at the end, or the one after that? Because the former was exceptional, and chilling. It's the latter where it got pretty messy, but was still entertaining enough. And then everything after that fell apart, until the finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,335 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Union musicians didn't play on the Twin Peaks music. It's Angelo Badalamenti playing synthesizers.For the most part, yes, but not all of itIndeed, there's drums (the famous brushes & vibraphone track) and sax. Lynch was pretty lazy (and cheap) when it came to the music. Badalamenti recorded a variety of tracks and Lynch would always use these same tracks for each episode. The music was treated and added to the series as if it was stock music. It's gotten extremely repetitive (and I could almost see Lynch pushing the 'play' button). Again, I would like a more tailor-made approach for S3 where Badalamenti would sit down and actually write music for each episode.Alex Wasn't this fairly normal in 80s/90s/00s television? Heck even now, most large-season tv shows do that, just less obviously.I'm think S3's will be more tailor-made, as you say, like for a mini-series.In soap series, where there is no time or money, absolutely! Maybe I'm used to golden age TV too much. Are you saying Game Of Thrones is scored that way too? With a bunch a pre-written tracks? I'm currently watching Bates Motel S2 and it feels like it's scored as if it's a movie (even the music feels classic movie-ish). I never have the feeling someone is hitting the play knob.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 There is very little tracking in the quality television dramas of today. They budget to have new music written for every episode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Yeah, but those are higher end tv shows. I was referring more to serial comedies and such. But you're right, there's very little of that now. I just presumed it was the norm in the early 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I also feel it was part of the effect that Lynch was going for. It made you feel uncomfortable, added to the eerie quality of the structure. Unfortunately it started to work against itself a bit as you became too aware of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,335 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Uncomfortable and eerie? To me, Twin Peaks is almost a comedy show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Sometimes it is, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,335 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Sometimes? Not often?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Not often enough to be "almost a comedy show" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,335 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 So you disagree that it's almost a comedy show. That means some people are taking it way too seriously. Interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Alright then. Often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I agree that there are comedic elements, just as there are elements of anxiety, fear, discomfort, drama, romance, etc, but comedy never struck me as the main drive of the show. It seemed to function more for balance, and to make it that much more odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I agree that there are comedic elements, just as there are elements of anxiety, fear, discomfort, drama, romance, etc, but comedy never struck me as the main drive of the show. It seemed to function more for balance, and to make it that much more odd.This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I really loved all the musicThen you'll definitely appreciate the Twin Peaks Archive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Wow I dunno how we all missed this news, but here it is‘Twin Peaks’ Reboot Pushed to 2017, Co-Creator Mark Frost SaysSo much for "See you in 25 years"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 More recently than that, Showtime had its TCA presentation. They are hoping for a 2016 release, although they are giving Lynch as much time as he needs to put everything together - so it may be longer.The second half of the second season of TP, of course, is less successful than the earlier bits of the series - but I love it all the same. It's more opportunity to dig into the dreamy world of Twin Peaks. Cooper's plot with Windom Earle and the mystical side of Twin Peaks are great. The rest is kind of hit-or-miss, and your mileage may vary based on how much you like the silly side of the show. Maybe I'm blinded because I grew up with the show - my father, the David Lynch fan, showed it to my brother around middle-school age, who showed it to me when I was 9 or 10.As I grew up and my knowledge of the world expanded, my understanding of the events of the show grew with me. Eventually, throughout college, I rewatched the series multiple times, introducing it to friends and exes. (my spouse hates the thing). I always felt like I needed to give a disclaimer around the time Laura's killer is discovered, but I never really did. They were all hooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I also feel it was part of the effect that Lynch was going for. It made you feel uncomfortable, added to the eerie quality of the structure. Unfortunately it started to work against itself a bit as you became too aware of it.Yes. The drop in overall quality made me notice the working parts more, to their individual detriment. The music became somewhat overbearing, along with the storylines and hammy dialogue.The second half of the second season of TP, of course, is less successful than the earlier bits of the series - but I love it all the same. It's more opportunity to dig into the dreamy world of Twin Peaks. Cooper's plot with Windom Earle and the mystical side of Twin Peaks are great. The rest is kind of hit-or-miss, and your mileage may vary based on how much you like the silly side of the show.To some extent this is how I feel about the lacklustre parts of S2 as well. I end up forgiving it for being awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Wow I dunno how we all missed this news, but here it is‘Twin Peaks’ Reboot Pushed to 2017, Co-Creator Mark Frost SaysSo much for "See you in 25 years"!That's some good reporting by......The Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum....wait, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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