Jay 37,364 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 So I'm flipping channels and TNG is on, and it's like a 5 minute scene of Picard playing Frère Jacques on flute with a random crew member on keyboard. Is this episode considered bottom rung of the series? Oh boy, now they've gone into a hidden compartment to play together with her roll out keyboard. This is a lot of time to dedicate to this stuff... Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Hey, they gotta take time to do random shit every so often! Picard's flute has its own significance throughout TNG, its own story arc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 11 hours ago, Jay said: So I'm flipping channels and TNG is on, and it's like a 5 minute scene of Picard playing Frère Jacques on flute with a random crew member on keyboard. Is this episode considered bottom rung of the series? Oh boy, now they've gone into a hidden compartment to play together with her roll out keyboard. This is a lot of time to dedicate to this stuff... It's called development of characters and a personal relationship. The episode is called Lessons and is generally well regarded. Though I skipped it on my last rewatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 12 hours ago, Stefancos said: Though I skipped it on my last rewatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 There wasn't much in the way of character development. It was one of those random season 6/7 "character" episodes where things happen to one of the crew, but ultimately it doesn't mean anything. Enterprise sails off. Not like DS9 where the characters were infinitely more interesting and things were actually at stake on a constant basis. You saw Kira go from being a terrorist fighting the Cardassians to training the Cardassians to be terrorists. Here, you saw Picard go from being a guy who gets along well with certain women, only this time they share musical interests rather than archaeological. In the end, they realize a relationship wouldn't work out. But why? Make it work out like Sisko and his criminal girlfriend/wife he sent to prison. That's why DS9 is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 DS9 is the poor man's TNG! I recently found a box of some of my old "Star Trek Collective" box sets, including my favourite "Q Collective" which features every episode with the character throughout the three shows. Q alone is why Star Trek is better than everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 48 minutes ago, Arpy said: DS9 is the poor man's TNG! Uh, no. DS9 is TNG turned to 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 7 hours ago, Arpy said: Q alone is why Star Trek is better than everything! Q is indeed pretty darn entertaining. Good stuff! 6 hours ago, Woj said: Uh, no. DS9 is TNG turned to 11. I've been watching it recently. Waiting for it to pick up though; so far, it's been not yet great. Almost reached the Season 2 finale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 The show doesn't hit its stride until the Dominion debuts and the Defiant arrives. Season 3 is when it starts to get good. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, Woj said: The show doesn't hit its stride until the Dominion debuts and the Defiant arrives. Season 3 is when it starts to get good. Although I like Season 2 of TNG, mainly because of Dr Pulalski, but it didn't seem to find itself until Season 3. Same happened with Stargate SG-1, the first two seasons were good, but meandered a bit, but after that, the show had great momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Season 3 of TNG was so different, it was almost a reboot, but they just continue as though it's the same show. Kind of like Doctor Who 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 It became dryer, less adventurous. 14 hours ago, Evil-Lyn said: There wasn't much in the way of character development. It was one of those random season 6/7 "character" episodes where things happen to one of the crew, but ultimately it doesn't mean anything. Enterprise sails off. Not like DS9 where the characters were infinitely more interesting and things were actually at stake on a constant basis. You saw Kira go from being a terrorist fighting the Cardassians to training the Cardassians to be terrorists. Here, you saw Picard go from being a guy who gets along well with certain women, only this time they share musical interests rather than archaeological. In the end, they realize a relationship wouldn't work out. But why? Make it work out like Sisko and his criminal girlfriend/wife he sent to prison. That's why DS9 is better. Yes! I usually skip the 45 minute love story episodes of any Star Trek series these days. 14 hours ago, Arpy said: DS9 is the poor man's TNG! I recently found a box of some of my old "Star Trek Collective" box sets, including my favourite "Q Collective" which features every episode with the character throughout the three shows. Q alone is why Star Trek is better than everything! Lets see, DS9. A hugely ambitious multi season story arc, well developed main characters, a superb set of recurring characters. Some challenging material that seeks out the limits of Roddenberries vision and a couple of damn fine space battles! But yes, TNG had more Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 TNG didn't have enough Q, DS9 had just the right amount, and Voyager had too much Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Voyager had an ageing John De Lancie unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Arpy said: Voyager had an ageing John De Lancie unfortunately. I never had a problem with this specific point. It's in the conception of the character that it can appear as anyone or anything it wants to. It's not like aging Brent Spiner, which by 2002 was definitely a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 6, 2017 Author Share Posted August 6, 2017 Yet in Independence Day Resurgence, he looked about identical to how he did in the first film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Oh, I never took it as a serious problem either, it's more of my thinking that if he was an omnipotent being, why wouldn't he choose to appear the same age? I guess I was just noticing 'Oh shit, he's getting on now!'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 6, 2017 Author Share Posted August 6, 2017 Funny the difference a measly decade makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 They should bring him back for Discovery Make him a human who gets taken in by the Continuum who offer to make him immortal? I dunno that sounds like bad fan fiction now! Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 6, 2017 Author Share Posted August 6, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 4 hours ago, Arpy said: They should bring him back for Discovery Make him a human who gets taken in by the Continuum who offer to make him immortal? I dunno that sounds like bad fan fiction now! It sounds like awful fan fiction. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 6, 2017 Author Share Posted August 6, 2017 Sounds like Hellbound: Hellraiser II, where we learn Pinhead was a originally a World War 1 vet from about 70 years prior, which eliminated the mystique of the character in the first film, who I thought was some ancient being who's been visiting torturing people and tearing their souls apart for thousands of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Don't forget the unforgivably terrible ruination of the original Highlander mythos in The Quickening! "The planet Zeist" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Yeah, I'll only ever watch the original movie. The sequels and TV show can pound sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The original Highlander is a brilliant example of 80's pulp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 "Highlander...brilliant? Only on JWFan!" - Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 That's exactly how Alex reads posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Michael Kamen and Queen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 This was a nice Comic-Con panel and shows the Star Trek Discovery producer is a real fan who seems to understand the series better than JJ Abrams ever did so I am excited to see what they come up with. I always love Brent Spiner's Pickard impersonations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 17 hours ago, karelm said: This was a nice Comic-Con panel and shows the Star Trek Discovery producer is a real fan who seems to understand the series better than JJ Abrams ever did so I am excited to see what they come up with. I always love Brent Spiner's Pickard impersonations. The guy asking the questions is the Discovery producer? Brian Fuller? Ugh. He tried to shoehorn politics and social justice into every question. I found him annoying as f*ck. And that bit at the end where he asks everyone to hold hands and promise each other to build a better future was cringe inducing. Fuller is overrated. He wrote some of the worst episodes of Voyager. Which is saying something. Too bad Ron Moore wasn't available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 If this was mentioned elsewhere, sorry, but Wrath of Khan is being show in select theaters in a couple of weeks: https://www.fathomevents.com/search?q=wrath+of+khan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Hehehe Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Great show. Just watching various clips out of context makes you realize how fucked we are with Discovery. These are dark times indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Discovery is worth following Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 I haven't watched it yet because I'm running out of download data. Maybe I should change my Netflix plan to SD instead of HD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 SD? That's so 2004! 12 hours ago, JoeinAR said: Discovery is worth following Agreed. Justin is premature. It's like watching TNG's Code Of Honor and assuming all of TNG will be crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: SD? That's so 2004! It would significantly reduce the strain on my 100gb monthly data allowance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 100gb? That's Soviet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 I'm already paying $195 per month for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Wait, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 That's for the privilege of using Australian cable connnection infrastructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Sounds like a rip-off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 For a 1,000gb monthly allowance, I'd be paying upwards of $250 a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 OZ & NZ are in the dark ages when it comes to cable, broadband & cellular. And the prices are confiscatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 Because the government thinks dial-up is still a privilege. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Like guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 Unfortunately no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Boston Terriers are better than Star Trek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 They taste better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 Joe probably thinks Trump is better than Star Trek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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