The Hobbit Film Trilogy Thread

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[KK 3,313]

I'm still hoping they're just rumours...

[Incanus 5,891]

Well the rumors came from the 10 minute preview of the Hobbit films a few months back and were described in some detail at The One Ring.net. Could be that someone less versed in the Hobbit or Lord of the Rings might be misinterpreting things but I highly doubt they could be so much off. If there are tombs of ringwraiths and two wizards talk about them then there can be very little interpretation on it. Same goes for the Bunnies of Doom that pulled Radagast's sled/carriage. Unless of course the person reporting these things was on drugs or very, very drunk and was seeing things.

[KK 3,313]

I think there might be room for misinterpretation. Maybe they weren't "tombs". Maybe they were just talking about the fact that the Ringwraiths have disappeared or something.

I mean for all we know, the spectators may have been so turned off by the 48 fps, that they almost nearly turned their brains off to the content and were willing to say anything to put down the footage...

[Incanus 5,891]

Let's hope the rumors and reports are wrong! Wait and see, wait and see.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Romão 2,473]

What possible relevance could these so called Nazgul tombs have to do with the story?

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Luke Skywalker 2,386]

could it be the barrow-downs (or whateveriscalled)?

The wraiths should not have tombs...because they are not dead right? they never dies, they were corrupted by their rings and have pressence in the real world and the spectral world right?

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[KK 3,313]

could it be the barrow-downs (or whateveriscalled)?

The wraiths should not have tombs...because they are not dead right? they never dies, they were corrupted by their rings and have pressence in the real world and the spectral world right?

Giving the wraiths tombs not only defies logic but it completely goes against the spirit of Tolkien and the significance of the Ringwraiths. They were corrupted by the nine rings and eventually became nothing more than lingering spirits in physical form as you said Luke. But making them die and come back again as zombies completely goes against the idea their continuing existence and the deterioration of their will is a consequence of their greed for power.

They're not supposed to die!

[Incanus 5,891]

What possible relevance could these so called Nazgul tombs have to do with the story?

They might be there to show the audience the growing power of Sauron and that something sinister is going on as the White Council was still unaware that Sauron was the Necromancer.

could it be the barrow-downs (or whateveriscalled)?

The wraiths should not have tombs...because they are not dead right? they never dies, they were corrupted by their rings and have pressence in the real world and the spectral world right?

The Nazgûl were first of all kings of many distant lands and others among them were Númenorian lords so there is no reason for them to be entombed together anywhere. Secondly the Rings of Power consumed their earthly forms slowly but irrevocably and they succumbed to the temptation of using their rings continually and as those wore their bodies away they became after a long lifespan mere wraiths and slipped into the Realm of Shadow, becoming unnaturally part of it and the normal world at the same time. In this sense they never died nor lost their bodies so that those could be interred.

Obviously there is an echo in this thread.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Romão 2,473]

I don't see it either, Mikko

[KK 3,313]

And we can't forget the Bunnies of Doom either!

Peter Jackson's three Hobbit films suggest he's running on empty.

Since then, though, Jackson has struggled to recreate the success. His long-gestating King Kong made money, but was also bloated and oddly shoddy (for example, the original soundtrack was dumped weeks before release, and a bland generic score took its place, which undercut many of the film's intended emotional beats).

I don't think we watched the same film...

[Brónach 1,330]

What if they were catacombs or dark places or enchanted places or whatever instead of tombs.

What if they make it that the Dunedain managed to lock the wraiths in such places or effectively "tombs" to free the world of them or something.

[Henry B 51]

So even if these bunnies and Nazgul tombs are really as bad as you guys think, what are they going to amount to? Thirty seconds of screen time? Are you seriously such angry, bitter fanatics that a couple embarrassing alterations will ruin three entire films for you? Like, for instance, I hate the moment in The Two Towers Extended Edition where Gimli embeds his ax in an orc's "nervous system." It's a weird, scientific sounding thing that goes against the spirit of Tolkien for sure. Wouldn't it be ridiculous if I said I hated the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy just because of that one shot?

I also brought up before whether it matters that these films are "in the spirit of Tolkien," which to most people seems to be a zealous adherence to every minute fact. I'm pretty sure Tolkien would have hated the Lord of the Rings movies. His surviving family certainly do. It's not just the changes to canon: the physical comedy, stoner humor, modern action sequences, and even music are completely out of line with the books. Tolkien probably would have criticized Elijah Wood's accent, or objected that Tom Bombadil wasn't included. By all this I don't mean to say that Tolkien was some sort of fool that didn't appreciate his own creation, but that he took the fantasy world very seriously. Every language had to be real, the geography had to be realistic, you know, all that stuff. Jackson's always been doing something very different with the material. Search your feelings: you know it to be true.

[Romão 2,473]

the physical comedy, stoner humor, modern action sequences,

These are some of the reasons why I don't hold the trilogy in very high regard. And all the hobbits (except perhaps Sam), are totally out of character

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

It will be a series of films in which Tautau (as Leggy likes to call her) will have to solve mysteries in different places of Middle-Earth.

?

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Quintus 6,499]

So even if these bunnies and Nazgul tombs are really as bad as you guys think, what are they going to amount to? Thirty seconds of screen time? Are you seriously such angry, bitter fanatics that a couple embarrassing alterations will ruin three entire films for you? Like, for instance, I hate the moment in The Two Towers Extended Edition where Gimli embeds his ax in an orc's "nervous system." It's a weird, scientific sounding thing that goes against the spirit of Tolkien for sure. Wouldn't it be ridiculous if I said I hated the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy just because of that one shot?

I also brought up before whether it matters that these films are "in the spirit of Tolkien," which to most people seems to be a zealous adherence to every minute fact. I'm pretty sure Tolkien would have hated the Lord of the Rings movies. His surviving family certainly do. Even with all the changes to canon, the physical comedy, stoner humor, modern action sequences, and even music are completely out of line with the books. Tolkien probably would have criticized Elijah Wood's accent, or objected that Tom Bombadil wasn't included. By all this I don't mean to say that Tolkien was some sort of fool that didn't appreciate his own creation, but that he took the fantasy world very seriously. Every language had to be real, the geography had to be realistic, you know, all that stuff. Jackson's always been doing something very different with the material. Search your feelings: you know it to be true.

At last, another voice of reason other than myself and Stefan.

Although you're wasting your time, Henry, with this rabble of handbags at dawn. They're now living entirely in internetland, where gratitude is cheap.

[Romão 2,473]

Gratitude for what?

[Quintus 6,499]

Exactly.

[Romão 2,473]

Don't get me wrong Quint, I really did not get your meaning

[gkgyver 1,647]

Bit off topic: can someone identify the notes that the whistle is playing in the trailer? That new Shire theme?

I suck at identifying intervals.

[Luke Skywalker 2,386]

Sorry but this thread is starting to look like one of those ol' prequel bashing threads where some deluded individual minority acted as prequel apologists.

I know because i was one of them. Guys, stop it, or you will be embarrased when you grow out

Lets face it. we all love our favorite filmmakers, and we can forgive or dont mind some weird creative decisions, but it must be all taken in perspective of the mainstream mayority that can find it odd, very odd.

And quint, stefan is very balanced in his fanboyism and critizism, so it is not in the same league as you...

[hornist 1,261]

Great Manuel! Jackson, Peter rules!

[KK 3,313]

Bit off topic: can someone identify the notes that the whistle is playing in the trailer? That new Shire theme?

I suck at identifying intervals.

It can either be a premature rendition of the Shire theme or a potential new theme for Bilbo.

[gkgyver 1,647]

Yeah. But I mean the actual notes

But I'm glad I triggered the analytic side of your brain

[hornist 1,261]

It's difficult since it's modulating all the time.

[gkgyver 1,647]

And on the discussion of the Hobbit deviations ... I'm sure the discussion would have gone the same route with LOTR, the difference is just that people care alot more now because LOTR was both artistically and financially a monumentous success, and that the internet is now in full blossom.

It's difficult since it's modulating all the time.

Is that sarcasm?

[hornist 1,261]

No. It does.

I had a listen.

[KK 3,313]

Yeah. But I mean the actual notes

You want the exact notes of the theme?

And as for the deviations, as much as the LotR films deviated from the source, it overall stayed as close as it could to the spirit of Tolkien while appealing to the mainstream. No doubt Tolkien would abhor the films, but he was a perfectionist and the tiniest deviation from his work would probably make him mad.

But there are certain changes that are just wrong for the Middle-Earth universe. One of the potential massive mistakes Jackson was going to make was having Aragorn fight Sauron in physical form in RotK. Thank God they scratched that idea in the end....that would have been so incredibly awful and disloyal to Tolkien. The Ringwraith tombs concept is kind of similar to that.

[Quintus 6,499]

Sorry but this thread is starting to look like one of those ol' prequel bashing threads where some deluded individual minority acted as prequel apologists.

I know because i was one of them. Guys, stop it, or you will be embarrased when you grow out

Lets face it. we all love our favorite filmmakers, and we can forgive or dont mind some weird creative decisions, but it must be all taken in perspective of the mainstream mayority that can find it odd, very odd.

And quint, stefan is very balanced in his fanboyism and critizism, so it is not in the same league as you...

Weta Digital > ILM

[gkgyver 1,647]

Yes, the actual notes. I want to play withe the theme a bit.

Well, ringwraith tombs are not really as important in the story as Sauron fighting Aragorn would have been. I'm still thinking\ hoping that people misinterpreted the ComicCon footage.

Also, the side story in the Hobbit was not written in as much detail as LOTR an the Hobbit were. There are no dialogues or such, so Jackson and his team certainly need to fill that with life and bring it to the quality level of writing as in the LOTR.

That will really test them as writers.

[KK 3,313]

Sorry but this thread is starting to look like one of those ol' prequel bashing threads where some deluded individual minority acted as prequel apologists.

I know because i was one of them. Guys, stop it, or you will be embarrased when you grow out

Lets face it. we all love our favorite filmmakers, and we can forgive or dont mind some weird creative decisions, but it must be all taken in perspective of the mainstream mayority that can find it odd, very odd.

And quint, stefan is very balanced in his fanboyism and critizism, so it is not in the same league as you...

Weta Digital > ILM

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Yes, the actual notes. I want to play withe the theme a bit.

It goes something like:

B C# D F# E D D C# B A Bb

I assume you know the rhythm.

That will really test them as writers.

And let's hope they prove their worth. Boyens, you better not have screwed up! (Not that I expect her to, Boyens is one of the best things Jackson's films had going for them).

[gkgyver 1,647]

What I sincerely hope is that Jackson is tamed by Boyens and his wife, who both clearly have a better lyrical grasp of Tolkien. Jackson can have his battle and gore and horror shit, but that is not what the Hobbit is about.

[KK 3,313]

Aye. Boyens and Walsh keep Jackson's vision grounded and as true to Tolkien as they could be. Which is why I'm a bit surprised at some of these rumours lately...

[gkgyver 1,647]

I feel the opposite happened on ROTK, given how Boyens freaked out on the audio commentary of ROTK, when she realised Jacko didn't put any of the filmed epilogue stuff back into the film.

It goes something like:

B C# D F# E D D C# B A Bb

I assume you know the rhythm

But that's more notes than what is in the trailer ...?

[gkgyver 1,647]

I think I got it.

Don't know if it is really in D, but it should be A (up to) F# E D D C# B A B. Or the first note is D. Not sure if it's a third or a sixth.

[Jay 46,245]

Boyens freaked out on the audio commentary of ROTK, when she realised Jacko didn't put any of the filmed epilogue stuff back into the film.

What epilogue stuff?

[KK 3,313]

I feel the opposite happened on ROTK, given how Boyens freaked out on the audio commentary of ROTK, when she realised Jacko didn't put any of the filmed epilogue stuff back into the film.

It goes something like:

B C# D F# E D D C# B A Bb

I assume you know the rhythm

But that's more notes than what is in the trailer ...?

Are we talking about the same bit here? I just gave you the notes for the bit in the trailer that goes from 0:28 - 0:34. And I think they're accurate.

[gkgyver 1,647]

Boyens freaked out on the audio commentary of ROTK, when she realised Jacko didn't put any of the filmed epilogue stuff back into the film.

What epilogue stuff?

Legolas in Fangorn, Gimli in the glittering caves and so on.

[Incanus 5,891]

I wonder how many minutes that epilogue would have added to the EE version of the film?

[gkgyver 1,647]

KK, no matter how I twist it, there is one or two notes too much in your version.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Luke Skywalker 2,386]

a longer epilogue for ROTK???

My god!

[Jay 46,245]

Boyens freaked out on the audio commentary of ROTK, when she realised Jacko didn't put any of the filmed epilogue stuff back into the film.

What epilogue stuff?

Legolas in Fangorn, Gimli in the glittering caves and so on.

Oh yea, I remember now! They should have either added those back in or included them in a deleted scenes section

[BLUMENKOHL 1,110]

Ladies and gentlemen, after much effort to remain as ignorant as humanly possible of this beloved film...or two..or three, I have collapsed under pressure and have decided to join the conversation.

Let us begin.

Weta Digital > ILM

Absolute dandelion turds. Weta are very strong, and in fact the best, in a very narrow scope of visual effects. For example their character work is very strong. But their compositing looks like something done by the slackers in film school. So saying Weta > ILM is like saying Yacht > Air Craft Carrier.

[Quintus 6,499]

Can always spot a Blumenkohl post a mile off by his grandiose entrance intro, which is really useful for knowing where to stop reading and skip to the next post. Cheers Blum!