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There was a “Pat Roach” fight. Just not an intense Airplane/Rock Crusher type sequence. Probably a good idea that it was cut.

I don't understand this consensus amongst some of TLC being a step down - it's by far my favourite film and score of the series.
 
KotCS film-wise is just silly with extremely dodgy visuals. I haven't seen the film in full since it came out and I'm really not in a hurry to watch it again.
 
The score to a large extent is mirroring the silliness, with some fun OTT action pieces, but I think the middling suspense/drama scoring between the arrival in Peru and the Jungle Chase mirrors how spectacularly dull the Oxley and Skull storylines are.

I think if come season two Bear has the wherewithal to put Howard's new theme into the underscore, we might be in for something interesting.

Well…I’m sure Bear’s score will be good.
 
Haha. Guaranteed there’ll be several entries on his blog detailing his approach to the score which will shed light on his decisions. I always love reading those and it helps me appreciate his work more ( I LOVE his MotU score) I’m just needing to reset my brain as to the sound of “Middle Earth” A new voice/interpretation. New musical rules and clues. It’ll grow on me. 

Man o man. The amount of thought lovingly poured into every note in these Middle Earth scores. Just breathtaking. Times when I think Shore might simply be “noodling” or vamping before a sync point or big thematic statement. He’s actually foreshadowing, hinting, adding subtext or contrast with a simple chord or two notes - all related to his vast encyclopedia of themes. It’s humbling and exhausting all at the same time. 

I'm not aware that Shore was in a particular time crunch with the composition: the time crunch was more to do with fitting the recordings into Jackson's schedule.
 
I also suspect Shore had been dreaming-up ideas for The Hobbit since he signed on to The Lord of the Rings: Doug always said that when they would talk about that little piece of music that plays over the Map of the Lonely mountain, all he got from Shore were enigmatic grins; and Lo and behold, Shore ended-up deriving the material associated with Thorin from that moment! I can't hear that piece without thinking of Thorin and Company!

Quite. I think one of the aspects of the true, mature leitmotif technique that's often forgotten is that EVERYTHING IN THE SCORE IS LEITMOTIVIC. Not in the sense that every single new phrase of music gets counted as a new leitmotif, but that even those portions of the music that aren't repeated grow out of the motives and are coloured by them.

Man o man. The amount of thought lovingly poured into every note in these Middle Earth scores. Just breathtaking. Times when I think Shore might simply be “noodling” or vamping before a sync point or big thematic statement. He’s actually foreshadowing, hinting, adding subtext or contrast with a simple chord or two notes - all related to his vast encyclopedia of themes. It’s humbling and exhausting all at the same time. 

https://youtu.be/T09kqxGe2Is?t=4080
Found it, “Death and Parting” is what it’s called.
Can be heard in these tracks, among others:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjgwoD0aESs&list=PLQ4101-TB0mPMd7wO1frUP-u4Q_--kcs6&index=5&ab_channel=LordOfTheRingsFan001
0:00 Thorin's theme, followed at 0:18 by Death theme in strings
 
https://youtu.be/YLTMPI9C-Ck?list=PLQ4101-TB0mPMd7wO1frUP-u4Q_--kcs6&t=239
4:00 Thorin, 4:19 Death and Parting
 
https://youtu.be/zPitaB8S8l4?list=PLlxXZLBbAtRCc8nSvBPDro5IWJEiMSzFq&t=208
3:28 Thorin, 3:34 and 3:45 Death and Parting
 
https://youtu.be/6XH4RRZJeow?list=PLQ4101-TB0mOL8Tp4s0RqU52e6BQKp-6v&t=38
0:38 Woodland Realm, 0:44 Death and Parting
 
https://youtu.be/iR10M0S1HeA?list=PLQ4101-TB0mOL8Tp4s0RqU52e6BQKp-6v&t=110
1:50 Thorin, 2:04 Death and Parting
 
Spoiler: Thorin dies

Oh very cool. I’ll need to keep an ear out for that motif more.

If you look at his God of War Album, it's the same idea.
 
I don't know if Doug has revealed the official name, but that would be the Death and Loss theme (A-G-F-E, G-F-E-F) that he describes in the Hobbit scores, particularly in relation to Thorin's theme. The first four pitches are indeed the same.
Thanks! I might make one or two videos, but not a track-by-track like LotR. When Doug eventually gets to publish his Music of the Hobbit Films book, I don't want to infringe on his market.

Seems like tracks 2-8 are probably McCreary’s new themes in their own little suites and 9 is where the score proper starts (?) Just a guess going by the track names. I like that “Williams-ish” approach to albums if that’s the case. Helps me recognize fragments of themes throughout the score quicker. Looks like a lengthy album! 
 
Thanks for this!
 
I like how he’s skirting the edges of the “Weakness and Redemption” theme (while legally keeping his nose clean  ) for what seems to be the main A theme.
 
The B section(?) of Shores theme (the falling sort of melody line 0:22-0:34 and 1:12-1:20) reminds me a lot of this moment from “My Dear Frodo”
(2:40-3:00) I’m sure it wasn’t intentional. 
 

Speaking of @Monoverantus, will you ever tackle The Hobbit scores the same way you did LOTR? I truly enjoyed those videos!

Seems like tracks 2-8 are probably McCreary’s new themes in their own little suites and 9 is where the score proper starts (?) Just a guess going by the track names. I like that “Williams-ish” approach to albums if that’s the case. Helps me recognize fragments of themes throughout the score quicker. Looks like a lengthy album! 
 
Thanks for this!
 
I like how he’s skirting the edges of the “Weakness and Redemption” theme (while legally keeping his nose clean  ) for what seems to be the main A theme.
 
The B section(?) of Shores theme (the falling sort of melody line 0:22-0:34 and 1:12-1:20) reminds me a lot of this moment from “My Dear Frodo”
(2:40-3:00) I’m sure it wasn’t intentional. 
 

Speaking of @Monoverantus, will you ever tackle The Hobbit scores the same way you did LOTR? I truly enjoyed those videos!

Let's see if this works. Password "mono"
0:00-1:26 Howard Shore's intro, probably a bit cut off
1:26-2:08 fragment of "Galadriel"
2:08-3:11 new music
3:11-3:50 music from Númenor spotlight, could be a Númenor-related theme
3:50-4:20 new music
4:20-4:41 Númenor theme from Númenor spotlight
4:41-5:05 Númenor-related theme again
5:05-5:25 Númenor theme and Númenor-related theme overlapping
5:25-5:47 the bit that gives me chills
 

This youtube video has the cover art of the OST album, and 4 1/2 minutes of McCreary music after the first 1 1/2 minutes (which is Shore's theme)
 
 

Ah! Excellent. Thanks for these. I didn’t join until the forum until 2020. I’ll have to go back and check these out.

YEP! Thanks again!

Yeah, I posted a bunch restored cues using the iso edited with mockups to VIMEO a while back.
 
 

Shore was contacted quite early on, so no. I guess its a combination of workload and secretiveness that led to the two composers work being compartmentalized from one another.

You're welcome! I had lots of fun editing and uploading everything to YT. Hearing those cues without sfx really makes your desire for an expanded release soar. 

Oh cool! I figured it had to be some dedicated fan from this forum haha. Seriously though. Those TOD tracks are terrific. “The Old Priest/The Child Returns” has some of my favorite unreleased moments. More of the eerie choir. The terrific haunting percussion when Indy gets the Sankara scroll from the child. The way the “Slave Childrens Crusade” builds into the Elephant Ride/Short Round theme fanfare. Williams magic. So thanks for sharing! 🙏🙏🙏

Hey hey...thats my YT channel
 
I was sent a folder containing a bunch of tracks that sounded so great...and that was one of them. And I still have no concrete answer as to where they came from. If you go to the playlist and scroll down you can hear the full end credits too, even though I think the film uses a different take or is mixed differently.
Yes yes...toilet bowel is accurate. I found a folder also which contained the 'film version' of the Koenigrattzer March, even though I have no idea if that is the actual version or a mockup, but it sounded a lot a lot better than the film rips. And the Holy Grail  cue was ripped by @Manakin Skywalkerand it sounded just slightly, and I mean just slightly better than the leak, so I listen to that instead. There's also a lot of older edits on there, back when I was still learning how to edit music, so don't judge too hard

Whaaaaa?? For reals? I didn’t know that. I’ve only heard DVD rips with a bunch of SFX on them.
 
I will say this same YouTube Channel has a Last Crusade playlist but all the missing/unreleased cues are from the famous “Toilet bowl” bootleg. But the TOD one hasn’t sounded like this before. 

Apologies if these were shared earlier in this thread. (In fact they could be from someone on this forum lol) But this is the best quality I’ve ever heard any of these unreleased cues from TOD before. Hardly any soundFX from what I can tell…
 
This “Mola Rams Speech” cue. Holy Crap. That choir…

Given that he was mentioned quite a while ago and it's confirmed that he's only writing the main title theme, I'd say it's the exact opposite of what you're suggesting. Had it been announced that he had written several themes and contributed music to each episode, then there would be a perfect conspiracy theory that he'd replaced some McCreary material.
 
I really like that clip - some really nice choral work. Had it on loop a few times now.