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I bought it at a book sale brand new about two weeks before it hit stores for $30. That's less than the $60 cover price, less than the $85 listed at Barnes and Noble. It's not bad. I admit I read it more before buying than since because I just haven't made the time to do so. I figure I'll sit down soon when I clear off some table space. It is a big, awkward, heavy book. It's got a lot of interesting information and stories to read, eye candy in all the pictures celebrating the movies, and then there's the goodies you can remove from the book, like stickers, cardboard things to fold, mini-books, iron on transfers, replica tickets, etc. The reason I got it at reduced price, I think, is because it didn't come with the outer box and 2 CDs that the full retail would: "Two Audio CDs... containing vintage radio ads, original cast interviews, George Lucas' commentary, and even Carrie Fisher singing in the Star Wars Holiday Special." Hmmmm. For the $50 I saved, I think I got a good deal. I've only listened to one of Lucas' DVD commentaries, I don't want to hear any cast interviews or radio ads, and I've got the Boba Fett cartoon from the Holiday Special. That's about all I want.

That guy's review of Duck Tales is pretty funny. That game is my all time favorite NES game because it's the only one I ever beat, and I had down to a science. I figured out where every treasure and power-up was, how to sequence the levels so I didn't prevent myself from finding all the treasures. I never noticed those were his nephews in the mine carts, I thought they were rocks. What a cruel cruel uncle.By the way, has anyone seen The Irate Gamer's videos before? They're over at YouTube.Here is Temple of Doom, which is pure shit: I want to know who came first, did one rip off the other, or are they just two bored guys poking foul-mouthed fun at all the classic old games, and since the library is so large, it doesn't matter.Angry Video Game Nerd earns my vote! In his review of Independence Day, in the intro sequence, after Spiderman webslings a game and they sing "he downs it with beer," the Angry Nerd downs two bottles of Rolling Rock! That used to be brewed in Latrobe, PA, about 30 miles from my house. It got bought by corporate beer and is being bottled elsewhere, but seeing the distinctive green bottles, instead of mainstream like Budweiser or Miller, is frikkin' sweet!

The Godfather: Michael dines with Sollozo and MacCluskey The Godfather, Part II: Michael kisses Fredo on the cheek Airplane!: Does anybody know how to fly a plane? Back to the Future, Part II: Western Union to the end Il Buono, Il Cattivo, Il Brutto: The Trio to the end The Usual Suspects: The revelation of Keyser Soze's identity Star Trek IV: The crew reacts to NCC-1701-A Titanic: When you see Rose for the first time, you make a wish; that wish comes true not once, but twice. :cool: Happy Gilmore: Bob Barker A Few Good Men: Jack Nicholson on trial The Princess Bride: I'm not left handed either Full Metal Jacket: The climax of Act I (What is your major malfunction!) left me stunned, and had many people thinking that was the end of the movie. The Blues Brothers: It's 106 miles to Chicago... The Neverending Story: Atreyu finds the White Tower amidst the remains of Fantasia. The surge in the music at that point is a fond memory of mine.

I never knew this! I knew his name was supposed to be Iman or something like that, but the clip of Sallah speaking his name got clipped and ended up sounding like "a man." That's a fascinating bit of trivia. I really DO need to get the Indy trilogy on DVD, I reckon. And yet, cutting that information from the movie makes perfect sense. If we know that Indy and Marian will survive simply by closing their eyes, there's no tension. Spielberg put the audience into Marian's shoes, because no matter what Indy knows, he didn't have time to tell her why she should close her eyes, he just insists that it's very important. She thinks that they're going to die anyways, and he just didn't want her to watch. It's unfortunate that to create that tension, a plot hole must be created. The audience is not allowed to know that Indy knows how to survive, because doing so would remove the thrill of all the ghosts and face melting in the final sequence. Even if the old man whispered something into Indy's ear and we can't hear it, it'd be impossible to know that is the information he was given. To know when the fact is told to him without knowing the fact itself would be a paradox. The only way to resolve the plot hole would be to find out after they survive; Marian would ask "how'd you know to do that?" and Indy would say "oh, this old guy that you didn't meet and I didn't tell you about told me." That's lame, chatty, and out of character for both. The adrenaline rush of survival doesn't lend itself to chatty dialogue. Plus it'd ruin the nice scene of the two survivors and the Ark sitting on the pedestal. However, there is another explanation to the cut. The film establishes to the government agents that the Ark contains the power of God, which makes the army carrying it invincible. Whatever is in the Ark, then, is power not of this earth. To look upon it might be very similar to looking upon the face of God. If Moses wasn't worthy enough to gaze directly, then certainly the soldiers who had stolen and killed their way to the Ark would not be worthy either. Indy deduces this, figures that while tied up he's got nothing else to lose but his life, and tells it to Marian in the extreme attempt to save their life. This means no plot hole exists, because Indy established early on he clearly remembers his Sunday school.

I'm not disagreeing with you, ToD is far superior to AotC. It's frustrating that we don't have a complete ToD to purchase, and that which we do have is pricier than it should be. - What is this direct reference, a musical statement or dialogue? It's been too long since I watched any Indy so I don't remember dialogue. - That point's interesting and compels me to overanalyze. At first I thought he used that line when talking to the two government agents, but looking it up found "Oh, Marcus. What are you trying to do, scare me? You sound like my mother. We've known each other for a long time. I don't believe in magic, a lot of superstitious hocus pocus. I'm going after a find of incredible historical significance, you're talking about the boogie man. Besides, you know what a cautious fellow I am." If he means what he says, then that line suggests at the start of the film, he is a man of science who does not subscribe to the superstitions of the cultures whose artifacts he seeks. His discussion with Brody and the government agents about the power of God with respect to the Ark, Tanis, and headpiece...while necessary backstory for the rest of us, notice the two stances. Brody is more superstitious and gloomy, saying things about the wrath of God and the invincibility of an army carrying the Ark. Indy stays objective and not showing the agents if he buys into it, because he gets the vibe that they definitely don't. "Lightening. Fire. Power of God or something." "the original stone tablets that Moses came down out of Mount Horeb and smashed if you believe in that sort of thing. Didn't you guys ever go to Sunday School?" In retrospect, comments like that offered his character an evolutionary path along the course of the story, because the powers released from the Ark at the film's climax convince him that the "hocus pocus" is real. There may be a caveat, which I'll get to. That kind of character development makes Raiders a stronger film, by having characters that grow with the story's progression and end. If Temple is introduced as a straight-up number 2 sequel, there's more a lot more "hocus pocus" to be experienced, no worries. But if you make Temple a PRE-quel, his comments to Marcus before packing his pistol take on a new meaning. Regardless of believing Sankara to just be fortune and glory at Temple's onset, there are plenty of opportunities to witness "hocus pocus" along the way beneath Pangkot. Taking the magical stones left the village dry, and returning them healed the damage. Strange drugs control the mind at terrible cost. Hearts come out through the skin. Indy voodoo dolls hurt. Stuff like that. He's seen "hocus pocus" before and is in denial, to reassure himself. He also knows how superstitious Brody is to begin with, doesn't want to let Brody in on what he's seen, because he's trying to reassure Brody that nothing could go wrong. Here's the caveat. When the Ark was opened, Indy said to close their eyes in order to survive. If he didn't believe in hocus pocus (Temple is sequel), he'd want to watch as a scientific curiosity. If he did believe (Temple is prequel), the glow says bad things are going to happen. Maybe this is a stupid observation altogether; if you're tied up, the only thing you could do is close your eyes. The only important point I see is that Last Crusade comes after Raiders because: 1) Indy's "pretty sure" he knows what the Ark looks like. 2) Brody and Sallah (mostly) play straight shooters in Raiders. In Last Crusade, for better or worse, they're used as comic relief. In the end, all 3 Indiana Jones adventures are self-contained stories that don't leave threads hanging on from episode to episode like the Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, or some Star Trek movies do. They're more like the self-contained James Bond adventures. And overanalyzing sequel/prequel continuity isn't as important as enjoying the story.

Shouldn't turning off Auto-Insert Notification disable Sony's copy protection algorithms hidden on some of its CDs from a few years ago? Or hold down Shift when you pop in the CD? I was going to mention routing a stereo cable from your CD player to the sound card's input, but some other smartass got to it before me. Bravo.

It's not Youtube, and it's been online since probably around September 20th, but it's still funny: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1776532/ I wonder if Darth Vader did that in his spare time...

It's not about quantity, it's about quality.

"The Moon's a Window to Heaven" on Star Trek V. Definitely a re-burn to omit in a Star Trek MP3 collection. On the flip side, I rather enjoy Diana Ross' song from The Land Before Time. Just not in the middle of the album, that garnered a re-burn to set as the end credits, and keep a rather happy childhood memory intact.

Makes sense. I hadn't realized that the little snippet would be a film edit. Might also cheapen the listening experience.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and destroy every shred of decent credibility I have to REEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAALLY stretch the truth. The argument is not that JW hasn't scored a Disney film, which he has, he has not scored a Disney cartoon. Before you say that I'm crazy and should go away for another four years, hear me out. All the original Star Wars films had their share of...how to say it, fake actors. That is to say, characters who were not people in costumes, nor had we reached the point of CGI wizardry, which wouldn't hit until Tron and Willow some time later. Star Wars had fabulous masks inside the cantina, but The Empire Strikes Back introduced us to Yoda, who was basically a Muppet under the control of Frank Oz. Return of the Jedi took it to all new high with the return of Yoda, but also dozens of new creatures seen in Jabba's summer home and on the Khetanna, and also Jabba himself. So many puppets made the cut for Jedi, that many consider Return of the Jedi to be the Muppet movie of the Star Wars trilogy. Muppet and Ewok movie, that's it. A-ha, John Williams scored a Muppet movie! But weren't the Muppets purchased recently by The Walt Disney company? John Williams scored not 1, but 2 Disney movies! I rest my case, good night, godspeed Spiderman, and seeya later.

I didn't know if this should be its own topic, so I figured I'd keep it in the MV bashing/praising forum for now. I also don't know if it has been asked/answered/posted in the years since I was an active member. But anyways. Does anybody have any clue how to rename, resequence, and cut/paste tracks around from the single disc Pirates 1 soundtrack, to make something that more closely resembles film order? I know a few tracks that repeat themselves multiple places in the movie (skeletons tossing around Elizabeth, and then boarding the English ship come to mind), but that's nothing new in movies. JP1, Empire, and the Lord of the Rings franchises all do it, too. If anyone knows if it's worth it to try and extract music from the DVD and how successful that is, I'd love to hear it. If anything, just point me to any thread that discussed this earlier. I found a posting at a game site where someone said it was posted at imdb, and I looked, and found nothing. There's nothing at fommes' film order thread, either. I know this is irritating, but I find the POTC scores to be guilty pleasures. During any given work week, I'll listen through all 3 Pirates scores and also Cutthroat Island or even Hook, so it's not like I don't know a good pirate score when I see one. Thanks!

Last night, I was looking through Jurassic Park 1 and ET, and I ended up with CRC errors which prevented me from unpacking the following files: ET Disk1.rar: CRC failed in Disk 12 Main Title.mp3. The file is corrupt CRC failed in Disk 1\22 Give Them Time.mp3. The file is corrupt JP Disk1.rar: CRC failed in Disk 1\24 High Wire Stunts.mp3. The file is corrupt Are these CRC errors a function of a glitch with my download process, or are the files themselves buggy? I suppose it doesn't matter if those archives have been pulled, perhaps you've got plans to re-archive and re-post for those sets? If you do, could you please post track lists for the archives that didn't have them? Sometimes I want to compare what's been added/changed before downloading. Particularly what I want from a complete Empire is just the snippet of The Imperial March that plays when the Executor is introduced, and then fades away as we cut to Imperial officers walking towards Lord Vader. I tried it myself, but could only get a fade-out that sounded like a song that didn't know how to end.

The 2-disc The Wizard of Oz and the 2-disc Gone with the Wind, both 1939. Though I do want to buy the most complete releases of both King Kong and El Cid I can find/afford.

I know I haven't been to this site in eons, and my icon over there to the left ( <--------------------- ) still shows ALF in Santa garb (unless I feel like changing it), but tonight I watched the final big three awards of the Oscars, and one piece of music stood out. When the cast and crew present for The Return of the King stepped onstage, I really liked the rendition of the Gondor/Minas Tirith theme that featured pulsing strings. Does anyone know if this piece of music will become available in the near future, if it's not already out? because it's certainly not on the soundtrack album that way. All you LOTR haters out there, take heart: There are no more LOTR films to be made to take awards from the plethora of HP and SW and IJ films left to be made. banghead (ok, ok, The Hobbit, but I scarcely believe that will have the emotional impact that TLOTR has, although the sights in that film will be spectacular as CGI)

boo hoo hoo mean old man's telling me what music i can and can't like boo hoo hoo

Bullshit. If someone else takes over the reigns of Star Wars, it won't be Star Wars. The cinematic story begins with the discovery of Anakin Skywalker. The cinematic story ends with the death of Anakin Skywalker. There's no more relevant story left to tell on the movie screen. You want more Star Wars? Read the books. Some are fantastic, but most are crappy, and it's a few crappy ones right after the events of Return of the Jedi that would end up being filmed if the sequel trilogy were to truly pick up right after the Battle of Endor and be 7, 8, and 9, and if the powers that be over at LucasFilm want to tweak things around for movies, then that disrupts all the continuity of later EU books. And the primary thing that distinguishes the Star Wars books from other sci-fi series, namely Star Trek, is that the books are considered to be canonical works as well, albeit as high canon as the films themselves, but canon nonetheless. Hence Coruscant, an invention of Timothy Zahn, found its way into the Star Wars prequel trilogy, whereas William Shatner's "The Return," about the Borg's resurrection of Kirk and the connections between V'Ger and the Borg and Kirk's sacrifice to destroy the Borg homeworld, is not recognized by Paramount as real Star Trek events. Where was I? Oh yes. With the prequel trilogy, you have the advantage of all the characters being really young with respect to their classic selves, or just not being around or important yet (save Palpy, which with makeup is no problem, and Yoda's a puppet). Now, decide to make a sequel trilogy, and everyone's suddenly 25 years older. Do we need to see what Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie, and Lando are up to, 25 years after the Battle of Endor? NO!!! Let the film franchise rest. It had a glorious run from 1977 to 1983, its current run is much dimmer but still not too shabby, please don't put any more nails into the great coffin that has begun to swallow Star Wars as we know it. There are some cases when too much of a good thing is bad, when making something longer only cheapens it. Imagine taking a masterpiece like the 1812 Overture or the Mona Lisa, and tacking some extra measures onto the end, or some extra brush strokes. You've just ruined it. Thus is with Star Wars. Don't cheapen it just because you want to see some more computer generated aliens and spaceships. Go play a Star Wars video game or read a comic book or novel by any of the dozens of EU writers and storylines available. But please don't make any more Star Wars movies. You can give me a great movie of the Civil War and I'll love it to pieces, but I really don't need to see a film about all of American History; the Civil War was great, and the time up to may have made for a promising prequel set, but the time after, the reconstruction, is not really film-worthy. So is it also with Star Wars. That's hogwash. All that contract really says is that IF there are Episodes VII, VIII, and IX, that he would be required to reprise the role of Chewbacca in them; that does not imply that they will simply create three films to satisfy the contractual requirements of what amounts to a supporting character. And don't you people remember Devlin and Emmerich's 1998 flop of a film "Godzilla"? Wasn't it reported then that Matthew Broderick was committed by contract to do two sequels? I rest my case.

eh....i'm going to see it tonight hope it's as good as yinz say it is

Grr. The lack of Eowyn and Faramir's romance, and Denethor's palantir, pains me greatly. Methinks, however, that what started out as a great idea may have turned into a crutch: the Extended Edition. With TFOTR, the cinematic version was spectacular, and left very little important information from the books out...once you get past Tom Bombadil and other parts that would've made getting from the Shire to Rivendell take two hours, then getting to Amon Hen seem like a breeze, when it's actually a much, much greater distance. The Extended Edition of that film merely put more icing on a very hefty slice of cake, it just made an already great movie that much greater with more character sequences, elaborations, prolouge, and Galadriel's gift, not to mention the Ash nazg durbatuluk part at the Council. However, with TTT, we got a cinematic version that left first-time-initiates to the story totally dazzled, but veterans of the books moderately to severely disturbed at how much of the second volume (third and fourth books) was changed, or totally ignored, or transformed from one brief mention to a blown-out sequence (Osgiliath, Theoden's exorcism, and warg riders). The Battle of the Hornbug was left totally without a proper conclusion, the Ents serve practically no purpose other than to bash Isengard (to what end remains to be seen), and Faramir's made into the same temptable man as his late brother (which, however, was explained to my great 95% satisfaction in the Extended Edition). BUT, with said Extended Edition of TTT, we see much that doesn't simply add character sequences to the film, it actually fills in some rather large holes.....we now see what happens to the remaining orcs at Helm's Deep. The Erkenbrand-turned-Eomer&Gandalf cavalry rescue doesn't clean them up, the Ents of Fangorn (Huorns, I take it) do...we see that Aragorn isn't the 30-something man he appears to be, he really is a Dunedain, and that means he's really old, 87 of the 210 or so he'll live to be. Yes, TTT EE does add the same veins of humor and fluff that TFOTR EE did....Saruman's storeroom in TTT as compared to Aragorn's song of Beren and Luthien in TFOTR, but what stands out is how it fixes a flawed movie and saves it. Based on my own early fears, which won't be tested one way or the other until FRIDAY when I see TROTK, and the word of Mr. Breathmask (btw, thanks for the idea of modifying the avatar for the season!), I believe that TROTK (yes, for some strange reason, I'm including the "The" in that abbreviation; if we have FOTR and ROTK, we have to have TT instead of TTT, and TT could be Tiny Tim, for cryin out loud)......is simply going to be another flawed version of a Tolkien book. PJ feels content to release a movie that wraps up about 75% of the story in the theatres, and he's saving the 110% version for the EE DVD a year from now. If this version is indeed "a 3.5 hour trailer for the EE," then that's just the way it is. Besides, I read an interview from Christopher Lee saying that he had a really huge scene for this movie that would only be in the Extended Edition; whether that's his expulsion from Isengard scene, or his end at Grima's hand scene, only those who have seen it and know what's missing can say. On the other hand, since those who haven't seen the EE of TTT have not yet met Denethor in Faramir's double flashback, that could explain the lack of his palantir as seen in this cut of the film. But the bottom line is, PJ is relying on the EE to cover his hide with the missing pieces of the puzzle. Those who haven't read the books will be completely fooled, and they'll be happy when the credits roll, but those who have will still be missing some important sequences. Furthermore, there's a whole audience who will never watch the EE versions of the film, because they'll gobble up the first VHS/DVD and not see the point for more. Grr. I ramble way too much about little fears like this, but it irks me. I CAN'T WAIT A YEAR FOR THE EE OF TROTK!!! ~ And yet, I shouldn't complain. At least PJ is giving us a quality work, unlike another director who is trying to give us a different trilogy, and finding that the shoes he created 20 years ago are way too big for him to even attempt to fill now. PJ's to do list: 2003, TROTK 2004,5?, King Kong and TROTK EE 2006-7?....The Hobbit?? :cool:

I voted for Eowyn, because I find her slightly more attractive than Arwen, but my pick would go to Rosie the hobbit, the cutest female yet shown in the films. Galadriel's too scary for my taste.

I cannot and do not agree with you totally, although there are sequences where the music is inappropriate, and a lot of music is recycled way too much. But to paraphrase, when so many changes keep being made that violate the book's driving plot motives, and even the director says he hates magic in movies and seems to be soley guided by action action action.... "God, how I'm beginning to wish those movies were directed and written by someone else." LOL I know this quote and topic is totally inappropriate for a Shore vs Williams thread, but to drag Melange's quote over to the other thread and quote it there would be confusing. But I think that, if movies are around then, within a century, we'll see a different remake of TLOTR, with new music to satisify you people who think this stuff's too simplistic. Until then, I should listen to the radio dramas I have but don't listen to.

I like Zimmer. I love Gladiator and The Lion King. I like Williams. I love Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Jaws, Hook, ET, and Jurassic Park. I like Shore. I love The Lord of the Rings. I like Webber. I love The Phantom of the Opera and JCS (although I ABSOLUTELY HATE Cats). Anyone who writes, or composes, music is a composer. A simple defintion does not denote good or bad, that's why we have said adjectives. A dislike of something cannot detract from that object's existence AS that object! 'nuff said.

I don't know if this site was ever pointed to, or how well-known it is, but I found it handy the other day: The Encyclopedia of Arda http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/ It's still a work in progress as far as updating is concerned, but it attempts to be a complete encylopedia of Tolkien's world. Every character, race, event, location, with some maps, and just a lot of very interesting information about TLOTR, The Hobbit, The Silmarillion, and everything else and in between. It's helped clear up some cloudy issues in TS, and it was interesting to see that Six of the Seven Rings to the Dwarves and Nine to Men were given by Sauron. Tolkien really wrote such a complete and comprehensive history to his world, of which Middle-Earth is but one part of Arda, that The Lord of the Rings isn't mere fantasy fiction, it's history. It's a complete historical account of a world changing event; the fact that it's a made up history is beside the point. And this online encyclopedia has it all. The project I was working on pertains to a computer game, Sid Meier's Civilization III. I downloaded a forty-megabyte modpack from Apolyton's Civilization III message board site, http://www.apolyton.net/ (it's somewhere in there), and though it's good, it's basically a work in progress. And it comes with a blank ocean map, which means that each game has to generate its own random map. I wanted to play in Middle Earth, so I imported someone else's ME map and tweaked it a little, and put each civilization in its own accurate starting location, like the Sindar, Noldor, Beornings, Corsairs, Dorwinrim, Mordor, Hobbits, Dwarves, Dunedain, Rohirrim, Woses, Silvan, Haradrim, Easterlings, Dunlendings...I think that's all of them. I don't know if they technically want stuff like that edited, but it's for my own personal purposes as far as gaming is concerned. The technical tree needs tweaked, since Hobbits shouldn't be able to build railroads, and even having the Hobbits be so expansionist and warlike is WRONG, and the Barbarians should be a mix of men and orcs, not just men. But it is fun, even though it's REALLY crowded around the Gap of Rohan, with so many civs vying for Gondor and Mordor and the land to the sea. Just wanted to pass that along, and I suppose that I should stop now, since my posts occupy a lot of screen space. I tried playing the Civ2 scenario of The War of the Ring, but it was really hard; I just want to be able to build and play in a blank ME. If anyone does download that, let me know, and maybe I can send what I tweaked to you. And if you're the originator of the TLOTR mod, and want me to stop editing it or making it known, I can stop. No one's in this for money, just fun, and being as true to Tolkien's work as possible.

So now I can talk about TLOTR all I want here, and no one can complain. Cool. Well, diskobulus, you're one lucky stiff for seeing ROTK ahead of everyone else. My sister's in a concert on Wednesday, so I can't see it then, and if it's not Friday, it'll probably be NEXT weekend, after Christmas. Oh well, that'll give me time to finish The Silmarillion so I can tear back into the trilogy. I know that some people are uncomfortable about the word "trilogy" when talking about The Lord of the Rings, since it's not really a trilogy by design, but hey, anything that's cut into three parts can be defined as a trilogy. Back to the Future makes one coherent, complete movie, and no one barfs when it's called a trilogy, so we'll call TLOTR a trilogy. If ten hours were shown to you en masse in the theatre, I know your butt and bladder would be hoping that it's a trilogy, so you can get up and walk around, rather than be stuck in your chair for ten hours. Ahem. Diskobulus, I have a wish list, about what I want to see in this movie. And if my wish list isn't at least 75% satisified, this movie's really gonna tick me off. Because I really expect The Return of the King to disappoint. I don't know if I'll be crying tears of joy, or tears of bitter disappointment. It was only after watching the Extended Edition of The Two Towers that I felt that justice was served to that film, and even then it's got sketchy parts, like how the Ents finally go to war and, for crying out loud, OSGILIATH!! But at any rate, (and if you haven't read the books, don't read beyond; GO READ THE BOOK!) I'd make it white, but it's a quick reply, and I'm lazy.....eh, I made it white anyways PRE-SPOILERS: 1 Saruman and Pippin at Isengard, Pippin looking into the palantir....he HAS TO, because even though Frodo showed the Ring to a Nazgul at Osgiliath (tsk tsk tsk), Pippin has to look into the palantir to make Sauron think the Ring is at Isengard, and not on his doorstep, since he knows it's carried by a hobbit, from the words of Saruman and Gollum, but he doesn't know there are four hobbits on the playing field, not one, and thus not go looking for it until too late; if PJ skips this, he's dumb, and the story falls apart, and I'll leave right then and there.....and the final expulsion of Saruman and Grima; it's really not key to the story that Saruman in the movie be known as Saruman of Many Colors, but it would be nice to see him at least on the way to the Shire, even if the Scouring is not to be filmed, and just plain ignored, or skipped ahead over; finally, will we see you know who kill you know who 2 from the trailer, I know that Eowyn and Merry go to battle, but please tell me that it's they that do the killing of the big thing, and not, say, giving Arwen's character more stuff to do 3 in the EE of TTT, we see, first of all, Denethor, plus how he knows that Elrond has called a meeting, and he suspects the Ring has been found...did Elrond send runners, or are we going to see that Denethor does in fact also have a palantir, which is what's driving him mad? 4 let me just say this, the Ring is destroyed; you don't build up a three film, ten hour project, to destroy a tiny Ring, AND NOT DESTROY IT!!!...that's like touting Rocky II as the rematch, and having Rocky lose again...but right before it is cast into Sammrath Maur, will we see Sauron go frikking nuts? this was a part of the book that brought tears of joy to my eyes, when Frodo puts it on and Sauron realizes that the Ring is NOT at Isengard, but at Oroduin (Mt Doom), and Sauron realizes he's screwed.....it'd be nice, by then, to see Sauron in physical form, with one finger missing, as he should really be, instead of a flaming eyeball.....how scary. 5 do Eowyn and Faramir actually meet and fall in love, like they should? and how much help will Merry and Pippin be in their respective countries of Rohan and Gondor? or is this just another Bloom/Mortensen/Tyler/Wood movie? 6 maybe, if they haven't already, they'll mention the Kingdom of Arnor as well, instead of just assuming the throne of Gondor? I do cry in a lot of movies, both at happy and sad times. I'm not ashamed to admit it. I cried the first time I saw The Empire Strikes Back, a year after I saw The Phantom Menace, when Vader said I am your Father. It finally hit home, that little innocent wooden Jake Lloyd was this dark menacing Vader. I cry every time Spock dies, and Data, too. My eyes well up when Geordi la Forge and Ensign Ro Laren "come back to life" in TNG's "The Next Phase." I'd cry if you made me watch Harry Potter....I hope that Return of the King makes me cry, and for all the right reasons....I don't want to wait a bloody year for The Extended Edition to fix mistakes again. It's bad enough having to wait for the score's box set and companion book. K, I'm done.

I wrote something really shitty up above before, and I erased it, because it can only be interpreted to be aimed at one individual, and that would be mean. Even though I hardly know the guy, I'd like to consider Neil a friend, even though we only talk online sporadically, he likes the other Pennsylvania NFL team (the one that can't make early golf reservations), and he doesn't like Lord of the Rings....hehe.......no one's perfect. Eh, if we have to limit all our TLOTR talk to one or two "official" threads, then that's ok, I guess. It's not like we have to stop talking about it altogether. I mean, a John Williams MB ("emm bee") that can talk about John Williams AND ONLY John Williams (and his related stuff, of course) would be pretty dull and depressing....at the same token, a MB that talks about everything and anything on a whim loses direction and coherence, and thus loses a sense of community strength. Someone tried to make an MB that could talk about anything and everything, even the dreaded politics and religion, and, well, I haven't been there in months, and I don't think it's got any more posts now than it did then. If it's to be, it's to be. I mean, last year, all the Harry Potter posts were limited to one sticky, and this was good. I don't like Harry Potter, I can't stand it, I have no desire to read any of the books, or see any of the movies, or listen to any of the scores. I don't care if it's Williams; I don't make an effort to listen to or like every single Williams score simply for the sake of listening and liking every Williams score, thus explaining why I will never watch or listen to AI or any Harry Potter movie, and really don't want to sit throught Schindler's List; I'm a picky Williams listener, there's a lot of Horner, Goldsmith, and, ahem, SHORE, that I'd rather listen to before a lot of JW's. I don't care how well done Harry Potter is, I don't care how many great British actors are in it. I think it's a cheap knock-off of The Lord of the Rings, and it makes my stomach turn to think about Harry Potter. Hell, the name "Harry Potter" came from some Goblin movie back in 1986. Instead of JK Rowling suing some knockoff Russian book, she should be sued by that forgotten moviemaker. But this isn't a HP bashing thread, it's a TLOTR thread. I'm just relating my dislike of HP to the dislike of TLOTR by everyone who dislikes it. And if we can all get along, and have our stickies up above to keep everyone happy (I swear, back in the summer, it would've been convenient to have some Matrix or Hulk stickies; they're on my to watch list, the second and third Matrixes, they are, but I'm in no hurry; I feel like I've watched them from all the stuff I've read here ), then that's what this site is all about. So yay for Neil for conglomeratizing (is that a word? *shrug*) all the Tolkienophytes together to make everybody happy. yay Neil