King Mark 3,631 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 I dunno,like Jerry Goldsmith a few years back,Williams is cranking out scores like never before.And the result is like Goldsmith,2002 has been a disapointments,AOTC and Minority Report are mediocre at best,now we can expect a half baked Harry Potter 2 score and he's already writing something else.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Your opinion is unpopular anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 4, 2002 Author Share Posted September 4, 2002 Let people reply first.... K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsawruk 0 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Actually, he did crank out scores before:4 in 1997 (not counting SW Special Editions)5 in 19735 in 19664 in 1974and 4 in 2002Those were very good years.Me - who wonders if JW scores are like wine and have a vintage.By the way, the 4 in 2002 is accounted for because Spielberg did 2 films this year, so the more work he does, the more work Williams does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 4, 2002 Author Share Posted September 4, 2002 We don't know yet what the Harry Potter 2 c.d. will say.Music by whasiname,Themes by John Williams?K.M.Who can see another Jurassic Park 3 coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 4, 2002 Author Share Posted September 4, 2002 Actually, he did crank out scores before:4 in 1997 (not counting SW Special Editions)5 in 19735 in 19664 in 1974and 4 in 2002Those were very good years.!Not years that spawned masterpieces.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 If John were overworked, then he would have written the entire score to the Chamber of Secrets, so no I don't think he is overworked.Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 4, 2002 Author Share Posted September 4, 2002 If John were overworked, then he would have written the entire score to the Chamber of Secrets, so no I don't think he is overworked.JoeThat's just the point,if he didn't write the whole score to Chamber of Secret,he was most likely out of time thus has too many assingments at the same time.Personally I would have liked him to score HP2 entirely than do that Catch me if you Can thing,which only by the title I expect a boring score.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsawruk 0 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Not years that spawned masterpieces.I disagree. 1997 had some good scores, including Amistad, The Lost World, and Seven Years in Tibet (which is excellent). As for 2002, I personally enjoyed the SW Score, even if it was butchered on the CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 4, 2002 Author Share Posted September 4, 2002 Not years that spawned masterpieces.I disagree. 1997 had some good scores, .I never said the scores Williams composed in 1997 were not good,they were just not too memorable.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 The Lost World not significant? I'll get Chrusher on to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,242 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 I disagree. 1997 had some good scores, including Amistad, The Lost World, and Seven Years in Tibet (which is excellent). As for 2002, I personally enjoyed the SW Score, even if it was butchered on the CD.What about Rosewood? That's a real masterpiece!Marian - who thinks that Rosewood is horribly underrated. Compilation of old TV Themes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 188 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Yes, Rosewood is a very good score (of course not for those who think good = bombast with full orchestra) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Marc's point was that 1997 was not a year of absolute masterpieces (yes, only in his opinion); I agree with him entirely. Having said that, I don't believe Williams has ever had a more successful year than 1997.As I've said before, he began this year auspiciously with "Call of the Champions" and the debut of a fine collection of cello works with Yo-Yo Ma, but he hasn't come through with his film works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Nonsense.No, that's today's FSM Daily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Marian - who thinks that Rosewood is horribly underrated. jump1 yipee beerchug That's the best thing I've heard all month -- OK, we're only four days into the month, but......"Rosewood" will unfortunately never get the appreciation it deserved. I actually fell in love with this score quicker than I did for "Amistad," which I still enjoy.Jeff -- who is out to convert all the "Rosewood" haters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 That's the best thing I've heard all month Well, in only four days.....I also like Rosewood. It went unnoticed in the GREAT year of Amistad, Lost World, Star Wars re-release and Seven Years in Tibet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 4, 2002 Author Share Posted September 4, 2002 The Star wars Re-Release were the only GREAT things in 1997,unless you really like gospell and love Rosewood.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 The Star wars Re-Release were the only GREAT things in 1997,unless you really like gospell and love Rosewood.K.M.BLASPHEMER!!!!!!!Amistad MASTERPIECE (it's in my top 10)Seven Years in Tibet MASTERPIECE (in my top 20)The Lost World MASTERPIECE (even better than the first one, in my top 15)Rosewood (really good, in my top 40.....)And no, I don't like gospel. But Rosewood is not only gospel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsawruk 0 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 I haven't heard Rosewood, but I will take your word that it is good. As for the others, Seven Years is my favorite 1997 piece.Me - who is arranging Seven Years for solo Viola and orchestra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Me - who is arranging Seven Years for solo Viola and orchestra I arranged it for piano, but only the half of the main theme, 'cause I began to bore.....Yours has to be fantastic. Good luck.And Rosewood...well, it's not a perfect score, and sometimes you fed up with those chorus (oh, glory, oh, glory, allelujah.......), but I like it, the only instrumental parts above all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,242 Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 The gospel songs in Rosewood are great, but there's much more. I particularly love the amazing guitar writing.Marian - who thinks Rosewood and Lost World are Williams' best '97 scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 2002 is the year of the "mature" John Williams, the post-modern John Williams. Listen to Call of the Champions, and you'll understand.Attack of the Clones is an amazing score but it's 1) a failure on screen because of Lucas and 2) it's a failure on CD because there's probably so much expandable material left.Minority Report is full of leitmotiv, and full of strings. I can see how people can dislike it, but it's really a different score.It's all about "getting" his new style, I guess. It took me a while also, but it clicked when I pseudo-analysed the Harry Potter action cues. His structure all makes sense now, but it's really 10x times more complicated then before. I wonder just how he's able to do all that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Guitar....eh.....Please, help me. I want to do a poll with the best pieces with guitar. I have two:Trio-The Meeting from Jane EyreThe Days Between from StepmomAnd, as you have said:Trouble in Town (for example) from RosewoodPlease, only write the titles, don't make any commentary, you will do it in my poll.Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Guitar? Well there's Zam the Assassin and The Chase through Coruscant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Well, I wasn't referring to electric guitar.But if you want I will include it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector J. Guzman 1 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Williams is doing okay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 The Star wars Re-Release were the only GREAT things in 1997,unless you really like gospell and love Rosewood.K.M.OK, now I have to disagree with you...the only thing that wasn't "GREAT" about '97 was his song cycle, "Seven for Luck." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 For me, 1995-1999 represents Williams at the zenith of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,276 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Seven Years in Tibet is oen of the finest scores JW has ever writen, IMHO. It's, for me, one of the top 5 scores of the 90's.AOTC and MR are both fantastic scores. And Across the Sean's theme are fantastic themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 It's all about "getting" his new style, I guess. !!!I knew it! I'm dumb! bangheadHis structure all makes sense now, but it's really 10x times more complicated then before. I wonder just how he's able to do all that!!!So how come I find it 10 times more simple (and in some cases, 10 times worse). I wonder just how he's able to do all that!!! Ricard - Who after almost 30 years of listening to John's music, thinks he knows how to appreciate his scores. But wait... perhaps he's wrong! I don't think so LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Marian - who thinks that Rosewood is horribly underrated. jump1 yipee beerchug That's the best thing I've heard all month -- OK, we're only four days into the month, but......"Rosewood" will unfortunately never get the appreciation it deserved. I actually fell in love with this score quicker than I did for "Amistad," which I still enjoy.Jeff -- who is out to convert all the "Rosewood" hatersRosewood is Williams worst score in 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 The Star wars Re-Release were the only GREAT things in 1997,unless you really like gospell and love Rosewood.K.M.OK, now I have to disagree with you...the only thing that wasn't "GREAT" about '97 was his song cycle, "Seven for Luck."You are mad. That is a good song cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Marian - who thinks that Rosewood is horribly underrated. jump1 yipee beerchug That's the best thing I've heard all month -- OK, we're only four days into the month, but......"Rosewood" will unfortunately never get the appreciation it deserved. I actually fell in love with this score quicker than I did for "Amistad," which I still enjoy.Jeff -- who is out to convert all the "Rosewood" hatersRosewood is Williams worst score in 20 years.No, but Minority Report and Attack of the Clones are Williams's worst since Always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 I like Always too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Marian - who thinks that Rosewood is horribly underrated. jump1 yipee beerchug That's the best thing I've heard all month -- OK, we're only four days into the month, but......"Rosewood" will unfortunately never get the appreciation it deserved. I actually fell in love with this score quicker than I did for "Amistad," which I still enjoy.Jeff -- who is out to convert all the "Rosewood" hatersRosewood is Williams worst score in 20 years.No, but Minority Report and Attack of the Clones are Williams's worst since Always.ALWAYS: The best use of piano in a Williams score.ALWAYS: The best subdued Williams music.ALWAYS: The most underrated Williams work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 ALWAYS: The best use of piano in a Williams score.ALWAYS: The best subdued Williams music.ALWAYS: The most underrated Williams work. i thought i was the only one who felt that way actually, i don't agree with the best use of piano. i think Presumed Innocent has the best use of piano in a Williams score and is also one of his best subdued and most underrated works. along with Always of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 i also think Minority Report is a great score, despite the repeated string motif from Lost World in AGE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 i also think Minority Report is a great score, despite the repeated string motif from Lost World in AGEI haven't listened to it yet. I will see the film next month, and I don't want to listen anything of the score. Well, I downloaded the main theme (great), and I feel I will like the entire soundtrack.So next month I will buy the score. Then I will give my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Don't edit your posts, please, Tpigeon.Presumed Innocent: I like it. But I think there the piano is the main instrument, in Always is only an accompaniment. So each one is the best in their functions.Many people say that PI is very repetitive. But I enjoy it very much. Everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 good point. and i try not to edit my posts that much. i just didn't think of that until after i posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 the point is, i really love Always. people around here trash it a lot so i was enthused to see someone who moreorless shares my feelings on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Oh, yes, I agree with you.And I have noticed that I agree with you in many topics. Also happy. Always is, simply, superb.It's easy to deny it. But it's difficult to say how good it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 So how come I find it 10 times more simple (and in some cases, 10 times worse). I wonder just how he's able to do all that!!! Ricard - Who after almost 30 years of listening to John's music, thinks he knows how to appreciate his scores. But wait... perhaps he's wrong! I don't think so LOL Ricard and Figo seem to be merging into the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 I dunno...Figo's posts tend to be wordier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Overworking?? Hes put out just 2 scores so far this year. Not 5. Thats not that much!Besides with HP he is really only doing 2 1/2. However, he is aldo going to be working on that "Catch Me If You Can" flik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 KM, I also wish he did the whole of Harry Potter 2 and left Catch me if you Can.... Oh wellHowever, I like some of AOTC. I think the chase through corruscant is fantastic and not simple witing at all... where does anyone get off saying that is simple. The rhythms alone and the use of percussion are fantastic.Oh, and I love Always!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 The chase music is awful IMO. Stupid drum beat mixed with electric guitar?? That sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsawruk 0 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 The chase music is awful IMO. Stupid drum beat mixed with electric guitar?? That sucks!I can understand you not liking the electric guitar, but that drum beat that you refer to is far from stupid. It is characteristic of Williams' rhythmic writing AND it reminds me of Drumming by Reich. And what about the rest of the orchestra? You make it sound like the score was done by a rock band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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