Bofur01 245 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 As a super-tenuous link, the choir is singing about Nenya in that section... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 It's all connected! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 The eastern similarity applies to the whole pieces, I think this particular part is more than just that. The shape of the melody is exactly the same as the Mordor theme.Sorry SUH. That simply isn't true. You are over-interpreting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 SUH likes to do that, for some reason. That's his thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 A SUH should know better! It riles up the sensitive and disrupts peaceful thematic harmony concordance we have in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 We are lost, lost,' said the LotR music fans. 'No themes, no clear connections, no Precious, nothing. Only empty. Only hungry; yes, we are hungry for clarity. A few little clear themes, not nasty similar sounding little motifs, for a poor creature, and they say death. So wise they are; so just, so very just. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Gnome in Plaid and Incanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 - "It cannot be seen, cannot be felt, Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt, It lies behind stars and under hills, And empty holes it fills, It comes first and follows after, Ends life, kills laughter."- "It's a theme from The Hobbit!"I bet Doug's book will be called Riddles in the Dark - The Music of the Hobbit Films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 What is truth exactly though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 My my aren't we philosophical today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 It's absolutely the same musical gesture. Whether or not it was intentional or should be given any thematic significance is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I don't think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 No he doesn't mention it because it is entirely unintentional subtextually whether it is the same phrase or not.So you are still over-interpreting its meaning SUH. It is a similar situation to when back in the day people thought the chords that play for Merry and Pippin's timely interference at Parth Galen battle was scored by Nature's Reclamation but Doug debunked that theory. Similar but not the same and certainly not the composer's intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 it is entirely unintentional subtextually How do you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 It's Inky. He knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 it is entirely unintentional subtextually How do you know that?Well if you go by Doug's book and the scene itself there is nothing to suggest Mordor in any way. Of course you can start making really far fetched theories based on the observation that the phrase is similar to Mordor theme but when there is absolutely nothing to support it in the film dramatically, it seems somewhat unlikely.But then again it is art. You can certainly interpret it any way you like. It's Inky. He knows.And yes of course. I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 You know this? How? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I have seen it!And I stick to the "official" interpretation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 It is a similar situation to when back in the day people thought the chords that play for Merry and Pippin's timely interference at Parth Galen battle was scored by Nature's Reclamation but Doug debunked that theory. Similar but not the same and certainly not the composer's intention.Of course, because it was obviously A Hobbit's Understanding! And regarding Mordor/Lothlorien, its obviously a trick by the composer to make you wonder if the Lothlorien elves can be trusted! And to murk things up even more, is 3:50 of Doors of Durin, really the MORIA theme, or the end of DANGEROUS PASSES? (as in 1:39 and 3:27 of The Pass of Caradhras) and if it is DP, is 3:08 of Gandalf the White DP as well!?, IS 3:24 ALSO DP!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Likely has been answered before somewhere, but is 5:28 the Grey Havens, Gondor Reborn, or neither? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 I would think this is a normal musical gesture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 23 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: (Of course, one could ask: "Why would the Gondor Reborn theme show up in a scene with a Hobbit and a Dwarf hugging?", but everybody should know by now it's better to ignore the Hobbit entirely when it comes to thematic consistency). That should be called "A Shore Fan's Understanding". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 The friendship between Dwarf and Hobbit displayed there is like the first spark of the 4th age. Drying the kindling just enough for the flame to erupt later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 14 minutes ago, Stefancos said: The friendship between Dwarf and Hobbit displayed there is like the first spark of the 4th age. Drying the kindling just enough for the flame to erupt later! And it is implied that it is actually the friendship of Gimli and Legolas that brings about the Fourth Age of Gondor because without Legolas there would be no Gondor or Minas Tirith left. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 Verily! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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