Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 You could use a bit more butter there, Quint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I like my popcorn like I like my Goldsmith. Dry and rubbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Oh, you are that kind of guy....My apologies for intruding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Good job you didn't say salty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,206 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 This is fun... in some odd kind of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 4 stars, one of my favorite and earlier score purchases.... though I haven't seen the film in AGES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Lonzoe go back to whatever hole you crawled out of from please. Most of us here don't give a damn if you have been here a year, you're out of line.Edit: Yes this is Ricard's site.And take TheListener with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Maybe we should have some kind of JWFan "bouncer".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 We do, they're called Marc and Neil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Do they wear intimidating sunglasses and speak in an unaturally clipped accent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Do they wear intimidating sunglasses and speak in an unaturally clipped accent?I'm 100% intimidating.And to get this back on topic. The Batman album is very good, I just don't like the music as heard in the film.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Do you mean you don't like the film mixes, or you don't like the way it works in the film, or something entirely different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 A little bit of both actually. The film mix has never sounded good to me, and there is just too much music in that movie that it annoys after awhile. The album is entertaining though.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Danny Elfman mentioned in interviews, I believe, that the recording engineers (?) abused his score, such as allowing channels to suddenly disappear. Anyone who knows more than I do can elaborate or correct me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Danny Elfman mentioned in interviews, I believe, that the recording engineers (?) abused his score, such as allowing channels to suddenly disappear. Anyone who knows more than I do can elaborate or correct me.You're right. The recording engineers screwed up - Elfman claims purposefully - the recording of his score such that you lose whole sections of the orchestra and others all of a sudden come out of no where, which is really apparent on the soundtrack recording. Listen to the OMPS and then listen to the Cincinnati Pops recording of some of the Batman score and you'll hear what he means. The recording engineers for the OMPS butchered it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 A little bit of both actually. The film mix has never sounded good to me, and there is just too much music in that movie that it annoys after awhile. The album is entertaining though.NeilI suppose I could see where one might get there with all of the music, but I enjoy it all. If I could make only one change to the album, though, it would simply be to restore the existing cuts to their complete form. That statement of the Batman theme where he first confronts Jack on the catwalk is just awesome, and I'm rather disappointed that it was edited out of "First Confrontation." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinaismine 64 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Danny Elfman mentioned in interviews, I believe, that the recording engineers (?) abused his score, such as allowing channels to suddenly disappear. Anyone who knows more than I do can elaborate or correct me.You're right. The recording engineers screwed up - Elfman claims purposefully - the recording of his score such that you lose whole sections of the orchestra and others all of a sudden come out of no where, which is really apparent on the soundtrack recording. Listen to the OMPS and then listen to the Cincinnati Pops recording of some of the Batman score and you'll hear what he means. The recording engineers for the OMPS butchered it. Why would they do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I do not really like "The Bat Cave" except for the final seconds, which is why I gave the score a 4.5. On a similar subject, does anyone know why Danny Elfman's album releases are usually unbearably short. Is it because of re-use fees, or what?EDIT: Perhaps they were paid by Micah Rubenstein, chinaismine.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 You're right. The recording engineers screwed up - Elfman claims purposefully - the recording of his score such that you lose whole sections of the orchestra and others all of a sudden come out of no where, which is really apparent on the soundtrack recording. Listen to the OMPS and then listen to the Cincinnati Pops recording of some of the Batman score and you'll hear what he means. The recording engineers for the OMPS butchered it.Could you locate the exact source on that? I'd be interested in reading that.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 On a similar subject, does anyone know why Danny Elfman's album releases are usually unbearably short. Is it because of re-use fees, or what?How are they unbearably short? They're usually 1 hour long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Actually, many of them have running times of about 30-40 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Only like 2 are 30 minutes. Beetlejuice and Proof Of Life for me. Maybe about 3 are 40 minutes. The rest are a good 50 mins+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I do not really like "The Bat Cave" except for the final seconds, which is why I gave the score a 4.5. On a similar subject, does anyone know why Danny Elfman's album releases are usually unbearably short. Is it because of re-use fees, or what?I quite like "The Bat Cave"; it works wonderfully coming out of "Descent Into Mystery." I used to not like it as much except for the (indeed) cool ending, but when I started to really listen to it and see what it was doing, I enjoyed it more and more.As far as length goes, I would imagine that the tendency would be that his earlier albums would've been shorter as opposed to his recent albums, which, while not perfect, are generally in the vicinity of a healthy hour-long duration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Only like 2 are 30 minutes. Beetlejuice and Proof Of Life for me. Maybe about 3 are 40 minutes. The rest are a good 50 mins+Danny Elfman albums that I own in a 30-40 minute or so timespan (excluding "Bonus Tracks" like "With These Hands" in "Edward Scissorhands"):Dick TracyDolores ClaiborneSpider-ManSpider-Man 2Milk Big FishEdward ScissorhandsI am sure there are more, but I do not really have much of his work from the 1990's. I believe Danny Elfman's longest score release was "Sleepy Hollow", which is about 65 minutes or so. I have not checked in a while, though. However, I will say that short Danny Elfman albums tend to have better score representation than John Williams' short albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Edward Scissorhands is 50 minutes long, so is Spider-Man 2. Whatever I don't feel like arguing this. 40 minutes is plenty of music to enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 40 minutes is plenty of music to enjoy.That totally depends on the music and how much was left off of the release. Case in point: the Temple of Doom OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Well 40 minutes is plenty of music for me to enjoy. I'm happy with any and all OST's. There's no score I care about enough to want every single note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 There's a big difference between wanting every single note and wanting at least half the the music written for the film. With Concord's release of ToD, we got more than 65 minutes of unreleased music. And that's not even all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 There's a big difference between wanting every single note and wanting at least half the the music written for the film. With Concord's release of ToD, we got more than 65 minutes of unreleased music. And that's not even all of it.Well with me, a score release suffices. I would have been perfectly happy with re-issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 It's not about getting every single note as much as it is about getting your money's worth. If you're happy to buy multiple releases then that's your perogative, but I would rather have a single CD (or set) that contains the appropriate amount of music for how much is actually in the movie (if there's a lot of music, why only put 40 minutes into a CD). Going back to TOD, you have to remember that for a very long time that aggravatingly short OST was the only officially released music for the entire film. It wasn't until 2008 that it was expanded at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Well that's the thing, the Temple Of Doom OST was not aggravatingly short to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 There's a big difference between wanting every single note and wanting at least half the the music written for the film. With Concord's release of ToD, we got more than 65 minutes of unreleased music. And that's not even all of it.No we didn't. We got 46 minutes. And 40 more remain unreleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Well that's the thing, the Temple Of Doom OST was not aggravatingly short to me.Yeah, you're alone on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 It's just music. I enjoy it, I don't obsess over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 8700 posts at JWFan.com say otherwise.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Yeah so I basically have no life. Doesn't mean I obsess over music. I'm a little OCD, and for some reason am trying to own every JW score even though I don't care about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 It's not a knock against you. Just saying you don't obsess over music at a site devoted to a musician is a little absurd, that's all.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I suppose. But here it's not about JW, it's about the JWFans I got bored today and tried to participate over at the HZ Forum, but that place has very little dedicated members. You can't engage in discussion or debate. I wouldn't be here if there weren't people I could come back to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about Steef.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I suppose. But here it's not about JW, it's about the JWFans I got bored today and tried to participate over at the HZ Forum, but that place has very little dedicated members. You can't engage in discussion or debate. I wouldn't be here if there weren't people I could come back to.Well, we're honored by your presence, Kora. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I like Steef, he's funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I like Steef, he's funny.Yeah, I like Stef, too.That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about Steef.Oh, I wouldn't go that far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 AlanI see you used purple crayon..... 50 to 60 minutes is fine by me as far as CD lengths go. However if you give me everything I won't complain and there are some scores that deserve to have all the music available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,206 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 In my opinion, one of Batman's problems is that there's too much music in the score, not just on the CD. It just seems too much of the same bombast to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 50 to 60 minutes is fine by me as far as CD lengths go. However if you give me everything I won't complain and there are some scores that deserve to have all the music available.Yeah this better describes how I feel. If a score gets a short release though, I'm not gonna complain. I'll just enjoy what's there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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