Jay 37,373 Posted March 23, 2011 Author Share Posted March 23, 2011 Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Wait Luke is right , the Imperial March AotC insert is clearly based on the RotJ unused Emperor Arrives cue. Williams probably recycled it.In the AotC unused section I hear references to the Across the Stars "dark section" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 No...that's not true...that's impossible!No, but seriously, that's not true. They're both minor-key trumpet fanfares written by John Williams, but the similarity pretty much stops there. Now, I admit that the way the ends of the fanfares lead back into the Imperial March are somewhat similar, as are those statements of the Imperial March, but these are far from identical. And that similarity is completely absent in the original version of the cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Yes yes, but is Augies Band based on The Emperors Theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 i'm not saying it was note by note...probably lucas got the ROTJ cue to williams and said 'i want something similar to this rendition for the finale'.you even say the fanfare in the original finale is no similar at all, so williams changed it to fit more the imperial march...BTW we will never know, but this score is full of small hints that seem coindicentical but maybe they are more intentional and thought about that we credit them for.- Arrival at Kamino music -> departure of boba fett- Imperial march finale -> the emperor arrives- The arena -> reworked (con)federation march- Tyrannus reports to sidious (sith plotting motif)-> Sidious instructs anakin (ROTS) / the dark forces plot? (TPM - this one is a guess, i cant translate the fanfare into the moody theme...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Yes yes, but is Augies Band based on The Emperors Theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Yes, it's a version of the Emperor's Theme in major, but what does that have to do with the AOTC finale?I hear the similarity between the second half of the Imperial March insert and the unused Emperor Arrives segment too. It's more in the way the percussion plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Yes yes, but is Augies Band based on The Emperors Theme? we will never know either but the resemblance and appropiateness is stunning ,really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 in what track is the film version Emperor Arrives? I always forget where to look for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 23, 2011 Author Share Posted March 23, 2011 http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 EDIT: Nvm, misread "film version". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 23, 2011 Author Share Posted March 23, 2011 in what track is the film version Emperor Arrives? I always forget where to look for it08 - The Emperor Arrives - The Death Of Yoda - Obi-Wan's Revelation of the RCA/Victor release.He's asking about the other version, which begins Disc 2, track 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 No I mean the military sounding film version intro leading to the Imperial MarchOk found they stuck it at the beginning of "The Lightsaber" (0.00-0.21)The Lightsaber is an edit job for the SE right? There's no way Williams would use that buildup into that slow version of the Imperial March found in that cue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 23, 2011 Author Share Posted March 23, 2011 No I mean the military sounding film version intro leading to the Imperial MarchOk found they stuck it at the beginning of "The Lightsaber" (0.00-0.21)That's what I said in the post immediately above yours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 ah, ok I must have reading problems today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 23, 2011 Author Share Posted March 23, 2011 The Lightsaber is an edit job for the SE right? There's no way Williams would use that buildup into that slow version of the Imperial March found in that cue0:00-0:21 = first insert for The Emperor Arrives0:21--0:46 = second inserts for The Emperor Arrives0:46-1:43 = The Lightsaber1:43-end = The Ewok Battle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Yes yes, but is Augies Band based on The Emperors Theme? I had never realized that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deleted account 108 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Any info where this comes from? Did someone get a hold of AOTC sketches or something? In lieu of some evidence, I say this is a fake, imagined by someone who considers himself to be a Williams fan and composer extrapolating a cue out of the elements that made it into the finished cue and the Across The Stars music video - even taking into account the synth-mockup of it, it just doesn't seem to flow in any logical, musical John Williams-y way to my ear. Of course, I could be wrong, and apologies if I am, but that's my two cents. And JW doesn't do synth mockups himself - the live recording session is the first time the director hears the music in it's orchestrated form.Fake or not, it IS an interesting piece, tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 Wow. You disappear for 4 years and this is how you return? Nice.Trust me, it's 100% real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 The sketches leaked as I understand itThe actual orchestral version would probably flow better but it sounds like Williams chords in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Jason, would you be able to provide a MIDI? I want to try and make it sound more orchestra-like in EWQL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted March 30, 2011 Share Posted March 30, 2011 Yes, I suspect a 100% that it is real and if you think a little (IMHO), you'll know who made that mock-up but there is one wrong trumpet note.. well it must be wrong, it doesn't fit into the minor scale - it is all the sudden major - sounds very oddThe trumpetfigure that steps in at 0:09 is clearly Bmin, because you hear "d" of the minor chord B d F#,,, and suddenly at 0:13 there is a "D#" but after that it is in B-minor again?!- this is a very unlogical choice by Williams and can't be right.so I suspect it is a wrong note in the actual sketch/or full score - don't think it was transcribed wrongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme 0 Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Who made this synthesized version? And how did they get a hold of the music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 this is confusing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted April 15, 2011 Author Share Posted April 15, 2011 Two Padmes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme 0 Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I'm a secretive Padme, hence join date and post count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Another Belgian?There once was a day when the Dutch were King here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme 0 Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Actually I'm a Scot, married to a Belgian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Hmmm....Scottish women....Belgium is the pits, better take your husband to Scotland! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme 0 Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Thankfully I look like neither of them as my profile pic shows. Though Susan Boyle lives not far from here........ Not my cup of tea frankly..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 well, we have only 2 females on the MB, and both are Padme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme 0 Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Only 2 women? Jeez, wtf..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Don't Ren and Danielle count by default? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 yeah. most women don't stick around for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme 0 Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Well I've been here since 2005 in theory, just my presence is scarce, I'm afraid..... *hangs head in shame* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 now back to the Finale cue in questionJason did you ever respond to ggctuk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Well I've been here since 2005 in theory, just my presence is scarce, I'm afraid..... *hangs head in shame*wow, then your actually "the first Padme" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme 0 Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Yes but the other Padme has more mileage, so hats off to her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,359 Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Well it explains why the other one is MISSpadme (my theory is that just the name "Padme" was taken) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Susan Boyle lives not far from here........ Not my cup of tea frankly.....Ay but she's a timorous beastie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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