#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 At times Williams compositional complexity actually does very little for me (WOTW, Minority Report, Saving Private Ryan).Tintin is an exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 I like WotW because it's scary and unsettling.I haven't heard much of Minority Report or Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Oh it's very effective. It's compositionally brilliant. But it does not move me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 It does not move me either. I can't go through the whole score at once, I have to listen to it in parts. The most human parts are basically depressing, and the rest is evil and twisted and cold.Does John Williams kick John Williams' ass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Add Happy Feet and Horton Hears A Who.Koray. I've been meaning to ask you.WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?You are obviously not a fan of John Williams.Yep, definitely not a fan of John Williams.http://www.filmmusicmedia.com/reviews/warhorsebyjohnwilliamsreviewhttp://www.filmmusicmedia.com/reviews/1941byjohnwilliamsreview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Omaha Beach is Incredibly moving, and a truly wonderful piece of music. It's pretty much buried in the film though, which I don't take issue with That one track, just on a musical level, is one of the best things he's done in the last 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro 26 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Add Happy Feet and Horton Hears A Who.Koray. I've been meaning to ask you.WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?You are obviously not a fan of John Williams.Koray is definitely a Williams fan ... But he's also a fan of many types of film music. Both an asset and a flaw hahaI know when Wlliams is bored because he will write a few tracks of awesome, well-focused music and then do his usual for the rest. Like Lost World, Patriot, and Skull (i love the concert pieces, heard The chicks theme live, wonderful). Those scores have wonderful pieces, surrounded by boredom--even though Williams doesnt wach movies, he knows a turd when he sees one. Even some turds he can crank out great music by remembering the source material as inspiration (memoirs, angela). Tintin is not like that at all. Williams had passion in every cue. Just look at the first 5 seconds of Falcon! Tintin will stand the test of time. Not Dragon. Giacchino's movie scores are usually heavily influenced by existing material. Goldsmith and Williams, especially. But hey that's fine. I loved Monte Carlo! Reminded me of a 60's Johnny comedy score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Lost World doesn't sound like boredom to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro 26 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Haha. You know, even Spielberg was bored. He just needed fast cash for his Dreamworks investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 798 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Tintin will stand the test of time. Not Dragon. The truth is none of them will stand the test of time. They're both good, but play any theme from either of these scores in a few years to an average world citizen and he will look at you with empty eyes.I think Empire Magazine said something similar about Williams' score for HP back in 2001. Hope you're not sharing the same level of clairvoyance of their editorial staff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 798 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Tintin will stand the test of time. Not Dragon. The truth is none of them will stand the test of time. They're both good, but play any theme from either of these scores in a few years to an average world citizen and he will look at you with empty eyes.I think Empire Magazine said something similar about Williams' score for HP back in 2001. Hope you're not sharing the same level of clairvoyance of their editorial staff...Come on, you know as well as I do that Tintin's theme is not as iconic as He's a Pirate. Just wait for the sequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Is the "test of time" how long the general public remembers a score? For me, it's whether the score can continue to keep my interest after I become very familiar with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 400 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Come on, you know as well as I do that Tintin's theme is not as iconic as He's a Pirate. dude the movie just came out, it didn't have the time to grow on people yet. also, the score isn't saturated with tintin's theme either. it's actually used pretty sparingly in the score. but yea, wait for the sequels, i guarantee people will start to notice then, if not already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 If JW even does the sequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 798 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 If JW even does the sequels.No, if the theme is incorporated in the sequel scores, despite who scores them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I just don't see JW scoring the sequels, even though I woudl like him to.The main thing I would like JW to score is Interstellar and the film is far away. The film might come just like Lincoln did, but what will be of JW by then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 A drooling mess with a grey face and a tube up his nose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Ugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 How does the Maestro's foray into animated film scoring compare with Powell's highly regarded effort from a year ago?alan, you know there isn't any real comparison, I mean really Powell isn't worthy of a quicky celebrity deathmatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,384 Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Tintin will stand the test of time. Not Dragon. The truth is none of them will stand the test of time. They're both good, but play any theme from either of these scores in a few years to an average world citizen and he will look at you with empty eyes.Then how do you explain the 15,953 views, 123 likes, and 57 comments on my HTTYD suite video?I avoid many times listening to the above scores in fear that their sheer power might run out, which has happened to me before, but doesn't happen to me with something like Tintin.Well half of nothing is nothing right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Half of nothing?Of nothing?I'm not even going to answer to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,384 Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Half of nothing?Of nothing?I'm not even going to answer to that.Are trying to say my comment is ridiculous in the realism sense, or that the Tintin DOES have power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Wow! Over 6 million views. Masterpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,384 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 But that is mainstream, not film scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 yes Tintin will stand the test of time. not because it's the best Williams score ever, but because it's JW and JW will be remembered long after John PowellWhere's the John Powell message board with an active community like here? And 237 pages of thread archives.I'm sure those that voted for Powell are the usual suspects, Koray, Bloodboal....fans of other composers that come here to push how great their video game music is and that RCP is sometimes equal or superior to JW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,384 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Where's the John Powell message board with an active community like here? And 237 pages of thread archives.Give it a few years... it took 30+ to get here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Even Horner, Barry and Goldsmith don't have specific message boards as popular as this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,384 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 thats because Horner Barry and Goldsmith got all the leftover movies from Williams (a.k.a films he didnt score) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 They are still the "big four" from the 70's, 80's and 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,384 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Who are the big four now then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 They're all mediocre at best.Giacchino is probably one of the better ones .Maybe Desplat but he always sounds the sameTo me Powell is "slightly above" standard RCP in that the uses more orchestra and his music is somewhat better composed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,384 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I prefer Powell's film work to Giacchino film work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I'm not the biggest Star Trek score fan but it's way better than HTTYDAnd Let Me in and Super 8 is giving me a lot of hope for Giacchinoit's the Pixar stuff I can't get into Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,384 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Pixar Giacchino (excluding Cars 2) is the only Giacchino I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Even Horner, Barry and Goldsmith don't have specific message boards as popular as this oneGoldsmith got FSM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Well , sort of but he's less exclusively defended there now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Wait - I thought this was a parody thread, no?Are people really comparing Powell to Williams?Jesus Christ. please don't tell me manipulating one of the themes in sombre tones for one cue accounts for that.(emotion)After seeing the movie, I think that's a fair point. It's not an emotional story.But don't you think it's fair to argue that Williams may well be laying down the groundwork for future adventures and the burgeoning friendship and loyalty between Tintin and Haddock? I think his manipulation of a certain character's theme in Unicorn may yet develop into something more substantial in the further adventures. Speculation of course, but let's try to be a little less short-sighted on this. What i'm against is to heap a score as TINTIN on pedestals it doesn't deserve. It's not THAT good only because it's JW and has more elaborate woodwind lines.Well, it's subjective init. It's neither here nor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 it started off as a parody thread but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 But don't you think it's fair to argue that Williams may well be laying down the groundwork for future adventures and the burgeoning friendship and loyalty between Tintin and Haddock? I think his manipulation of a certain character's theme in Unicorn may yet develop into something more substantial in the further adventures. Speculation of course, but let's try to be a little less short-sighted on this.Williams did no wrong, the film hasn't more to offer, emotionally. But to trash Powell for his superficiality and lacking ability to write 'deep' music, while patting Williams on the back for doing the obvious moves a film composer just has to do? It's like awarding my mailman a medal for delivering the bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacius 7 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I am so really sorry in advance for this but, *ahem*HAVE YOU LOST YOU F***ING MIND?????????????????????Powell has 10% of John's talent and 4% of his knowledgeHELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO????????????????????????????????Reality check PLEASE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Pub, I've got nothing against Powell. I'm only talking about John Williams and Tintin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I am so really sorry in advance for this but, *ahem*HAVE YOU LOST YOU F***ING MIND?????????????????????Powell has 10% of John's talent and 4% of his knowledgeHELOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO????????????????????????????????Reality check PLEASE!Thanks for setting my head straight. You know, it does indeed strange things sometimes...like developing its own opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 What salacius said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Pub, I've got nothing against Powell. I'm only talking about John Williams and Tintin.In this thread? It's all about pissing on Powell. As for TINTIN, i don't hear anything more than busy and fun Williams in it, certainly nothing in the way of themes that seems unresolved. I doubt that future sequels will dig deeper, so the music will reflect that. It's a bit like HOME ALONE without STAR OF BETHLEHEM or the syrupy christmas music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 I bloody love every single minute of it! Even the accordion parts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Why, of course. But i'm not less entertained when the shuffle mode lands on ICE AGE 3's END CREDITS or something from KUNG FU PANDA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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