Bespin 8,484 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Many corrections concerning the Labels and this new entry, as this is the original release of the Memoirs of a Geisha Suite :Collaborations and other appearances2009Yo-Yo Ma - 30 Years Outside The BoxIncludes previously unreleased material, such as the Memoirs of a Geisha Suite recorded live in 2008, with Yo-Yo Ma and The Chicago Symphony Orchestra conducted by John Williams; Sony, Compilation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_discography#Collaborations_and_other_appearances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 3 new singles :1960Theme from "Checkmate"ColumbiaPlays at 33 RPM.1960Theme from "Checkmate" –The Black KnightColumbia 1960The Black Knight –Augie's Great PianoColumbiahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_discography#Singles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Do we know what's up with the "Augie's great..." titles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Do we know what's up with the "Augie's great..." titles?I read that as "Augie's great tits". Sorry. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Well, redeem yourself and explain it to me! Who's Augie? What does it all mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Few singles added... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_discography#Singles "Amazing Stories" moved to "Collaborations and other appearances" Section : 2006 Amazing Stories - Anthology 1Various Artists Some tracks Composed & Conducted by John Williams; Intrada. 2006 Amazing Stories - Anthology 2 Various Artists Some tracks Composed & Conducted by John Williams; Intrada. 2007 Amazing Stories - Anthology 3 Various Artists Some tracks Composed & Conducted by John Williams; Intrada.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_discography#Collaborations_and_other_appearances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 "Amazing Stories" moved to Collaborations Section : Why? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Indeed, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Various Artists V-A-R-I-O-U... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I'm sorry but the reasoning behind that structure is odd to say the least... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I'm sorry but the reasoning behind that structure is odd to say the least...That's the way they organize discography on Wikipedia.Argue as you want, this way of structuring a discography is not so odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Yes, it is very odd, cause it's not a collaboration with other artists. It's is music taken from various episodes composed by different composers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I was just checking the discography again, and while I'm not sure if this has been pointed out before, Williams was not the pianist on the "Breakfast at Tiffany's" LP release. Williams did play of the film sessions, but those remain unreleased, as the LP program was a re-recording (correct me if I am wrong, Jimmy Rowles was the session pianist on that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 I was just checking the discography again, and while I'm not sure if this has been pointed out before, Williams was not the pianist on the "Breakfast at Tiffany's" LP release. Williams did play of the film sessions, but those remain unreleased, as the LP program was a re-recording (correct me if I am wrong, Jimmy Rowles was the session pianist on that).This website was my source for this entry.http://www.jwfan.com/?page_id=3928But effectively, all the web pages I found about the original LP talks about Jimmy Rowles for the piano part.Entry removed.Thanks Miguel.Yes, it is very odd, cause it's not a collaboration with other artists. It's is music taken from various episodes composed by different composers.If you are saying that it would be a good idea to compile these bits of music recorded by JW into one big compilation on which we would see "John Williams" in big letters on the cover, you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Yes, the entry on the main site is misleading.Hopefully, one of this days, it can link to a release of the actual soundtrack recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Yes, the entry on the main site is misleading.Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Yes, the entry on the main site is misleading.Fixed. You're the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I love the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 A new entry :Collaborations and other appearances2013Breakfast at Tiffany’s: Music from the Motion PictureHenry ManciniPiano: John Williams; Previously unreleased score; Intrada.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_discography#Collaborations_and_other_appearances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I love the internet It should be noted that this particular piece was only arranged and conducted by John Williams. The composed of that one was one P. Knauer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,550 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Regarding JW's singles output: there was a picture-disc single from "Superman II" issued in the U.K., in April, 1981, just ahead of the film's release, here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I love the internet It should be noted that this particular piece was only arranged and conducted by John Williams. The composed of that one was one P. Knauer.Note added in the disco, thanks.Regarding JW's singles output: there was a picture-disc single from "Superman II" issued in the U.K., in April, 1981, just ahead of the film's release, here.As the Main Theme on that one is not performed by Williams (at least I think), the single can't appear in his discography. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,550 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 As far as I am aware, very little of the music that JW composes is performed by him (!). It's still his music, but I see your point.Did JW conduct the Arista single "Theme From CE3K"? Since he didn't conduct "Heidi", why is that in his discography? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 As far as I am aware, very little of the music that JW composes is performed by him (!). It's still his music, but I see your point.Did JW conduct the Arista single "Theme From CE3K"? Since he didn't conduct "Heidi", why is that in his discography?Good point, for CE3K, this single is referring to the horrible disco tune? Can someone confirm John Williams' participation on that one?For the Quartet Records issue of Heidi, it's written on the cover "Composed and conducted by John Williams".Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,550 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 The original CD release says that JW didn't conduct "Heidi". Curiouser, and curisouser...I am referring to the disco tune, and it's not that horrible.. Perhaps Rick Chertoff can tell us who played on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 The original CD release says that JW didn't conduct "Heidi". Curiouser, and curisouser...I am referring to the disco tune, and it's not that horrible.. Perhaps Rick Chertoff can tell us who played on it.It's small, but it's written composed and conducted by John Williams.http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=823262Another version here : http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=684497 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Heidi was conducted by Williams. The older CD release is wrong.As for the Close Encounters single, I do recall reading -- not sure where, I'm affraid -- that Williams was involved somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I must confess, I hate the Singles section of a discography... A new bonus section (again, this is a discography, only discs appears in that section) : Soundtracks using John Williams' Themeshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_discography#Soundtracks_using_John_Williams.27_Themes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,550 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I that case, where's "Supergirl"?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I that case, where's "Supergirl"?!Ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 I that case, where's "Supergirl"?!Thanks, added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 You can add the following albums:"Airplane" by Elmer Bernstein (contains Theme from Jaws)http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/26560/"Ewoks: Caravan of Courage/The Battle for Endor" by Peter Bernstein (contains Parade of the Ewoks from Return of the Jedi)http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/28789/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 And also "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire," which is absent from the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 There are tons of films and tv series that have used Williams themes (who can forget "Superman" in SEINFELD, for example), but thankfully many aren't released on albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 You can add the following albums:"Airplane" by Elmer Bernstein (contains Theme from Jaws)http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/26560/"Ewoks: Caravan of Courage/The Battle for Endor" by Peter Bernstein (contains Parade of the Ewoks from Return of the Jedi)http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/28789/And also "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire," which is absent from the listThanks, Added.I am a little discouraged from noticing that it is the section which seems to arouse most interest, it is not so important for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Not that interesting to me either, but there are LOADS of examples, as I mentioned, so people will always come up with other ones.I see that you miss the recording of the recent "For the President's Own" by that marine band whose name escapes me at the moment.You also need to include WAGON TRAIN (within your definition, that probably belongs in the collaborations section). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I see that you miss the recording of the recent "For the President's Own" by that marine band whose name escapes me at the moment.You also need to include WAGON TRAIN (within your definition, that probably belongs in the collaborations section).For "Wagon Train", he's only composer. That's not a place I wanted to go originally in the disco, because this entry should instead be added to the "List of Compositions" page, but I don't post on this article for now.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_John_WilliamsBut, now that I've created a sub-section for "Soundtracks using JW's Themes", i guess I opened a door... But that's not my priority, if I start that, think of all the LPs and Singles I will have to dig... Pfff.... It represent a lot of work.Same thing for the other CD you talk about, every band and orchestra in the world (and usually not good ones) try to increase their CD sales by recording John Williams works. That's a list that will never come to and end, impossible to list all of them.The difference between the true disco of John Williams and his discography as a composer, is that the second will never be "finished".Nobody makes the discography of Mozart as a composer, do you know what I mean? We list his compositions instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Not that interesting to me either, but there are LOADS of examples, as I mentioned, so people will always come up with other ones.No there aren't. The page lists soundtrack releases using Williams' themes, not scores or movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 That "25% composed by Williams, 75% composed by Goldsmith (might be the other way around)" is one of the most hilarious credits ever.Karol Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I see that you miss the recording of the recent "For the President's Own" by that marine band whose name escapes me at the moment.You also need to include WAGON TRAIN (within your definition, that probably belongs in the collaborations section).For "Wagon Train", he's only composer. That's not a place I wanted to go originally in the disco, because this entry should instead be added to the "List of Compositions" page, but I don't post on this article for now.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_by_John_WilliamsYou ARE aware that there is an LP release of WAGON TRAIN, right (which includes three tracks by Williams)?I'm curious why you won't include the recording of "For the President's Own" when you do include the similar marine band recording of "Prelude and Fugue"?Not that interesting to me either, but there are LOADS of examples, as I mentioned, so people will always come up with other ones.No there aren't. The page lists soundtrack releases using Williams' themes, not scores or movies.Fair enough. That limits things quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I will maybe add Wagon Train to the discography as a composer, but i need to think how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 You can put it the same place as you put, say, M SQUAD. That was also a TV series soundtrack LP (since reissued on CD) with various composers that has 3 tracks by Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 You can put it the same place as you put, say, M SQUAD. That was also a TV series soundtrack LP (since reissued on CD) with various composers that has 3 tracks by Williams.Entries in the disco means that John williams conducts or perform on the record.If he is only composer, it should be moved to the "discography as composer" section.My entry said that on M SQUAD, JW conducts. Is it true?I Don't think he conducts on "Wagon Train", That's the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 No, Stanley Wilson conducts on WAGON TRAIN. I don't think I will ever properly understand your logic and categorization in this project of yours, as much as I try! But you can do with the info as you wish. If you find room for it in your system, that's great. I would think that a mention of the WAGON TRAIN LP would find a place in a John Williams discography somewhere.He may play piano on it, though, as he did on M SQUAD. The sleeve doesn't say. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 The goal is to separate the discography "as a performer" and the discography "as a composer", that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 I believe Williams did not conduct on the M-Squad sessions. Stanley Wilson was the head of music at revue and he conduct most of the times.I think Williams was the session pianist in some of those though. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,515 Posted December 4, 2013 Share Posted December 4, 2013 Yeah, he did a little bit of "double duty" on M SQUAD (pianist and composer). I'm sure he did that on several other tv shows too, including WAGON TRAIN. Although -- as Miguel points out -- conducting duties were usually handed to Wilson or someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 5, 2013 Share Posted December 5, 2013 Right, after verification M SQUAD is in the main disco because John Williams is on the piano.Music Composed & Arranged by Benny Carter, Pete Carpenter and John Williams; Music Conducted by Stanley Wilson; Piano: John Williams; Phantom Records (England).This week-end I will do a pass to add all the missing entries in the "Soundtracks conducted by others" section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 New entry in Collaborations and other appearances section :2013We'll Paint You a Rainbowhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_discography#Collaborations_and_other_appearancesNew entries in the Concert Works section :2009Escapades, concerto for alto saxophone & orchestra American Spectrum (Branford Marsalis and the North Carolina Symphony Orchestra conducted by Grant Llewellyn, Digital Release)2013Elegy for Cello and PianoWe'll Paint You a Rainbow (Angeli Ensemble conducted by Michael Nowak, featuring Lynn Harrell on cello)2013Three Pieces for Solo CelloComposing Without The Picture (Richard Harwood, Solo Cello)2013American Journey American Journeys (Kenneth W. Megan Jr./U.s. Coast Guard Band) 2013Escapades, concerto for alto saxophone & orchestra Intrinsic Versatility (Miles Osland, Clarinet; Miles Osland, Flute; Vince DiMartino, Flugelhorn; Vince DiMartino, Trumpet); Raleigh Dailey, Piano); Miles Osland, Saxophone)Escapades, concerto for alto saxophone & orchestra 2013Escapades, concerto for alto saxophone & orchestra Catch me If You Can (Amy Dickson, Saxophone) 2013Escapades, concerto for alto saxophone & orchestraEscapades (Jan Schulte-Bunert, Saxophone) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_discography#Concert_works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 New entries in the "Soundtracks conducted by others" section, including "Wagon Train".There maybe others, but I will need you help on that!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Williams_discography#Soundtracks_conducted_by_others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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