#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,282 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Fucking Kiwi!Bring back Enya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 In case people didn't know, Bilbo has about 3-5 themes So far, I've been able to identify two. I suppose the third one is only in A Very Respectable Hobbit, which I haven't listened to yet.I like to consider Bilbo's main theme as one long theme (first half is the familiar Shire side, the second half is the Took-ish side), but Doug looks at it as a two part theme. There is Bilbo's Antics which appears at 1:54 in "an Unexpected Party". Then there's Bilbo's Adventure which you first hear in "The World is Ahead" and then its robust statement in the bonus track "Erebor".That's 3 themes there (4 if you count Bilbo's main theme as 2 themes). The final one appears to be a small burglar motif Shore might have crafted for the character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 It's not the melody that's the problem. It's the treatment of the theme...way too popp-ish. And those AIYAYAYAYAs make me want to strangle someone.Yes, the eagles arriving is nature's reclamation, but after that, you hear the new theme for the eagles and the flight to the Carrock, which is, like I said, based on the Ben Del Maestro solo in Forth Eorlingas. And after that, there is the Ents attack on Isengard music.Really, I think if the score as heard on album wasn't tampered with so much in the film up to that point, I don't think people would have that much a problem with it.I don't hear it Georg. It's just another statement of the Nature theme, followed by pseudo-Gandalf the White, then Ents action music, exactly as it did in "Theoden Rides Forth". I can hear that the Carrock music is based off of Del Maestro's solo though.I see, I think I will have to do more sheet music That's actually one of Bilbo's main two part themes. The one you're specifying is his "Took-ish side".In case people didn't know, Bilbo has about 3-5 themes I mean during the bouncy part, when the strings play it two bars before the great Shire rendition plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,657 Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 which appears at 1:54 in "an Unexpected Journey". No such track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 ^^What he said.It's not the melody that's the problem. It's the treatment of the theme...way too popp-ish. And those AIYAYAYAYAs make me want to strangle someone.Yes, the eagles arriving is nature's reclamation, but after that, you hear the new theme for the eagles and the flight to the Carrock, which is, like I said, based on the Ben Del Maestro solo in Forth Eorlingas. And after that, there is the Ents attack on Isengard music.Really, I think if the score as heard on album wasn't tampered with so much in the film up to that point, I don't think people would have that much a problem with it.I don't hear it Georg. It's just another statement of the Nature theme, followed by pseudo-Gandalf the White, then Ents action music, exactly as it did in "Theoden Rides Forth". I can hear that the Carrock music is based off of Del Maestro's solo though.I see, I think I will have to do more sheet music Looking forward to it!That's actually one of Bilbo's main two part themes. The one you're specifying is his "Took-ish side".In case people didn't know, Bilbo has about 3-5 themes I mean during the bouncy part, when the strings play it two bars before the great Shire rendition plays.Bilbo's main theme - Tookish side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 382 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Liked the melody of Into the West of course but Annie Lennox's vocals were far too harsh for that track. Ultimately, it didn't do much for me. I happen to like Neil Finn's song far more, but I guess that's what being a big fan of Crowded House will do for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,282 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Lennox was harsh compared to Emiliana Torrini? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,741 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Somehow I have always felt that Shore was after Björk for Gollum's Song and then settled for the half-Icelanding Emiliana Torrini because he couldn't get her. I know there is no proof of this, but somehow Emiliana's singing style seems to evoke Björk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,988 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I had really hoped they would have gotten Loreena McKennitt for one off The Hobbit songs, but I have a feeling they are going to go with all guys for those. Which is a pity b/c Mckennitt would be perfect for it. At one point she was supposedly in negotiations for one of the LOTR songs, but that fell through.The Neil Finn song as presented on The Hobbit soundtrack is almost unlistenable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,657 Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 The Neil Finn song as presented on The Hobbit soundtrack is almost unlistenable.Yea, and its only SLIGHTLY more listenable in the film itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,282 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Somehow I have always felt that Shore was after Björk for Gollum's Song and then settled for the half-Icelanding Emiliana Torrini because he couldn't get her. I know there is no proof of this, but somehow Emiliana's singing style seems to evoke Björk.No proof? PJ asked her several times. She had no interest.The Neil Finn song as presented on The Hobbit soundtrack is almost unlistenable.Yea, and its only SLIGHTLY more listenable in the film itself.I just passes me by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,657 Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 Pretty much, yea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,282 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 What male singer would have made a better fit for The Hobbit?Both for the songs and choral stuff Shore has gone almost exclusively for female vocals or exquisite angelic boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,512 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Football player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nick1Ø66 4,988 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I don't necessarily have problem w/Finn or his vocal style...it's the arrangement as presented on the soundtrack, and to a lesser extent, the film, that I think kind of fails.Here's something interesting I found on the Loreena Mckennitt website:Q:I am very interested in the J. R. R. Tolkien masterpiece The Lord Of The Rings. Why didn’t Loreena cooperate with making the music for this film? Doesn't she like the books?A:Loreena is indeed a great fan of The Lord Of The Rings books. When the soundtracks for the three Peter Jackson films were being prepared, Loreena was flattered to be contacted and invited to have discussions about those soundtracks.However, as is often the case with such large-scale projects, there were a great number of artists asked to be involved, many logistic and creative arrangements to be satisfied, and – to make a long story short - the final arrangement of participating musicians did not feature Loreena. In many cases, it simply isn’t possible for everyone’s wish list – the people preparing the soundtrack, and the artists who have been contacted – to be big enough to include every avenue that has been explored.Loreena certainly admires Howard Shore’s work (he is the Oscar-winning composer who wrote the main soundtrack and oversaw many of the collaborations) and she hopes to have an opportunity to work with him in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,741 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Somehow I have always felt that Shore was after Björk for Gollum's Song and then settled for the half-Icelanding Emiliana Torrini because he couldn't get her. I know there is no proof of this, but somehow Emiliana's singing style seems to evoke Björk.No proof?PJ asked her several times. She had no interest.Ah I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,282 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I believe it was pretty common knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,988 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I believe it was pretty common knowledgeWell, when we're talking about film scores, "common knowledge" is a relative term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,282 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Sigh.... Sigh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,741 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I believe it was pretty common knowledgeWell, when we're talking about film scores, "common knowledge" is a relative term. Indeed. I have read a lot about the music of LotR but this tidbit has escaped me until this day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,657 Posted January 17, 2013 Author Share Posted January 17, 2013 I want proof! Links! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,282 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Sigh.... If anything IMDB has it as a trivia fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,988 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Well, it's in Björk's Wiki entry, that too all of five seconds to find (though interestingly the claim is unsourced). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Should get Bryn Terfel for one of the next films! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 We need Pavarotti's "Volare" for Smaug attacking Laketown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Il Gladiatore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Non Piangere, Bilbo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 216 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 The piano arrangements book will be released on February 9th - at much more reasonable price than downloading each piece individually!http://www.amazon.com/Hobbit----Unexpected-Journey-Piano/dp/073909159X/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1358516933&sr=1-3&keywords=the+hobbit+shore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 I've already ordered it from MusicTime - they say it'll be in stock in 8 days from now. It's only 15 dollars there. Joe Brausam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 The piano arrangement of the plan 9 piece would be nice, one of the better parts of the film's musical landscapes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,282 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Is there a thematic breakdown available here for the SE cd? I wanna start to discover all the themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,741 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I'll hope get something finished soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,282 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Nothing out there yet? Just something basic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,741 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Perhaps Jason will do something along those lines with his analysis.I am writing a longer piece but it is not finished yet I'm afraid. It does have listing of all the themes, old and new but no time stamps as I am doing a track-by-track analysis and will elaborate on the themes there. It will focus on the music as heard on the SE with some commentary on the music as heard in the film and on the few alternate versions found on the regular soundtrack album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,282 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Keep me informed of progress!Btw, there are no penguins in Finland! Not native ones anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,741 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Page 33 and counting. Still sneaking around trolls in Trollshaws.I think you are the second person to have noticed the penguin and polar bear joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,282 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I thought you were just misinformed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,741 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Nonsense master Cosman. I am not that befuddled yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,282 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Mushrooms have dulled your wits and yellowed your teeth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,741 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I'll find the most horrible insult in all the tongues of Elves, Men, Dwarves and even Orcs to pay back such rash talk, just you wait...It is right on the tip of my tongue....No wait it is a stick insect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,741 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Oh no Luke Skywalker (Manuel), our resident ornithologist, pointed this out much earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Is there a thematic breakdown available here for the SE cd? I wanna start to discover all the themes.http://music-muse.com/2012/12/28/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-journey-howard-shore/It has a thematic breakdown. I didn't expand on all the themes yet though, it is going through a revision process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,282 Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I'm just looking for a review that identifies the new themes and gives atleast one example of where they are. KK's review seems to do that.Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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