crocodile 8,017 Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 At this point I can't really justify paying for both - just too many expenses at once. Maybe there will be a London performance somewhere down the line. Karol Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 At this point I can't really justify paying for both - just too expenses at once. Maybe there will be a London performance somewhere down the line. KarolI can barely justify the €75 ticket for ROTK and I live in Ireland! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Well, it'll be worth it. Heard some good things about the orchestra. I wonder who is going to be the conductor on this one?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 They were very good last year anyway! It will be worth it I'm sure. Last year's conductor was a guy called Justin Freer. I have no clue who's doing it this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share Posted September 6, 2013 Some information on the sources used added to the links in the main post.And so it begins....The Two Towers Score Restored!Foundations of Stone with "Metanna!" from CR restoredElven Rope Original Version set to Road To Mordor text.Emyn Muil Original Version set to The Road To Mordor text.Elven Rope (Revised) - Shire Theme RestoredUgluk's Warriors with Namarie text restored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share Posted September 6, 2013 The Eaves of Fangorn Original Cut (Night Camp Second Ending)Night Camp (Original with Namarie text)Night Camp (Revised) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 6, 2013 Author Share Posted September 6, 2013 The Three Hunters OST version with Brassier Rohan Theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 7, 2013 Author Share Posted September 7, 2013 The Three Hunters Isengard Establishing ShotFangorn Unused Music Restored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Wow all these new videos! I have a lot to watch when I get back home tonight! Awesome Faleel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 7, 2013 Author Share Posted September 7, 2013 The Dead Marshes Sprechstimme Voices restoredWraiths! Wraiths on Wings! (this one was replaced by a hacked up version of the cue and tracked music from FOTR in the film) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 Gandalf the White Original VersionEdoras (Album Take)The Forests of Ithilien Unused Coney Scene Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Gandalf the White Original VersionDrop the EE footage (Gandalf's line 'I am Saruman, or Saruman as he should have been') and the whole thing syncs perfectly without the need for any editing. This six-minute section of the score is my favourite of the entire trilogy. I love the little moment as Gandalf realises who he is. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 Drop the EE footage (Gandalf's line 'I am Saruman, or Saruman as he should have been') and the whole thing syncs perfectly without the need for any editing. Editing of the music? (the gap between the choir bit and the timpani thumps) or editing of the footage?BTW, just an aside, I am thinking of making AC3 files, of the music that was dropped restored (no alternates unfortunately) and muxing them in with the DVD footage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Drop the EE footage (Gandalf's line 'I am Saruman, or Saruman as he should have been') and the whole thing syncs perfectly without the need for any editing. Editing of the music? (the gap between the choir bit and the timpani thumps) or editing of the footage?Editing of the music. There isn't a gap between the two 'pieces' of music - it's all one thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 BTW, do we have any of the footage of the longer cut where "Gandalf simply took a bit longer to say hello."? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 BTW, do we have any of the footage of the longer cut where "Gandalf simply took a bit longer to say hello."?No, but there is at least one 'interim' version of this music on a DVD menu somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 9, 2013 Author Share Posted September 9, 2013 The Forest of Ithilien Haradrim March Replaced Section RestoredOne of the Dunedain Evenstar Full Mix RestoredThe Wolves of Isengard Full Mix, Deleted Sections Restored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I have to say that even after all these years the restored musical sequences have been enlightening. I have never made an experiment of restoring the music to the movie myself and have gone by relying on my memory when imagining where unused music should approximately go but seeing all this music in its proper place has been a real treat. So thank you for your continued efforts Faleel. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Yes thank you Faleel. I haven't had time to watch any of the TTT ones yet but I hope to soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 The Forest of Ithilien Haradrim March Replaced Section RestoredSuch great scenery.Who else thinks that the Peter Jackson of the Hobbit trilogy would have had Frodo and Sam lay on a studio set, staring at a green screen, later filled with a CGI landscape?I don't understand how the art department had to be super detailed and careful because of the 48 fps on AUJ, and yet they went with studio sets most of the time, where the risk of looking fake is also high, instead of just scouting a location in their backyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Gandalf the White Original VersionDrop the EE footage (Gandalf's line 'I am Saruman, or Saruman as he should have been') and the whole thing syncs perfectly without the need for any editing. This six-minute section of the score is my favourite of the entire trilogy. I love the little moment as Gandalf realises who he is.Great stuff. It may be my favorite sequence as well; I love the aleatoric build up, and something about the harmonies from 1:42-2:00 has always struck me as extremely Middle-Earthy. One of those moments that make you realize Shore was absolutely perfect for these films.I think I prefer the final film version of Gandalf's revelation and Shadowfax's entrance, but it's wonderful to hear these other approaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 10, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted September 10, 2013 The Forest of Ithilien Haradrim March Replaced Section Restored Such great scenery.Who else thinks that the Peter Jackson of the Hobbit trilogy would have had Frodo and Sam lay on a studio set, staring at a green screen, later filled with a CGI landscape?I don't understand how the art department had to be super detailed and careful because of the 48 fps on AUJ, and yet they went with studio sets most of the time, where the risk of looking fake is also high, instead of just scouting a location in their backyard.I have to disagree there, plenty of locations were used in the film. There were few locations that needed to be real ones, for example Rivendell is green screen in TH and LOTR. Lord of the Rings used more composite locations whereas the Hobbit tended to showcase real locations (not multiple combined).Technically, NO locations NEED to be real ones if you look at the Hobbit. It's just a question of how does it make the film look? There are of course necessities to build sets in fantasy films like this, like Goblintown, or to create huge battlefields in the computer (Helm's Deep, Pelennor). But contrary to LotR, in the Hobbit, sets were used without any need to do so.As an example, why can't you shoot the final warg battle in a real forest, using digital extensions for the cliff edge? Why does the whole forest need to be built? Imagine the forest around Amon Hen for the finale in FotR being fake. Or why is there need to build a set for the dwarves' night camp?Remember to which remote locations the cast was flown to shoot the smallest scenes in LotR. Technically, there was no need whatsoever to fly the cast to a snowy mountain just to shoot the small scene between Boromir and Frodo. Shoot on fake snow, add a backdrop, place CGI figures on a shot flying over the mountain. Done. But that wasn't the mindset on LotR. It is however now on The Hobbit.I just can't imagine Edoras being built for freaking real today, with PJ's 2013 mindset.And real is real, there is no replacement for that, not ever, period. LotR, particulary FotR and TTT felt and looked terrific because it was a fantasy story in a real environment, opposite to the usual fantasy fare, who try to sell a real story in a fake fantasy environment, and that is unfortunately where the Hobbit was heading. Jay, Incanus and Smeltington 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 No, I don't understand the Out of the Frying Pan scene either. Sure, yes, you have a certain image in your mind how you want the scene to play out. But really, there are no special environmental requirements for that scene showcased in the movie at all. And it doesn't feel very moody as well, with the excessive colour grading. It's one thing to nudge the colour a little to the unreal side, it's another thing entirely to make it look like Yoshi's Island.The Black Rider scenes early in Fellowship were kind of creepy, imagine a treatment like that for OotFP. If you want to make a CGI character like Azog believable, it doesn't help throwing him into an artificial environment.By the way, I also think Fangorn Forest looked better than the one Radagast lives in.I mean, the budget for these films must have been gargantuan, they could have probably carved out a freaking mountain and built Goblintown and the studio would have gone along with it based on the perspective of having a cash cow the size of Star Wars x2 on their hands. Surely they could have done more location scouting, preparing and shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Sigh. It's depressing to think about what could have been. You guys are sooooo right about all this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I miss miniatures. And I wish they built Dale or Erebor sets in real locations, close to the mountains or something, kind of like thy did with Edoras and Mina's Tirith....those were awesome sets.You guys are spot on by the way. The lack of real locations and sets outside is what lends to artificial atmosphere of the film. The painstaking work that went into making LotR look as real as possible makes it look like a work of genuine passion by not just Jackson, but the whole crew. The Hobbit looks more like a bunch of big shots who can't bother to go out shoot the hard way and so decide to use their massive budgets to indulge on the computer to do all the work.This is why LotR will continue to age gracefully and still have sense of timelessness (with some shots being exceptions), while The Hobbit will look rather dated soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 11, 2013 Author Share Posted September 11, 2013 Ahem.Take it to the Hobbit thread please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Right, cause JWFan threads never veer off topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,368 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Hopefully this weekendDo you like the Pink Panther films? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Haven't seen any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Faleel, do you think "The Sword That Was Broken" on your Fellowship edit (same as the CR) is the intended version? I always thought the transition at 2:27 is a very obvious edit. Now that I heard "The Nazgul (Revised)", I'm not even sure if the lonely trombone/horn piece playing over Boromir finding Narsil isn't an edit of that same cue, tracked into the scene, when Shore intended complete silence until Arwen comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 Well, if it is tracked, than it is pitch shifted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Hmmm, I still think the transition is off though. The reverb is kind of cut off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 It could be that it would have come in earlier (in the film the two sections are seperated by silence) with a similar version of the music heard in the extended version of The Nazgul on my edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Odd.But then, it's not the only edit on the Fellowship CR that doesn't make complete sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 The only edit that makes sense, is the edit in Pass of Caradhras (it was made to fit the EE cut), but none of the inclusions of edits make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Well, shortening some long sustained notes, like in the prologue, makes some sense. Of course in a "Complete Recordings" release, no edit really makes full sense ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,350 Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 Watching ROTK, I noticed a lot of the Minas Tirith stuff had slight Diffusion similar to AUJ (though perhaps The Hobbit being shot digitally makes it look worse than ROTK) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 The 48 fps and digital recording certainly add to it. I'm fairly sure Fangorn would have looked the same with digital shooting techniques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Watching ROTK, I noticed a lot of the Minas Tirith stuff had slight Diffusion similar to AUJ (though perhaps The Hobbit being shot digitally makes it look worse than ROTK)Didn't really notice it though. I think Minas Tirith always looked great. Probably because it wasn't pure CGI and was shot using miniatures and real sets.I miss miniatures. And I wish they built Dale or Erebor sets in real locations, close to the mountains or something, kind of like thy did with Edoras and Mina's Tirith....those were awesome sets.You guys are spot on by the way. The lack of real locations and sets outside is what lends to artificial atmosphere of the film. The painstaking work that went into making LotR look as real as possible makes it look like a work of genuine passion by not just Jackson, but the whole crew. The Hobbit looks more like a bunch of big shots who can't bother to go out shoot the hard way and so decide to use their massive budgets to indulge on the computer to do all the work.This is why LotR will continue to age gracefully and still have sense of timelessness (with some shots being exceptions), while The Hobbit will look rather dated soon enough.They did build quite a large Dale set. I do miss miniatures though.Fangorn was a set just like Radagasts forest.I think more of the problem is with the grading of the real locations which make them look less real.That too.And Dale was a big set, but doesn't look as impressive as places like Helm's Deep, Edoras and Minas Tirith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 27, 2013 Author Share Posted September 27, 2013 Jumping ahead again:Arwen's Vision (Arwen's Song by Liv Tyler) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Recording (and using) that song was a mistake. It's such a detour into the world of new age pop music compared to the rest. Using it in RotK was probably a favour to Liv Tyler. Sounds out of place there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 It was a favour to Liv Tyler, she wasn't too happy that it didn't end up in TTT. And yes, it was pretty weird in RotK too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted September 27, 2013 Author Share Posted September 27, 2013 BTW as an aside, there is a bit of Arwen music that appears in all three films, it may not be a actual theme or anything, but.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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