Koray Savas 2,251 Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 60,000 euros? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I'm sure there'll be 20% off by the end of the year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Big screens for stupid prices. Its all a bit silly, isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Toshiba (I guess they are not dead yet) will release their OLED TV in September and they say it will be much cheaper than the competition. It's based on an LG panel (I guess LG only knows the secret of OLED) and it will not include HDR. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Will they be selling 1080p ones for people like me who don't fancy their blu-rays looking like upscaled DVDs on 4K screens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 DVDs look much better upscaled on a 1080p screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Blu-rays look like a digitally compressed video with artifacts galore when upscaled (or blown up) on a UHD screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I haven't heard that. I'd have thought I would have heard that, seeing as it would be a massive downside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Godzilla said: Will they be selling 1080p ones for people like me who don't fancy their blu-rays looking like upscaled DVDs on 4K screens? Nope. It's a 4K screen. Why do you think Blu-ray looks like DVD on a 4K screen? BTW, I corrected my previous post, the Toshiba will NOT have HDR. The point is, if someone does it cheaper, then the rest will follow. OLED will get cheaper. But is it any good? I still need to be convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,554 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Quintus said: DVDs look much better upscaled on a 1080p screen. Ah, yes, but how does it look on a Sony Trinitron? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Perfect since DVD was made for old tube TVs. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,554 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Good answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 3 hours ago, Alexcremers said: Why do you think Blu-ray looks like DVD on a 4K screen? Not like DVD per se, but the whole process of upscaling an image with a lower resolution to suit a screen with a significantly higher resolution tends to have dubious results. 1080p content looks better on a screen that's 1:1 in resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Obviously native is best, but you're splitting hairs like an awkward fucker. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Sigh they just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Blu-ray and HD content look awesome on my Sony Trintron, especially 4:3 TV shows, since you're watching it on a screen that's the proper aspect ratio. The only issue I've run in to is watching 4:3 HD films, since they're weirdly formatted to be viewed on a 16:9 screen, so you end up with a box surrounded by all this blackness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 480p DVDs upscaled to 1080p through a proper DVD player and shown on a 1080p display look great I have no reason to think that 1080p Blu Rays upscaled to 4K through a proper 4KBD player and shown on a 4K display won't also look great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 So if you upscale DVD to a giant HD screen, you don't see digital artifacting and other distracting anomalies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 4 hours ago, Jay said: I have no reason to think that 1080p Blu Rays upscaled to 4K through a proper 4KBD player and shown on a 4K display won't also look great I do, because I've seen them. They lose their sharpness and start to look soft and digitally noisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 See it the way it was meant to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 It's like a city. It's like a model of a city... Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 6 hours ago, Selina Kyle said: So if you upscale DVD to a giant HD screen, you don't see digital artifacting and other distracting anomalies? That's basically the whole point of upscaling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I feel like it would only reveal those flaws of a lower resolution video transfer when viewing it on a larger higher resolution monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Wut? But thats why you upscale, when you watch video on a screen with a higher resolution than the actual video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Sounds like a gimmick to me. You can't convert a lower resolution into a higher resolution, which is what these players claim they do. It's not possible. It's duplicating pixels or what have you, but you can't add more detail. You're basically viewing a tampered image. You might not notice any issues because you watch TV from a recliner 35 feet away. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Sigh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, Selina Kyle said: Sounds like a gimmick to me. You can't convert a lower resolution into a higher resolution, which is what these players claim they do. It's not possible. It's duplicating pixels or what have you, but you can't add more detail. You're basically viewing a tampered image. You might not notice any issues because you watch TV from a recliner 35 feet away. It's just people justifying their purchases of a UHD TV, when deep down they know their 1080p blu-rays don't look as good on them as they did on their older HDTVs. But they'd rather keep telling themselves it looks great than admit they're victims of a scam. Rather like people who claim to know what Serenity is about but they're too embarrassed to admit the plot was incomprehensible. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 At least I can admit that all the extra features on my Sony TVs like "CineMotion" or "SRS Audio Effect" or whatever were just gimmicks. They didn't make the material look or sound any better. In fact, they made it worse. Do these new sets have Picture-in-picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 The signal's all screwed up! Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Stop it! Just leave it alone. You'll break it. Is that Laura Palmer in the background? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Right, it's so fuzzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Isn't it how people watched DVDs on their plasma screens for years and years? Through upscaling? All those TVs have a built-in auto upscale function in order to use all the pixels to literally fill the high resolution screen. It's not a gimmick. It's necessary. Otherwise SD would only fill half of the screen. That doesn't mean DVD on a high res screen looks like Blu-ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Drax loves his black bars all around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Actually, Drax and billions of other people hate back bars because it makes everything smaller. To me, however, it makes everything more beautiful, like a passe-partout in a frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I never minded them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I demand them! Belgian commercial TV channels (except for TV1 or Canvas, of course) blow up the aspect ratio of movies so that the black bars disappear. Needless to say it looks hideous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 8 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: I demand them! Belgian commercial TV channels (except for TV1 or Canvas, of course) blow up the aspect ratio of movies so that the black bars disappear. Needless to say it looks hideous. I don't watch movies on regular TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 21 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Actually, Drax and billions of other people hate back bars because it makes everything smaller. To me, however, it makes everything more beautiful, like a passe-partout in a frame. You keep perpetrating this myth that I hate black bars, which isn't true. I just don't think they help make a film look "more cinematic" because they're just an empty void. It's what's in the actual image that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I don't watch movies on regular TV Canvas is good. Yesterday I watched Dans La Maison by François Ozon. There's more to cinema than what Hollywood has to offer, Steef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Horizontal bars: yes Vertical bars: no Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 15 minutes ago, Godzilla said: You keep perpetrating this myth that I hate black bars, which isn't true. I just don't think they help make a film look "more cinematic" because they're just an empty void. It's what's in the actual image that matters. You once said you need binoculars or a microscope to watch a movie that has black bars on a Trinitron TV. Or was that Selina? I sometimes can't tell the difference. In any case, if it's just "an empty void" to you, don't you prefer watching movies without black bars? Perhaps you even don't mind it when TV stations blown up the ratio so that the bars fall off the screen? Huh? Well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, Quintus said: Horizontal bars: yes Vertical bars: no Pillar bars are a necessary artifact in viewing a 4:3 film or TV show in its intended format on a 16:9 screen, as are letterbox bars from a 2.35:1 (or various) from a film, so why the double standard? 6 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: In any case, if it's just "an empty void" to you, don't you prefer watching a movie without black bars? Perhaps that you even don't mind when TV stations blown up the ratio so that the bars fall off the screen? Huh? Well? Well that depends. If it's a film photographed anamorphically, then it's necessary to view the film with letterbox bars (however I'm not fixated on them as you seem to be). But if a film was photographed in Super 35, then I'm flexible, since the director and cinematographer were probably open to the film being exhibited in various aspect ratios, which the format offers. For example, Titanic and Independence Day look fine in 16:9 because they're designed with that future proofing in mind. Then we come to films shot in open matte like Aliens or Back to the Future, which again offer flexibility, that is if you don't mind a boom mic showing up now and then if you're watching the 4:3 version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Black bars make it look like you're seated further back in the theater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 People only see 'size'. For me, however, proper aspect ratio can make all the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 The image above was from an anamorphic film, so it's necessary in that case. I just don't fixate on black bars the way you do. They're just an artifact resulting from the transition from cinema to home video, where not everything fits perfectly, so compensations must be made to ensure the originally intended image is preserved. I'm sure John Carpenter thinks "the digital format allows for my full anamorphic vision to be preserved" and not "holy shit, the black bars look great on TVs!" Of course, Alex will misinterpret the above as "Drax just wants everything pan and scanned". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Seeing a 4:3 or "Academy ratio" (1.37:1) film stretched to fill a widescreen television is a harrowing, ugly experience. The vertical black bars are necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: Seeing a 4:3 or "Academy ratio" (1.37:1) film stretched to fill a widescreen television is a harrowing, ugly experience. The vertical black bars are necessary. Or cropped, which is just as bad. The images weren't necessarily composed for a 16:9 frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 On 6/3/2017 at 5:16 PM, Selina Kyle said: So if you upscale DVD to a giant HD screen, you don't see digital artifacting and other distracting anomalies? If your DVD player is a quality one and not a cheapo, absolutely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted June 5, 2017 Share Posted June 5, 2017 "DVD looks warmer than Blu-ray." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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