Incanus 5,715 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 A thrush told you that?Jason has many spies, birds, beasts. The great ravens of the mountain are his friends and allies of old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Not sure what you mean. There is the short horn line when the dwarves climb the statue. I don't remember anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Yup Thrain's theme plays when the (9/13ths) Company climbs the statue of Thror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Do you think we'll get any more expanded versions of that idea? As it is, its not that great a theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I would assume that the DOS:EE will feature all the Thrain scenes that were cut from the TC. I would also guess that Shore will write new music (or maybe he already has from before the scenes were cut) that will be used for those scenes. But who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 If that is a theme for Thrain I have to think we'll hear it in those extended bits. I'm very much looking forward to what music we might hear during those initial Azanulbizar and Moria flashback bits. Hopefully we'll hear variations of the Moria material, possibly even the Balrog stuff if he's featured/mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I agree it's not a very prominent theme, but then, Thrain is but a footnote in the films so far. I'm hoping for more inclusions of The Dwarf Lords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I love that Dwarf Lords theme from AUJ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,356 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I love that Dwarf Lords theme from AUJ!Meh.I prefer the "theme" in "Erebor" better (I really don't buy that its all Bilbo's Adventure).Though I could grow to love it of course, as I have Smaug's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I agree it's not a very prominent theme, but then, Thrain is but a footnote in the films so far. I'm hoping for more inclusions of The Dwarf Lords.I love that Dwarf Lords theme from AUJ!Yes! I hope Shore has a chance to expand its use in TABA, which would be perfect place to introduce it unless PJ torpedoes the whole thematic idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I thought I heard The Dwarf Lords in the emotional cor anglais part when the company enters the mountain, but it could be my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,356 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I heard The Kraken so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 You can hear the B section of The Dwarf Lords on horns in the beginning of On the Doorstep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I love that Dwarf Lords theme from AUJ!Meh.I prefer the "theme" in "Erebor" better (I really don't buy that its all Bilbo's Adventure).Accept it! This is the truth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I thought that two, though it makes sense if Thrain's theme shares elements with the other Dwarven material we've heard so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Yes, that's why we said we wish more of it would be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,356 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 You can hear the B section of The Dwarf Lords on horns in the beginning of On the Doorstep.Thats Thrain's theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 You can hear the B section of The Dwarf Lords on horns in the beginning of On the Doorstep.Thats Thrain's theme?That's the consensus, yes.It plays under the Erebor theme in the prologue of AUJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I love that Dwarf Lords theme from AUJ!Meh. I prefer the "theme" in "Erebor" better (I really don't buy that its all Bilbo's Adventure). "Erebor" doesn't contain Bilbo's Adventure theme at all, it only contains The Company's Adventure theme. See here I love that Dwarf Lords theme from AUJ!Meh. I prefer the "theme" in "Erebor" better (I really don't buy that its all Bilbo's Adventure). Accept it! This is the truth! No... it isn't! Bilbo's Adventure doesn't appear in that track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,356 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I think he is refering to Train's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 You can hear the B section of The Dwarf Lords on horns in the beginning of On the Doorstep. What? Why have you not mentioned this before!? What is the timestamp you are talking about, please? You can hear the B section of The Dwarf Lords on horns in the beginning of On the Doorstep.Thats Thrain's theme? That's the consensus, yes. It plays under the Erebor theme in the prologue of AUJ. What? Why have you not mentioned this before!? What is the timestamp you are talking about, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I love that Dwarf Lords theme from AUJ!Meh.I prefer the "theme" in "Erebor" better (I really don't buy that its all Bilbo's Adventure). "Erebor" doesn't contain Bilbo's Adventure theme at all, it only contains The Company's Adventure theme. See hereI love that Dwarf Lords theme from AUJ!Meh.I prefer the "theme" in "Erebor" better (I really don't buy that its all Bilbo's Adventure). Accept it! This is the truth! No... it isn't! Bilbo's Adventure doesn't appear in that track.It's a variation of Bilbo's Adventure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,356 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 How is that not a variation of Bilbo's Adventure?Bilbo's Adventure sounds more like the Shire theme, where the "theme" in "Erebor" does not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 To my knowledge, The Dwarf Lord's Theme ONLY appears here:The Dwarf LordsAUJ 1-03 3:43-4:04 (B Section)AUJ 2-16 0:00-0:37AUJ 2-16 0:57-1:35AUJ 2-16 1:35-1:57 (B Section) And Thrain's Theme only appears here: Thrain’s ThemeDOS 2-06 0:00-0:45 Please tell me if I am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,356 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Just curious, are the first notes of the standard OST version of The White Council related to the notes that were microedited out of the Erebor/Thorin theme statement in My Dear Frodo?Also, what is the theme that appears in the microedited section of An Ancient Enemy and in Moon Runes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I love that Dwarf Lords theme from AUJ!Meh. I prefer the "theme" in "Erebor" better (I really don't buy that its all Bilbo's Adventure). "Erebor" doesn't contain Bilbo's Adventure theme at all, it only contains The Company's Adventure theme. See here I love that Dwarf Lords theme from AUJ!Meh. I prefer the "theme" in "Erebor" better (I really don't buy that its all Bilbo's Adventure). Accept it! This is the truth! No... it isn't! Bilbo's Adventure doesn't appear in that track. It's a variation of Bilbo's Adventure. No..... this is how I have them categorized. Please tell me if you think I'm wrong? Bilbo’s Adventure Theme AUJ 1-01 0:37-0:52 AUJ 1-08 0:12-0:41 AUJ 2-11 3:25-3:41 AUJ 2-14 0:00-0:31 DOS 1-09 0:00-0:13 The Company’s Adventure Theme AUJ 1-08 0:41-0:55 AUJ 2-15 0:00-0:25 AUJ 2-15 0:39-1:01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 You can hear the B section of The Dwarf Lords on horns in the beginning of On the Doorstep. What? Why have you not mentioned this before!? What is the timestamp you are talking about, please?You can hear the B section of The Dwarf Lords on horns in the beginning of On the Doorstep.Thats Thrain's theme?That's the consensus, yes.It plays under the Erebor theme in the prologue of AUJ. What? Why have you not mentioned this before!? What is the timestamp you are talking about, please?I don't have the exact time stamp, but On The Doorstep begins with the flutes playing the Erebor theme. Right after that, the French horns play a two part figure, when the company arrives at the top of the giant statue. This quotes The Dwarf Lords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 You can hear the B section of The Dwarf Lords on horns in the beginning of On the Doorstep. What? Why have you not mentioned this before!? What is the timestamp you are talking about, please?0:16-0:23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I don't have the exact time stamp, but On The Doorstep begins with the flutes playing the Erebor theme. Right after that, the French horns play a two part figure, when the company arrives at the top of the giant statue. This quotes The Dwarf Lords.That's Thrain's Theme.You can hear the B section of The Dwarf Lords on horns in the beginning of On the Doorstep. What? Why have you not mentioned this before!? What is the timestamp you are talking about, please?0:16-0:23.That's Thrain's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 To my knowledge, The Dwarf Lord's Theme ONLY appears here: The Dwarf LordsAUJ 1-03 3:43-4:04 (B Section)AUJ 2-16 0:00-0:37AUJ 2-16 0:57-1:35AUJ 2-16 1:35-1:57 (B Section) And Thrain's Theme only appears here: Thrain’s ThemeDOS 2-06 0:00-0:45 Please tell me if I am wrong.The first 45 seconds of On The Doorstep don't just feature Thrain's theme (which is part of The Dwarf Lords). Like I said, the track begins with flutes and piccolo flute playing the Erebor theme in drawn out fashion. When that stops, Thrain's theme (The Dwarf Lords B-phrase), is played on French horns shortly.Thrain's theme is part of The Dwarf Lords, Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 But the Dwarf Lord's b phrase is not identical to the notes heard in On the Doorstep.I agree the two themes are related (as well they should be), but it's not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I love that Dwarf Lords theme from AUJ!Meh.I prefer the "theme" in "Erebor" better (I really don't buy that its all Bilbo's Adventure). "Erebor" doesn't contain Bilbo's Adventure theme at all, it only contains The Company's Adventure theme. See hereI love that Dwarf Lords theme from AUJ!Meh.I prefer the "theme" in "Erebor" better (I really don't buy that its all Bilbo's Adventure). Accept it! This is the truth! No... it isn't! Bilbo's Adventure doesn't appear in that track.It's a variation of Bilbo's Adventure. No..... this is how I have them categorized. Please tell me if you think I'm wrong?Bilbo’s Adventure ThemeAUJ 1-01 0:37-0:52AUJ 1-08 0:12-0:41AUJ 2-11 3:25-3:41AUJ 2-14 0:00-0:31DOS 1-09 0:00-0:13The Company’s Adventure ThemeAUJ 1-08 0:41-0:55AUJ 2-15 0:00-0:25AUJ 2-15 0:39-1:01This is the opening melody in "Erebor":It's basically a more stepwise variation of the statement you hear in the beginning of "The Adventure Begins". It's essentially the same melody in different settings. What you hear in "The Adventure Begins" is a more homely (Shire-like) setting in A major. What you hear in "Erebor" is a more robust variation in D major, that relies more heavily on the leaping intervals. Both instances are slightly different, but that's more of a trivial thing as they're clearly based on the same melodic material. I'm sure Doug might come up with some fancy names to signify "Bilbo's Adventure in Shire mode" and "Bilbo's Adventure in action mode". But same theme. Anyone else agree, or am I just crazy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 So Shore wrote a concert arrangement of Bilbo's Adventure Theme, had it recorded by the LPO.... then named it "Erebor" on the SE OST? Also, why has this all not been mentioned before?Is there anything else wrong with my theme list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I've been making this argument since AUJ came out!I remember people claiming it was a variation of Erebor, or the Company's Unused Adventure theme, but I always the opening melody of "The World is Ahead" and "Erebor" were one and the same. Once Doug identified Bilbo's Adventure, I thought we all eventually agreed that was the theme, but I guess that isn't the case.And since when did titles matter so much? Maybe it was written with some epic New Zealand travelling montage in mind? Who knows?Shame Doug never actually confirmed this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I know all that, I meant why did nobody look at my main post of this thread when it went up and say "hey, I don't think The Company's Adventure Theme should be listed as a separate theme, because it's really a different setting of Bilbo's Adventure".Anyways, I still don't get why Shore would label a concert arrangement containing ONLY (supposed) Bilbo's Adventure theme as "Erebor". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Maybe it was written with some epic New Zealand travelling montage in mind?No. It's a theme presentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,222 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 This figure from On the Doorstep (0:17-0:20 and then higher at 0:21-0:24) I had taken to be the same as the figure heard in The Quest for Erebor (0:41-0:48) which is listed at the beginning of this thread as "Smaug's A Theme".(No doubt this conversation has been had/dismissed before too, so apologies in advance.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Maybe it was written with some epic New Zealand travelling montage in mind?No. It's a theme presentation.Ahh yes, that was confirmed wasn't it?Still, we know for sure its not the Erebor theme we're hearing, so what relevance does the the title have anyway? The whole quest is essentially Bilbo's journey to Erebor. Do we even know if Shore gave the track that title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 This figure from On the Doorstep (0:17-0:20 and then higher at 0:21-0:24) I had taken to be the same as the figure heard in The Quest for Erebor (0:41-0:48) which is listed at the beginning of this thread as "Smaug's A Theme".(No doubt this conversation has been had/dismissed before too, so apologies in advance.) I'm not entirely convinced 0:41-0:48 of Quest For Erebor is Smaug's theme actually... I think it's a complicated variant of other themes much like 0:00-0:36 of the same track is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I agree. That's not Smaug's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 Do we even know if Shore gave the track that title?Nope... I have no idea who came up with the OSE SE Bonus Track titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,222 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I'm not entirely convinced 0:41-0:48 of Quest For Erebor is Smaug's theme actually... I think it's a complicated variant of other themes much like 0:00-0:36 of the same track is.It sounds to me like a fragment of the Arkenstone theme (the second half of the "choral melody" in TheGreyPilgrim's terminology from one of the other threads). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Do we even know if Shore gave the track that title?No. But personally, I interpret the title "Erebor" as "The Journey To Erebor" rather than "The Dwarven Kingdom". That would explain why that track includes Bilbo's adventure theme.Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,222 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Oh yeah...the same figure's in Mirkwood as well. I wonder if it is supposed to relate to the forest in itself, or to the Dwarves' journey through through the forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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