TWIN PEAKS

[KK 3,307]

Why get our hopes up? Good Coop is going to be amnesiac forever. The rest of the show will be scored with silence and we'll never settle back in Twin Peaks again!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269]

I certainly don't think Twin Peaks will ever be the same show as at was in the 90's.The emphasis seems to have changed completely. From a character driven show with strong soap elements and some supernatural mystery to a show that is all about the supernatural mystery. eschewing everything else.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Quintus 5,399]

Evelyn's tooth! 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269]

Wut?

[DominicCobb 195]

Anyone watching the new series (which is fantastic) without having seen FWWM is making a big mistake. Thus far Philip Jeffries/Buenos Aires*, "Blue Rose," the green ring, Harry Dean Stanton/trailer park, and Laura's diary entry have all been relevant elements from the film (as well as referential shots and dialogue). There will almost certainly be more - there's always garmonbozia to remember and I think Laura's going to end up being important once more.

 

*Have to say the Jeffries stuff is kinda hard to understand without The Missing Pieces

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[Dixon Hill 4,234]

I'm quite certain that Josie is the most annoying character of the original run.  Her story is a drag.   Catharine is not far behind.

[Quintus 5,399]

Josie I can take or leave, but I loved Piper Laurie in the show. 

[Thor 7,703]

Didn't we establish earlier that Josie is that eerie hum that Ben Horne and Ashley Judd hear in the Great Northern? I'm sure she must have expanded beyond her drawer knob prison by now....

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[Quintus 5,399]

I didn't attribute the sound to Josie, no. Nor did I even consider her being related to it. I've been thinking instead that it's perhaps the location of some sort of open portal, to or from the Lodge. Coop was after all supposed to be sent back to his room at The Great Northern. 

[Thor 7,703]

Yeah, it was a rather joking -- albeit tantalizing -- idea.

[Quintus 5,399]

 

Is this development even compatible?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269]

Brilliant!

[Jay 37,564]

Twin Peaks 3x05 The Return, Part 5

 

Holy bloody hell did this week continue a ton of different subplots and also introduced a ton of new ones (or at least new characters) - the scope of this show is getting wider without really getting much deeper yet.  Phew!  Let's dig in:

 

Everyone still thinks Coop is Dougie - I love how each episode starts right where the last one ended; Coop and Naomi Watts are still inside after the breakfast sequence that ended last week.  It's so WEIRD to me that she just shoves Dougie off to work without much though; Marcy was like "If you were acting like that, I'd take you to the hospital!"  I loved the signs that Coop is slowly returning: Not only his continuing love for coffee, but his reaction things like "Agent" and "Case Files" being said.  Neat.  The coolest part of Dougie at work was the light that appeared on a coworkers face, and how Coop knew it meant he was lying: Fascinating stuff.  The black lodge continues to send messages to him it seems. Him being able to walk and drink coffee but not go to the bathroom without help is kinda weird.  I'm not quite sure what it is Coop sees in that statue outside that transfixes him so, but it was a neat way to end the episode and roll the credits over.

 

A bunch of Vegas people mess with Dougie's Car - this is the only subplot I'm really totally confused by.  In an early episode, before we ever met Dougie, some guys had some conversation in Vegas that I really don't remember the specifics of.  Later when Dougie escapes with Jade, some people tried to shoot him, which I thought was connected.  This week, those same guys called their boss, some new female character, who wasn't happy with the news and send a text message to Argentina, which made a device beep twice.  Later on, we saw there are TWO different entities paying attention to Dougie's car: One that placed the tracker there and called the lady, and then another group, in a dark black car, who tried to break in later and got blown up.  So who put the bomb there?  Who are each entity working for? At the end of the episode, Evil Coop made his phone call, and that Argentina box was seen again, and shrunk up like Dougie did.  It's all a bit confusing!

 

Does any modern business really operate this way? - So the supervisor guy (from Go On and Another Period) who let Cooper have his jackpot winnings the other week gets beat up by, I guess the casino owner (T-Bag from Prison Break, along with Jim Belushi of all people!) in front of a room full of other employees.  I'm sure mob-run casinos in the 50s operated like this, but come on.  Anyway, they basically just tell the Dark Knight/Ant-Man guy that he has the other guy's job now and to let them know of Dougie shows his face again.  I was surprised we even caught up with these characters again at all; I guess we haven't seen the end of their story.  We'll see where it goes...

 

Jade mails Cooper's key back to Twin Peaks - I wasn't expecting to see Jade again, so that was cool.  I hadn't realized Cooper dropped the key again after he picked it up off the jeep floor.  I wonder what the Hornes will do when it shows up at their hotel?  Or if we'll see Jade again for some reason?

 

Amanda Syfried, Amanda Seyfried! - So early on there's a scene where a young guy totally fails at applying for a job with a terrible resume; I thought it could have been one of the Culkins, but I guess it wasn't?  Later, Amanda Seyfried (!) shows up at the RR Diner and gets money from Shelly (her mom?) while Norma watches.  I almost didn't recognize Norma at all, but enjoyed her and Shelly's close friendship at the end.  When Amanda and the doofus get in the car later and have a conversation, I just don't get what she sees in this loser.  Cool shot of her head when the car drives away though after she does coke.  I wonder if they are setting her up to be Killer Bob's next victim....

 

Agent Preston looks at fingerprints - I thought for sure they were gonna zoom in on Evil Coop's fingerprints at some point and there was gonna be some spooky image or weird code in them or something.  Since nothing like that happened, I wonder what the point of this scene was...

Sheriff Truman gets yelled at by his wife - Another new female character is introduced, Truman's wife.  This come after he's on the phone with his brother, which I continue to think is kind of a silly thing to do.  Since Ontkean didn't want to be on the show, they should have just quickly written him out by saying he's sick, and Robert Forster is the sheriff now, instead of bringing up his sickness every week.  Even if Ontkean IS going to return and they secretly filmed scenes with him and left his name out of the cast list, this is going too far.  Anyways, his wife was a total shrew, and makes you wonder why he puts up with her!  Even more-so than Martin Freeman's wife on Fargo

 

Hawk and Andy - How many days in a row are these guys gonna shuffle through the same box of evidence??  Yet another example of a scene that while not moving the plot was pretty funny, but would have landed SO much better if there was music!

 

Subplots mingle and the military angle continues - So earlier I mentioned that Evil Coop makes a phone call to the same Argentinian box that one of the entities watching Dougie's car texted, so those are connected.  But also this week, the Hung lady did an autopsy of the body that was in bed with the South Dakota librarian's head, and found Dougie's wedding ring in it!  So now the Dougie subplot is connected to the South Dakota murder subplot.  And speaking of that: The military-blocked fingerprints issue came up again, as another new female character talks to her supervisor and indicates the fingerprints belong to Major Briggs!  He lets her go to South Dakota to investigate, so that should be interesting.  He said those fingerprints have appeared 16 times over 25 years and never lead to anything....

Dr Jacoby has a streaming internet show - Well, this was odd, didn't see this coming!  I wasn't sure at first what to make of it, until it turns out he's just trying to sell golden shovels, so I guess you don't really know if he believes all the conspiracy theory stuff he was saying beforehand, or if he is just in it for the money.  It was fun to see who around town listens to him: There was Nadine (great to see her again!  I hope Ed comes back too), Jeremy Horne.. and some guy in the woods?  Good cell reception in the woods there...

 

Another new character is a dick at the bar - This week's musical number came not at the end of the episode, but a little before, and during it some new douchebag character smokes at a table, gives some guy hundreds of dollars, then threatens to rape a girl at the next table.  Why didn't her friends come over and rescue her?  Very strange.

 

Forgot to mention one thing - A brief scene where Evil Coop looks in the mirror and they do like a CGI morph into Killer Bob's face.  I guess that's the best they can do with the Killer Bob actor being dead, so it kind of worked despite being kind of silly at the same time.

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[Jay 37,564]

Wait, those guys in the deep black car were literally just carjackers and not anyone important?  I wouldn't have guessed that.  I didn't realize the "tracker" was actually the bomb either; It looked to me like the explosion came from inside the car.

 

BTW, I accidentally posted above before finishing my post, I've edited it with the rest of my comments now.

 

And we actually watched the movie on Sunday; I'll write about that next.  I don't see what connection that Arentina box has to the movie, though.

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[Jay 37,564]

We didn't watch The Missing Pieces but I thought the entire scene with Bowie was a completely pointless aside that, well, served no point.  Anyways more on that later.

[BloodBoal 7,538]

[Jay 37,564]

Cool, looking forward to watching that

 

BTW: Did David Bowie shoot any scenes for this before he died?

 

 

EDIT: Another random thing I forgot about, When Gordon and Albert were talking about one of them said they knew one person who would know if Evil Coop was legit and Albert said he knew where she was, Marcy and I both went: "Diane?"  I hope the rumors that Laura Dern was playing her were right!

[Marian Schedenig 8,278]

33 minutes ago, BloodBoal said:

In Fire Walk With Me, it definitely feels weird and messy. In The Missing Pieces, it is a bit clearer.

 

A bit.

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[Marian Schedenig 8,278]

I'm not gonna talk about Judy, infact, we're not gonna talk about Judy at all!

 

Actually, I just watched the film and the missing pieces over the weekend. I'm certainly appreciating them more after what we've seen of S3 so far. Although it's of course still all very confusing. And I've forgotten way too much of the first two seasons. I guess a full rewatch will be in order once S3 has wrapped.

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

We watched FWWM last night.  Frankly, the urge to turn it off swelled up more than a few times.  I'm sure on some level it was interesting to see all of this stuff, which we already knew enough about, actually happen.  But my god, to go from the idiosyncratic, utterly distinctive tone of the show to whatever this was was jarring as hell.  It was shockingly flat and drab in its execution, and not only by Lynch standards.  A letdown, overall.  

 

Now on to this "missing pieces" business and finally The Return. 

[Quintus 5,399]

Pilgrim, for years I felt the same way about it. I really hated FWWM actually. But then I decided to give it another go after seeing 8 episodes of season 3, to help with my understanding of what is happening there: and it was pretty transformative for me personally; to see the film again and have it feel reframed. You watched it in the wrong order, but don't feel bad - millions of TP fans did the same thing. 

 

I still can't work out why people are keen to watch deleted scenes, though. They shouldn't matter! I did however catch the Philip Jeffries stuff on YouTube. Whilst curious, it's not essential. Lynch is at fault here for making Bowie's scene feel utterly pointless, and then seemingly including Jeffries anyway in The Return without any cohesive merit or skill whatsoever. That one aspect is straight-up broken storytelling. There simply is no filmic join between Jeffries' appearance in FWWM and the materialisation of his voice in S3. 

 

Anyway, I see Jason's making good progress then, but his review style is a bit stodgy for me. It's literally a running commentary. I don't need to re-read the entirety of what I've already watched. 

 

Still, it could be fun to see him try to word epi 8

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269]

I just find it funny he's worried about real world logic issues like Jane-E not realizing something is wrong with her husband or the unrealistic business practices at the casino.

10 hours ago, Jay said:

We didn't watch The Missing Pieces but I thought the entire scene with Bowie was a completely pointless aside that, well, served no point.  Anyways more on that later.

 

Its very dangerous to think that about anything Twin Peaks related.

[Quintus 5,399]

21 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

I just find it funny he's worried about real world logic issues like Jane-E not realizing something is wrong with her husband or the unrealistic business practices at the casino.

 

Funny but expected. 

[Jay 37,564]

Hey I'm loving the show, just kinda wish she was more concerned about her husband's condition instead of just shoving him off to work. Maybe she's too enamored by the half mil she hid wherever. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269]

All Janey-E does is seem concerned about Dougie actually.

[Quintus 5,399]

I was hoping Watts would play a far less irritating and more interesting character in this. 

[mstrox 6,685]

14 hours ago, TheGreyPilgrim said:

We watched FWWM last night.  Frankly, the urge to turn it off swelled up more than a few times.  I'm sure on some level it was interesting to see all of this stuff, which we already knew enough about, actually happen.  But my god, to go from the idiosyncratic, utterly distinctive tone of the show to whatever this was was jarring as hell.  It was shockingly flat and drab in its execution, and not only by Lynch standards.  A letdown, overall.

 

Word of warning:  everything that comes after is much more consistent in tone with FWWM than it is with TP.

 

And actually, The Return is much closer tonally to Lost Highway/Mulholland Dr/Inland Empire than it is to TP, barring the obvious (returning characters and locations).

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269]

So far, which characters have actually been interesting, outside of Mr. C?

 

Sherrif Truman kinda is, but mainly because of Forster's innate charisma. Other than that I'm really struggling to think of any character who I care for or about at this point.

[mstrox 6,685]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Hey I'm loving the show, just kinda wish she was more concerned about her husband's condition instead of just shoving him off to work. Maybe she's too enamored by the half mil she hid wherever. 

 

I'm reserving judgment on Janey-E, and pretty much everything else, until we see the full picture of what Lynch has going on.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269]

What if the show gets cancelled again and we never see the full thing as Lynch envisioned it? I mean who says he intends season 3 to be the last?

[mstrox 6,685]

Just now, Stefancos said:

So far, which characters have actually been interesting, outside of Mr. C?

 

Sherrif Truman kinda is, but mainly because of Forster's innate charisma. Other than that I'm really struggling to think of any character who I care for or about at this point.

 

It's hard to say, because Mr. C and DougieCoop are really the only two characters who have significant screentime. (Hawk, Sherrif 2Man, Janey-E, Andy, Lucy, and Shelly have all had an okay amount, but not a ton to do).

 

Of the bits and pieces of stories we've seen, I'm interested in Ben Horne/Ashley Judd,  Shelly's daughter, Richard Horne.  If we get to spend any amount of time at all with these characters, that is...  I like Janey-E in spite of her clueless reactions.  I like what Watts has done, especially in her intro scene, the crying Dougie/Coop scene, and her scene in the park with the thugs.  Hard to believe that there are still a handful of returning characters we haven't even peeped for a second yet.

 

5 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

What if the show gets cancelled again and we never see the full thing as Lynch envisioned it? I mean who says he intends season 3 to be the last?

 

Lynch and Frost crafted The Return as its own complete piece - so sure, something else may come after it, but I'm expecting The Return to make as much sense as it's GOING to make by the end of episode 18

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[Jay 37,564]

1 hour ago, Quintus said:

I was hoping Watts would play a far less irritating and more interesting character in this. 

 

I doubt Watts was hired just for what we've seen her do so far (or rather: What I've seen her do through 5 episodes); surely she'll have more interesting things to do as time goes on.  I hope, anyway!

 

 

26 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

So far, which characters have actually been interesting, outside of Mr. C?

 

Sherrif Truman kinda is, but mainly because of Forster's innate charisma. Other than that I'm really struggling to think of any character who I care for or about at this point.

 

Cooper, Amanda Seyfried, the FBI squad (Gordon/Albert/Hip lady), Jade.... I was also really into the South Dakota Librarian murder plot, but after being the primary focus of the first two episodes, they've only checked back on that plot in very small doses since...

[Quintus 5,399]

1 hour ago, Stefancos said:

Sherrif Truman kinda is, but mainly because of Forster's innate charisma.

 

I'm a fan of Forster, but I've been indifferent about his appearance in Twin Peaks. He's just sort of there. I haven't picked up on any of that charisma you mentioned. 

[Jay 37,564]

Oh, I was charmed by his performance from moment one.  I love the way he sits there and takes in everything someone says, then pauses, ponders, then responds.  He's great so far.

[Quintus 5,399]

Enraptured? Lol 

[Jay 37,564]

Eh, whatever,  I used the wrong word.  Thanks for laughing out loud at it

[Thor 7,703]

I think the Naomi Watts character kinda lives in her own world, oblivious to the apparent change in Dougie. She's not a realistic character, she's more detached like most of Lynch's characters. Very little empathy, it's more about "living in the situations".

[Quintus 5,399]

I never really use "lol" in the way it was conceived. I prefer it as an expression of straight-faced sarcasm. It's like the mildly amused version of "meh". 

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[Dixon Hill 4,234]

11 hours ago, Quintus said:

Pilgrim, for years I felt the same way about it. I really hated FWWM actually. But then I decided to give it another go after seeing 8 episodes of season 3, to help with my understanding of what is happening there: and it was pretty transformative for me personally; to see the film again and have it feel reframed. You watched it in the wrong order, but don't feel bad - millions of TP fans did the same thing. 

 

I still can't work out why people are keen to watch deleted scenes, though. They shouldn't matter! I did however catch the Philip Jeffries stuff on YouTube. Whilst curious, it's not essential. Lynch is at fault here for making Bowie's scene feel utterly pointless, and then seemingly including Jeffries anyway in The Return without any cohesive merit or skill whatsoever. That one aspect is straight-up broken storytelling. There simply is no filmic join between Jeffries' appearance in FWWM and the materialisation of his voice in S3. 

 

Anyway, I see Jason's making good progress then, but his review style is a bit stodgy for me. It's literally a running commentary. I don't need to re-read the entirety of what I've already watched. 

 

Still, it could be fun to see him try to word epi 8

 

I watched it with your recent change of attitude in mind, and I can definitely surmise how that would happen as far as adding to understanding and context.  But I still wonder if the overall "off" quality of the execution can be helped for me.  I think it feels very dated, whereas even the schmaltzy love theme from the original run never fully dates the show.  It just felt like a very drab piece of early 90s cinema.  If The Return follows a similar tone, I can bear with it and even be excited, since I think buried in there was ultimately what I have been wanting from the show all along.  Just hope there's more swagger and style to how Lynch does it all, and from what I've seen, it does appear to be the case.

[Quintus 5,399]

You may as well tear up and throw out what you know about the Twin Peaks universe thus far as you make a start on The Return. Lynch tore us all a new one by the time we reached epi 8.

 

I forgot to ask - did you finish season 2 then? 

[Jay 37,564]

The Return is MORE like FWWM than the original show, BUT its still RADICALLY different from either.  Perhaps a bit closer to Mulholland Dr than either of those.  In the end, its really its own thing and not a repeat of anything prior

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,269]

Some fans certainly seem to be struggling with that. We're far far away from damn good coffee and cherry pie.