BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 I wonder if she's been "in on it", for want of a better phrase, from the very start, then. But yeah, interesting episode. Not ideal, but definitely what I wanted to see throughout this revival. I'm still thinking it's too late to save it now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Decent episode. I've never been one to call out for things "making sense" in this revival; nor am I interested in evaluating it based on traditional storytelling criteria. BUT...one thing bugged me in this one. If Dougie Jones is Diane's brother-in-law, then how come she has never recognized his resemblance to Cooper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 "I had another Monica Belluci dream" is almost as good as Gordon's early Chihuahua comment to Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 44 minutes ago, Thor said: I've never been one to call out for things "making sense" in this revival; nor am I interested in evaluating it based on traditional storytelling criteria. BUT...one thing bugged me in this one. If Dougie Jones is Diane's brother-in-law, then how come she has never recognized his resemblance to Cooper? Well, they are estranged, so it's possible she's never seen him - but if so, why didn't she mention that? Or perhaps it's just yet another case of people in this show being oblivious to the obvious, like the Sheriff troupe doesn't really seem to care that mystery girl has no eyes, and basically everybody around Dougie Jones. Also, what is it with this Billy character? Wilson, how many times have I told you this is what we do in the FBI? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Well, they are estranged, so it's possible she's never seen him - but if so, why didn't she mention that? Or perhaps it's just yet another case of people in this show being oblivious to the obvious, like the Sheriff troupe doesn't really seem to care that mystery girl has no eyes, and basically everybody around Dougie Jones. Yeah, could be. 9 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Also, what is it with this Billy character? Wilson, how many times have I told you this is what we do in the FBI? Great LOL moment, that one! Loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 The structure of this season has worked directly against the plot. The whole Jackrabbit excursion thing, for example, that was last mentioned about 3 weeks or so ago, but we're all supposed to remember with ease exactly what was written on Major Briggs's note, oh and something to do with putting soil in their pockets. It's not very satisfying to have these big gaps between the very many active strands in the story, it harms the dramatic sweep. But it was a good episode and I'll take it. Game of Thrones is shitting all over this for me now though, I have to say (I hadn't once envisioned such a barmy scenario ever coming about, but that's where I am). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I think it's possible Diane set up Janey-E and Dougie in the first place (remember she's in cahoots with the bad Coop, who seems to have ostensibly manufactured Dougie). Also, I'm consistently surprised when I read this thread at how surprised people are by this season. In all honestly, it's not nearly as slow or as weird as I thought it would be (have none of you seen Inland Empire?). I'm loving it all, and this ep was one of the best of the bunch. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 483 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I agree, I don't find the pace of this too slow at all. There's some slower moments that could have been cut down in some episodes, yes, but overall I think the pace of this series is faster than I expected, too. Also agree on it being faster paced than Inland Empire (which I was not really a fan of, compared to this). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Its cool that you guys are absolutely loving it (many are judging by what I've seen online elsewhere), but I'm not sure why you're comparing 18 hours of Twin Peaks to 3 hours of Inland Empire. I'm not seeing the relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I don't think it's a matter of actual length. It's more about the feeling of it; and the amount of non-narrative elements. Despite oddball episodes, INLAND EMPIRE is in a whole other league (except maybe episode 8) compared to TWIN PEAKS. TWIN PEAKS seems far more reigned in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Yeah, I added the length of each respective work to highlight two differentials not one anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 @BloodBoal Word is the Russians are leaking spoilers from episodes 15-18, fill your boots man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 OK, caught up to the latest episode last night 16 hours ago, Thor said: If Dougie Jones is Diane's brother-in-law, then how come she has never recognized his resemblance to Cooper? She said in the episode her and her sister are estranged and haven't spoken in years; She probably met Dougie after their estrangement began. 15 hours ago, Quintus said: The structure of this season has worked directly against the plot. The whole Jackrabbit excursion thing, for example, that was last mentioned about 3 weeks or so ago, but we're all supposed to remember with ease exactly what was written on Major Briggs's note, oh and something to do with putting soil in their pockets. It's not very satisfying to have these big gaps between the very many active strands in the story, it harms the dramatic sweep. Completely agreed!!! Quote But it was a good episode and I'll take it. Pretty much how I feel too! 14 hours ago, DominicCobb said: I think it's possible Diane set up Janey-E and Dougie in the first place (remember she's in cahoots with the bad Coop, who seems to have ostensibly manufactured Dougie). Oh, I see... that's possible I guess. SO........... WTF was up with that final Sarah Palmer scene? Or another scene of brand new characters talking about... someone at the bar at the end? There is a 0% chance all the.... I'll say 25 different plot threads this show is doing will be resolved in 2 1/2 weeks time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 But it's not about the resolve, it's about dem Lynchian feelz. Blergh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 At least we didn't have another Audrey/husband fight this week. Those are dreadful I noticed this is the second episode of the season where Kyle MacLachlan barely appeared; 2 weeks ago his only scene was the brief baseball scene with Dougie's kid. This week he only appeared in the flashback to FWWM movie, and the footage Andy saw in the ceiling of the white lodge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 True. But I at least find those scenes strangely watchable in as far as the twisted mystery of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 12 minutes ago, Jay said: Or another scene of brand new characters talking about... someone at the bar at the end? There is a 0% chance all the.... I'll say 25 different plot threads this show is doing will be resolved in 2 1/2 weeks time! Audrey had her husband Charlie call Tina (who last saw Billy), and Charlie wouldn't tell Audrey what Tina said. At the Roadhouse, the one woman is Tina's daughter, who confirmed the fact that Billy was "bleeding from the nose and mouth" like Audrey dreamed. The other woman is David Lynch's IRL wife. I actually liked this week's Roadhouse scene, as well as last week's Audrey scene, which gave a little insight into the unwieldy intro scene the week before. And added some menace to Charlie. What intrigues me is that the music in the Roadhouse got creepy when the name Tina was spoken. What's so spooky about Tina? Will we be surprised by a familiar face when we meet her? Why can't Tina's daughter remember whether her uncle was there, and will that uncle also have a familiar face? I feel like the Audrey/Charlie/Tina/Billy stuff might be key to some TP-located mystery. Is Billy the guy in the jail cell whose nose and mouth were bleeding? Who knows! I'm sure there will be some modicum of clarity re: this eventually. Gordon's dream sequence this week was equal parts awesome and foreboding - awesome because it was such an excellent sequence, but foreboding because it raises the possibility that "this is all a dream" - which some people have speculated re: a lot of weird continuity issues, some characters acting illogically, some characters forgetting important things. I hope it isn't that - seems like a cop-out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, mstrox said: I'm sure there will be some modicum of clarity re: this eventually. Can you really be sure though? With so many open plot threads (I might have even undershot by guessing 25), is there any chance they'll all receive clarity in the final 4 hours of the show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: But who's the dreamer? Audrey! Or Dougie! Or, let's face it, it's probably Evelyn Marsh in a big reveal cameo. Just now, Jay said: Can you really be sure though? With so many open plot threads (I might have even undershot by guessing 25), is there any chance they'll all receive clarity in the final 4 hours of the show? I doubt there will be COMPLETE clarity - but the "Billy is missing" storyline was introduced tangentially in episode 12, and has been weaving in and out of three episodes in a row. It also involves a major returning character. I'd expect that we'll meet Tina and find out what happened to Billy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 BTW, why was that weird guy in the jail cell openly bleeding in jail, and not in the hospital? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 What are the "big mysteries" of the mythos left, really? I think the South Dakota mystery is solved "enough" - I assume that Matthew Lillard's interrogation was truthful. He and his girlfriend met Major Briggs in a portal, and agents of the Lodge/Portal area killed the two of them. Mr. C seemed to have something to do with the cover-up. I think the New York mystery box has mainly been answered. The box appears likely to be around a portal or entryway into this world. It is financed by - unknown - but we know that Mr. C had something to do with it. Financed by him or Philip Jeffries? We have seen The Experiment appear in the box (and kill), and we have seen Cooper in there as well, in his descent through the stars before he ended up in the purple ocean space box. So there are two big storylines awaiting resolution Mr. C - what does he want (in Twin Peaks, based on coordinates) - at this point, I have three guesses. 1) the gold entrance to the Fireman's place, which we just saw in Ep 14. 2) Naido, the eyeless woman. Reasons unknown. 3) Sarah Palmer, or whatever is living inside her face. (My theory on that, BTW, is that Sarah was the girl at the end of episode 8 with the frog bug). This will inevitably collide with the TP Sheriff's Dept. Dougie and the awakening of Dale - it's hard to see where this will go completely. We know that through the Mysterious Powers of Dougie, he is rallying his troops. He has the casino mafia on his side now, and everyone at work - even the guy who was tasked to kill him. The Vegas branch of the FBI are now on the lookout for him, the cops have his DNA out. Tim Roth and Jennifer Jason Leigh seem to be the last line of attack against him. I feel like Roth/Leigh's arrival will result in some sort of clash, and that may wrap up the Las Vegas story somehow. In the middle of those two are Gordon, Albert, Tammy, and double-agent Diane. They have clues to both of the above locations, so where they go next is anyone's guess. I think four hours is enough to resolve that business. What's left otherwise is a lot of smaller mysteries, which I have no doubt will be wrapped up to some extent. Audrey/Billy/Tina The Great Northern bell ringing "Richard and Linda," from the Fireman in the first scene of the first episode. We have met a Richard - Horne - and have heard a reference to a Linda (somebody in the trailer park with a wheelchair). And a lot of interpersonal storylines: Shelly's daughter and her husband Norma, her boyfriend, Ed James and the married woman Jerry Horne on the run Shelly, Red, Red's drug ring (including recently arrested deputy) A lot of the Roadhouse stuff, I'm just chalking up to small-town slice of life business, although it's possible some of the vignettes will make sense and tie in. 14 minutes ago, Jay said: BTW, why was that weird guy in the jail cell openly bleeding in jail, and not in the hospital? I read one theory that he wasn't actually there - wasn't acknowledged by Andy/Lucy, and the deputy may well have just been yelling at the eyeless woman. The bloody man (or Billy?) may have been an apparition of the lodge. Also interesting - he seemed to interact only in repetitions, like our man Dougie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 I remain optimistic the final 4 hours will be satisfying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 The guy with the green glove... I bet there were Cockney fans cringing during his scene this week. Last time I checked, East Londoners only speak like that in the Call of Duty games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Duty games.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Romão 2,274 Posted August 15, 2017 Author Share Posted August 15, 2017 Loved this episode and I really like the scene with the guy with the green glove. This sort of detours and almost stand alone scenes, when they do work, realy elevate the show for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Poor James and Audrey, their big Twin Peaks comeback... reduced to bit parts with unknowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 And I didn't hit fast-foward either, in fact I absorbed the absurdity of the cringy nostalgia. Didn't hear the latest act though. Sorry to them, whoever they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 51 minutes ago, Quintus said: Didn't hear the latest act though. Sorry to them, whoever they were. This week's act was the first of the Roadhouse segments I found underwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 It has been a musical platform I have no interest in a fictional television series. Whenever we arrive at the Road House each week I take a sigh, because I know what it means: no opportunities left for anything good to happen. The establishing shot of the exterior heralds another predictable end to an episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Btw: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 If that is true, it means that Sarah Palmer was possessed by the bug during everything that happened in the original run. If she was aware of her predicament, then why was she so scared whenever she encountered BOB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 God knows, but I also think it's a shame, if that theory is true, that it's going to potentially undermine what I've always considered to be a very powerful element of the story - the raw and tangible hurt suffered by Sarah Palmer, as superbly played by Grace Zabriskie, who brought a grounded, heartfelt and 'real' portrait of grief stricken shock to an important character in the Twin Peaks mythos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Agreed. Although I'm sure there are ways to re-contextualize (or ret-con) her reactions in the original run based on this information. I'm just not sure how that would look like. Perhaps something to look out for the next time I see the original episodes; just to satisfy the 'consistency' geek in me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: I don't think Sarah was always possessed (even during the first two seasons). Actually, I think it was the events of Season 1 and 2 (losing her daughter, then her niece, then her husband...) that led to her becoming an easy target for an evil spirit. But if the above is true, she was possessed by the bug as a kid in the 50s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quintus 5,399 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Did anyone else notice the dodgy effects work in that shot, or perhaps even have a problem with their quality? I actually quite like how schlocky it looked, it adds to the weirdness. 6 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: IF it is true, sure. My bet is this is all we're getting on it now. Purposefully left open for debate, even though the imagery seems to suggest little in the way of genuine ambiguity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,519 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 40 minutes ago, Quintus said: Did anyone else notice the dodgy effects work in that shot, or perhaps even have a problem with their quality? I actually quite like how schlocky it looked, it adds to the weirdness. Yeah, but it's in perfect synch with many of the other FX shots in the series (Dougie coming out of socket, Original Dougie's shenanigans in the Lodge etc.). I think it's deliberately schlocky, which provides a great contrast to the FX shots and production design that are truly spectacularly beautiful (like all the black/white places). It's the 'soap opera' element now seeping into the imagery as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Yes. If we're speaking about the visual aesthetics of the show, I have zero issues with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Yup. I think that shot fits perfectly in the Twin Peaks universe. Anyone else feel like Gordon's dream would have been much more effective without his redundant narration of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 I actually kinda liked that aspect of the scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,208 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 I wonder if Phillip Jeffries would have been a guest at the Roadhouse, had Bowie lived long enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 18, 2017 Share Posted August 18, 2017 Looks like Bloodboal hangs out a bit at the Twin Peaks subreddit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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