KK 3,307 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I say we ban him for this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,723 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Well that piece of friendly advise blew spectacularly on my face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 That's what she said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,723 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Is this Shore's ghostwriter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 The real talent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Sorry, I meant Pope's ghostwriter.Shore is Sizemore's assistant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Freudian slip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 So is there anything in this context that Shore can actually take credit for that relates to composing music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Well these scores use his LOTR themes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Well these scores use his LOTR themes!Point taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,402 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The full nature theme is not used, only the end part which kind of kills what makes it so good on the album!The full nature theme is used...The only thing edited down is the new eagles theme.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,402 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I can only hear the bit from 4:34 of To the Death and not the opening of the nature theme.The opening of the nature theme is right after the eagles theme in the film... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 373 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 I don't think Thorin's theme in the middle of The Clouds Burst is in there. I'd like to have heard that used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,646 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Edits that work are still edits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Faleel 5,402 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Smaug's attack, the Dol Guldur scene and the Ravenhill finale were three sequences that were plagued with really bad music editing (tracked music, dialed out bits, etc) that completely killed the pace.Apart from those three sequences, there is nothing I found to be really jarring in the way the music was edited in the film.Smaug's attack score was brilliant. Loved all of the variations on the various Bard themes and that the music was again clearly audible in these films, and the tension and urgency of the music remained intact. Much of Smaug's material remained in the film. Couldn't see anything wrong with the pace.Mostly, but the dropped out part when Bard sees the dragon circling is a little too obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crocodile 8,040 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Given Doug's comments how the early version he saw back in October was edited "very differently" (referring to Smaug's attack), one can only speculate where things should actually go.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,723 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Given Doug's comments how the early version he saw back in October was edited "very differently" (referring to Smaug's attack), one can only speculate where things should actually go.KarolWhich also means there is probably some more music for the sequence in the upcoming EE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,723 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Given Doug's comments how the early version he saw back in October was edited "very differently" (referring to Smaug's attack), one can only speculate where things should actually go.KarolWhich also means there is probably some more music for the sequence in the upcoming EE.After the DOS EE, I wouldn't be surprised if the sequence stays the same. They seem to be leaving out quite a few things in these hobbit extended versions, the company entering The Woodland Realm and going through Dale. They also don't often add new shots to existing scenes like the LOTR EEs did so often.New interview with Doug:http://www.talltaleradio.com/episode-203-doug-adams-music-while-you-work/Nice to know they archived all the hobbit music much better than the LOTR scores.Neat! Thanks SUH! Well they did have a sort of working system in place for archiving the music this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,723 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Which means it should be easier to produce further releases and concert versions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,040 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Thanks for sharing!Speaking of which, where can I find this Conrad Pope interview that he was supposed to give some time ago?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,723 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Thanks for sharing!Speaking of which, where can I find this Conrad Pope interview that he was supposed to give some time ago?KarolWas he supposed to give an interview on an English radio show? Because he did one for a German speaking radio station where his quotes were interspersed between tracks from the BotFA soundtrack and had a person translating his English commentary to German on top of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,040 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Oh dear, what a mess. I was hoping for something like his excellent Desolation of Smaug Skype interview.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 373 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Well Luke Evans pretty much confirmed (having spoken to PJ) that the opening sequence would be longer, including that bit where Bard almost falls off a roof. You'd think the destruction of the wind lance would be made clear as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crocodile 8,040 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I wonder whether's there's more Bard the Leader theme in the EE cut. It's one of my favourite themes.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 373 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I speculated before that if there is an added scene at the end where Bard is crowned King of Dale surely a grand rendition of Bard the Leader would be most appropriate. You feel that Shore introduced the theme for a particular purpose, and this kind of pay-off to Bard's story would make the most sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,040 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Hope you two are right.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 373 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 I think we were all hoping for a Dwarven suite, and when we saw it was called 'Ironfoot' and went on for over six minutes, I guess we thought that's what we were going to get.I've been thinking about Sons of Durin. We know that parts of it are obviously in a curious order (like the music for Thorin's 'epiphany' and rallying the Dwarves near the end). Then there's the Troll/Dol Guldur army and Warg music later on we don't hear in the film, presumably for deleted parts like the chariot scene and maybe that bit mentioned in the Chronicles book where some of the company led by Bofur 'hijack' a Troll. Also, IIRC, that great version of Erebor and Thorin's theme is used twice (when they're riding off on rams and then when they reach the Ravenhill), though I could be wrong about that.This has got me thinking about how much of it is intended to apply to the sequence of events exactly as we see it. For one, you have to think it was meant to start earlier, so that the loud 'crash' right at the start accompanies the bell bursting out of the walls. If you do this, you find that the second part of Thorin's theme just about coincides with the close-up shot of Thorin steaming in, and not Bilbo running along the battlements, which makes more sense to me. It doesn't time up perfectly, which makes me think a few shots might have been cut. The most obvious suggestion for this would revolve around the fate of the Trolls in the front ranks, most of whom die before the Dwarves even reach them. Obviously they're being hit by projectiles, but from whom? I doubt it's the charging Dwarves. I suspect it's either Elven archers or the Dwarven ballistae from the trailers. I think what exactly kills the Trolls needs to be explained in the EE, so I'm expecting some quick shots to be added, which hopefully won't cause too many problems to that wonderful moment of scoring (it shouldn't if done properly).Another thought - that rendition of Erebor at 1:05. Do we think Shore intended to score Bard and the Laketowners charging in with that piece? Just speculating, but I'm wondering if some longer parts involving the Dwarves and the chariot were meant to be scored by this instead?I could really do with a precise breakdown of Sons of Durin and the scoring of the scene in question, what is used and what isn't. Guess we'll just have to wait for BB to work his magic, or at least the Blu-ray/DVD release.On a related note, I wonder if Shore ever toyed with the idea of having Khuzdul chorus over the initial version of House of Durin that begins Sons of Durin? Would have been fucking incredible combined with the choral Thorin piece, but maybe it was deemed as overkill. I'm hoping they're saving some kind of spectacular choral version of Durin for the funeral scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,040 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Or maybe he was just "saving" this chanting foir Mines of Moria sequence, which should sound larger anyway.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 373 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 Well we do get partially choral House of Durin renditions at various points - the spine-tingling 'hummed' version in Girion, Lord of Dale; that fantastic yet all-too-brief bit where they spot the statue staircase in 'Spell of Concealment'; and finally the great beginning of 'Beyond Sorrow and Grief'. I guess I just want to hear as much male chorus over the Dwarven music as possible. I know we have the grunting in the two main martial versions of House of Durin (at the end of 'Mithril' and the start of 'Sons of Durin'), but I was thinking of something more substantial, with actual (Neo-)Khuzdul lyrics (more like that snippet in 'Spell of Concealment') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crocodile 8,040 Posted January 25, 2015 Share Posted January 25, 2015 And partially wrong!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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