Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I can't wait to see the terrible CGI! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 It seriously looked like something out of Harry Potter. And what's really weird? Maz's CGI was FLAWLESS. She was a great character, perfectly realized with great CGI! They must have re-designed Snoke late in the process, and agreed on Maz's design early, or something. Odd to have such great and bad CGI characters in the same movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I do agree than Snoke was underwritten, but on the other hand am glad there is something left to discover (despite the retreads of the OT) in the next films.They must have re-designed Snoke late in the process,Serkis (I think?) did say that they kept finding things to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Snoke's presence was fine, but rather redundant. He really stuck out though in an otherwise handsome looking film.Kylo Ren's character doesn't do much to either strike fear in the audience or gain sympathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Plus it was odd that Ren and Hux were like... equals in the film? They both could just wander in and out of that chamber they talked to Snoke in, and he gave them both independent commands, and they seemed to kind of be able to tell the other what to do at times too? Their relationships all around were not clearly defined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I can't wait to see the terrible CGI!Snoke is the only aspect of TFA rendered poorly, and even then I've seen ILM do worse (Crystal Skull anyone?).All other VFX shots look great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 There's tons of really great CGI throughout the film, but there's more bad CGI than just Snoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I didn't really have much of a problem with that. Though I guess you could argue what about Hux makes him so bold to challenge someone who could use the Force to easily destory them.All 3 characters were basically shadowing similar roles from the OT anyway, so you never really feel compelled to scrutinize that much. But the Kylo Ren character seemed a bit directionless, like the writers didn't quite know what to do with him. Is he supposed to be the new Darth Vader? Is he the victim in all this? Is he supposed to help us understand the Force? Driver's performance showed none of that and was strangely ambiguous, and not in a good way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 the Kylo Ren character seemed a bit directionless, like the writers didn't quite know what to do with him. Is he supposed to be the new Darth Vader? Is he the victim in all this? Is he supposed to help us understand the Force?Oooh, see, I don't agree with you there... I thought that was handled well, in fact! In other words, I think its great that we don't know exactly if he's the true villain, a tortured good guy, a victim, etc. Because I think he doesn't even know. I don't think there's bad writing here, I think its cool they finally have a "grey" villain instead of the stock "definitely good" and "definitely bad" characters in all the other films. Maybe they can do with him what they should have been able to do with Anakin, in a way.Driver's performance showed none of that and was strangely ambiguous, and not in a good way.Adam Driver is a terrible actor. I hate him on Girls and anything else I've seen him in. But he didn't make my skin crawl here like he does in other things. I think a lot more about his character will be revealed in the next film that may help us understand his performance here. I dunno.Another way he was mis-cast is that he's too old! They should have cast an actor in his early twenties like they did for Rey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I don't disagree with you there Jay. I'm all for grey characters, but maybe its something about the delivery that didn't quite sell it to me.For instance, Han's death wasn't as emotionally engaging as it could have been, just because we don't really know how to feel about this Kylo Ren character. We know so little about him.Which is fine because I'm sure that's what the other films will be doing. But it doesn't help the film pull off certain stunts like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 I don't disagree with you there Jay. I'm all for grey characters, but maybe its something about the delivery that didn't quite sell it to me. Gotcha. Maybe he just has too much of a baby face to be an intimidating character. He was quite different with the mask on vs off! For instance, Han's death was as emotionally engaging as it could have been, just because we don't really know how to feel about this Kylo Ren character. We know so little about him. Yup, totally completely agreed. I wonder if there are scenes JJ deleted that would embellish their characters and relationship better? Which is fine because I'm sure that's what the other films will be doing. But it doesn't help the film pull off certain stunts like that. It's too late to go into Han and Ren's backstory now that Han's dead. Now they'll focus on Luke being willing to train Rey to take him down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 There's tons of really great CGI throughout the film, but there's more bad CGI than just Snoke.Snoke for me was the only bad CGI that stuck out. I do think Abrams' waffling on the look did play a huge factor. Perhaps Lucasfilm should've hired Weta to do the Snoke shots. They did an amazing job on Smaug, even after Peter Jackson changed the look close to the film's release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Which is fine because I'm sure that's what the other films will be doing. But it doesn't help the film pull off certain stunts like that.It's too late to go into Han and Ren's backstory now that Han's dead. Now they'll focus on Luke being willing to train Rey to take him downWell, we do still have Leia.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Other bad CGI:-CGI Rey thrown at a tree by Ren-CGI Falcon busting through snow-covered trees on the Starkiller-ground collapsing during end saber battlesYes, overall, the CGI was very good. And the practical effects were spectacular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Another way he was mis-cast is that he's too old! They should have cast an actor in his early twenties like they did for Rey.Depends on who's kid Rey is..30 years between Jedi and TFA, I could see Luke (if Rey turned out the be his daughter) waiting longer to get married and have a kid than Han. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Adam Driver looks like he's 35, though!Looking it up, I see he's 32, so was 31 when filmed... but he LOOKS like a mid-thirties guy, not a twenty-something guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I feel like they were trying to stuff down the "tragic" father-son dynamic down our throats through the almost cringeworthy exposition between Fisher and Ford. Too bad all those scenes felt like both actors thought what they were spewing out was bs.Another way he was mis-cast is that he's too old! They should have cast an actor in his early twenties like they did for Rey.Depends on who's kid Rey is..30 years between Jedi and TFA, I could see Luke (if Rey turned out the be his daughter) waiting longer to get married and have a kid than Han.I really hope not! For once, it'd be nice if the Force just picked someone outside of the Skywalker family to bring balance again. But somehow, I'm not sure that'll be the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 But that's the thing. The film keeps hammering home that Luke is "the last Jedi".If any random person in the galaxy can be born with Force-sensitivity at any random time, then that loses all meaning.I mean, shit, Rey figured out how to Jedi Mind Trick AND Force Pull completely on her own with zero training whatsoever.So what does "training" even matter? What is the difference between a "jedi" and "a person who can use the force to bend the law of physics" at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It's kind of wierd watching this film, while reading the old EU Book series where Han's son becomes a Sith Lord... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 But that's the thing. The film keeps hammering home that Luke is "the last Jedi".If any random person in the galaxy can be born with Force-sensitivity at any random time, then that loses all meaning.Can't the Force kind of pick people at random? It'd be cooler that way. Why does everyone in the damn galaxy have to be related to each other?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 If the Force can randomly pick people, then why is finding Luke so important? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I mean, shit, Rey figured out how to Jedi Mind Trick AND Force Pull completely on her own with zero training whatsoever.So what does "training" even matter? What is the difference between a "jedi" and "a person who can use the force to bend the law of physics" at this point?Yes. I thought that was strange too. I mean using the Force to move things at first is fine. But mind trick powers seemed just a bit too much for someone who literally just learnt they could use the Force the day before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 But that's the thing. The film keeps hammering home that Luke is "the last Jedi".If any random person in the galaxy can be born with Force-sensitivity at any random time, then that loses all meaning.Can't the Force kind of pick people at random?Does the Force actually pick anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 If the force can randomly pick people, then why is finding Luke so important?I'm guessing they didn't know there was another Force-sensitive one? And they needed his guidance? Plus he is the last truly trained Jedi master.But that's the thing. The film keeps hammering home that Luke is "the last Jedi".If any random person in the galaxy can be born with Force-sensitivity at any random time, then that loses all meaning.Can't the Force kind of pick people at random?Does the Force actually pick anyone?I figured its a whole natural selection/evolution type thing. Which means it doesn't always have to be hereditary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Maybe that's why they had one line of dialogue mention that Luke found "the first Jedi temple", or something like that. Maybe he has finally learned more than what Yoda was able to teach him in such a short time, and we'll see cool Force powers in Episode 8 we've never seen in the first 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 That could be it. I'm sure we'll see more new Jedi abilities in E8 that we've never seen in the past films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 I hope so, that'd be really cool and interesting!I quite enjoyed the "style" of the lightsaber fights in this movie. Raw and un-choreographed, because the good guys had no training and Ren was bleeding from his hip. They felt different from both the OT saber fights and the PT saber fights!But its a shame that JJ had the saber fights edited with such quick cuts, it made it hard to follow what was going on at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The action was shot a bit too close, but I didn't have any issues with the editing.BTW, I loved the laser blast being frozen by the force and then released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 That last shot wasn't that great, but the rest was. A wonderful movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 BTW, I loved the laser blast being frozen by the force and then released.That was really cool! SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 BTW, I loved the laser blast being frozen by the force and then released.That was really cool!Agreed! As was the rest of the film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 That last shot wasn't that great, but the rest was. A wonderful movie. Probably would have worked better as a stationary shot with the vast ocean and setting sun behind them. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 That last shot wasn't that great, but the rest was. A wonderful movie. Probably would have worked better as a stationary shot with the vast ocean and setting sun behind them. Yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Are there any shots in the old trailers that didn't make the final cut of the film? Are there any shots in the old trailers that didn't make the final cut of the film?Yeah, quite a few actually.In the first teaser: 00:39-00:40, 00:49In the second teaser: 00:52, 01:07 (I think), 01:21In the trailer: 01:29, 01:43 (I think)Plus there were a few more shots that appeared in TV spots that I noticed were missing in the film.Wow, some of those are surprising!That famous shot of Finn and Poe with the camera rotating around them really wasn't in the film?There's a scene taking place in the same location, with Finn and Poe meeting there and hugging. But that moment with that intense look: not there!About that: I paid close attention when that scene came on tonight, and I am pretty sure it was the exact same shot as in the old trailer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It definitely was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Was the shot of Rey crying from 1:45 of the third video above in the final film? I don't recall it!Wait, maybe it was during / after her vision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 It's definitely in there, after the final saber battle, when Chewie rescued them at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Oh, so that's her in the woods with Finn on the ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The light on her face was from the Falcon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Gotcha.Interesting how many other shots from the old trailers were not in the film (BB cataloged them in a post quoted above) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 What did everyone think of that one unbroken shot with focus going back and forth between Poe battling in the sky and the action with Finn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 Very cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 By the way, I couldn't be happier that I missed everything the last two months. Made the experience completely fresh. I hadn't even heard the characters speak. Even little moments that are in the trailer (which I watched just now, after the movie), such as seeing Poe and Finn reunite. That's a little moment, but it's still something that I'm glad I didn't see. Made the impact even greater in my viewing experience when it happened. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indianagirl 298 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Just got back from having seen the movie. I'm tired and I'm going to bed. Word's can't describe how dissapointed I am in this. It made the prequels look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Honestly, I think the relationship between Han and his son was developed well enough, and intentionally, through the bits of dialogue pertaining to their history as well as the overall acting, in place of drawn out exposition or, worse, the dreaded flashback, which is not a Star Wars staple.There was a lot of story to cover and I felt the emotional pull during that final moment between them. The conflict and sadness was prevalent in the way Adam Driver played it, an actor I'm completely unfamiliar with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 There's always one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now