Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Were they really still worrying about reel changes in 2003?Why wouldnt they have been?A lot of cinemas switched to digital projection from Attack of the Clones onward did they not? No need to worry about reel changes if that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 LOL AOTC was in 2002, ROTK was just one year later. digitally shot films were extremely rare still at the time. You really think every cinema switched just because of one Star Wars film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 I've read that a lot did but I could be wrong. EDIT: A quick look online shows that the digital switch over took a bit more time than that. So yeah, there's a good chance that by 2003 they would still have been worrying about reel changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Told ya!Most cinema's showed AOTC on film rather then digital. Like most cinema's showed The Hobbit: AUJ in 24 fps rather then 48. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 LOL AOTC was in 2002, ROTK was just one year later. digitally shot films were extremely rare still at the time.Not only that, but there's also the fact that most of ROTK had already been shot in 2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Bilbo in not stating ROTK was shot digitally my dear Alvar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 But you did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Show me the quote where I said that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 No, I was suggesting that by the time ROTK came out most theatres had not yet converted to digital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 It doesn't sound like this at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 The LOTR trilogy was shot mostly on the older, deliberately soft Eastman EXR 200T 35mm film stock, which then went through 2K DI (digital Intermediate - where they do all the grading, digital diffusion and FX), then recorded and blown up back to a Super 35 IN (internegative) and IP (interpositive) for old school projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 The LOTR trilogy was shot mostly on the older, deliberately soft Eastman EXR 200T 35mm film stock, which then went through 2K DI (digital Intermediate - where they do all the grading, digital diffusion and FX), then recorded and blown up back to a Super 35 IN (internegative) and IP (interpositive) for old school projection.Those were the days! The good old days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Before PJ adapted Pixar as a role model for colour grading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Before PJ adapted Pixar as a role model for colour grading.Yeap. As unearthly as Rivendell looks in AUJ it has a wicked plastic sheen to it. And it is not the only place. Colour grading is not the only culprit but rather the amount of CG put in place of real sets in actual forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 PixarNot right for LotR or the Hobbit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 PixarTogether with your avatar on the left side, that comment gives me a funny feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 PixarThat explains it all...Did AUJ suffer from the dreaded teal-orange juxtaposition like so many other movies these days? I've only seen the movie once back in December and can't recall if it did.There are some moments where it does, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 48 fps didn't do the believability of the CGI any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Yep. There's some green there, but orange and teal predominate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 It is not like CSI Miami though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 In images, it looks great. It's when it starts to move where the problem begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Just compare AUJ Rivendell to FOTR Rivendell, and you'll what I mean. Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 In images, it looks great. It's when it starts to move where the problem begins.I have been watching other movies in HD and find that some of their "movie magic sheen" is lost with the sharp image that turns them closer to a TV-show played in a studio or a documentary or a *shudder^* a reality show rather than having a very filmic effect. In the AUJ 48fps in some of the close ups the movements became hysterically funny because they speed up almost as if in fast forwarding. Again not a colour grading issue but rather related to how sharp the image and how fast the 48 fps is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 In images, it looks great. It's when it starts to move where the problem begins.Good job Rivendell is very architectural and can't move!I meant in moving camera shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Yes, we should all go back to VHS and DVD because movies look like movies there.Rubbish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Yes, we should all go back to VHS and DVD because movies look like movies there. Rubbish! We're talking about how a film was recorded, not home media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Yes, we should all go back to VHS and DVD because movies look like movies there.Rubbish!I am rather saying that my eye has not gotten used to the HD look yet (I do not own a HD TV) and so every time I see HD material it looks a bit off to me. AUJ felt similarly off when I saw it in the theater (both in 2D and 3D). Maybe I have become more accustomed to it by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 In images, it looks great. It's when it starts to move where the problem begins.I have been watching other movies in HD and find that some of their "movie magic sheen" is lost with the sharp image that turns them closer to a TV-show played in a studio or a documentary or a *shudder^* a reality show rather than having a very filmic effect. In the AUJ 48fps in some of the close ups the movements became hysterically funny because they speed up almost as if in fast forwarding. Again not a colour grading issue but rather related to how sharp the image and how fast the 48 fps is.It's the exact same speed isn't it? I didn't really notice speeding up, it just looked a little odd because everything was so much smoother.It looks very odd even though it is in that same speed. Annoyingly sped up movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Any news about DoS being released in HFR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 1. Of course it will be.2. Why do you post this in the LotR thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 In images, it looks great. It's when it starts to move where the problem begins.I have been watching other movies in HD and find that some of their "movie magic sheen" is lost with the sharp image that turns them closer to a TV-show played in a studio or a documentary or a *shudder^* a reality show rather than having a very filmic effect. In the AUJ 48fps in some of the close ups the movements became hysterically funny because they speed up almost as if in fast forwarding. Again not a colour grading issue but rather related to how sharp the image and how fast the 48 fps is.I was at a friend's house last night, and she has one of those TVs with a higher "scan" rate or whatever. The result is essentially the same as 48fps in film. An episode of Modern Family looks as though it were a home movie you shot standing behind Ed O'Neil with a handheld camera. It's not a matter of "progress" or "getting used to it." It's a fundamental aesthetic problem. It looks too real. You might say that that's the point, to make things more immersive, and yet audiences for many decades have had no issue being immersed by traditional filming techniques. However paradoxical it is, one of the linchpins of immersion and cinema magic is to present things through that flat, dreamy lens we're all so familiar with. I don't think 48fps will last. Ludwig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Any news about DoS being released in HFR?It definitely is being released in HFR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Do we care, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Do we care, though?Well Stefancos asked. SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 So, Pixar + Michael Bay = The Hobbit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,360 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Just compare AUJ Rivendell to FOTR Rivendell, and you'll what I mean.FOTR Rivendell is in Autumn, AUJ Rivendell is in summer. both physically and metaphorically. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Just compare AUJ Rivendell to FOTR Rivendell, and you'll what I mean.FOTR Rivendell is in Autumn, AUJ Rivendell is in summer. both physically and metaphorically.And summer necessarily means teal & orange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I like this picture though. It looks beautiful to me.The Goblintown sequence had plenty of that teal vs. orange thing going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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