Red 75 Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Does it really matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 I thought you hated being called Steef? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 It does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Why?Rabbit--curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 One is my name, the other is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 One could be your name if you let people call you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 What is your name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 I always assumed you didn't really have a problem with 'Steef', but a lot more with 'Stef'...And, uh-- why you're not replying to PM's anymore? Or is that only with me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Vosk innitially spelled Stef.As for PM's, I have not answered several today.All in good time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Well I was thinking opposite of Roald, I always thought you hated "Steef" so I typed it "Stef". Anyways guess it doesn't really matter in the end. lolTime to ... "Move along, move along". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 EDIT: Yeah... why didn't somebody tell me the first time so I wouldn't have done it again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Dude, edit your post and delete the links. Marc (our mod) deleted your post before. Posting links like that is NOT allowed. Stefancos was just being sarcastic when he said for you to post them. I think you can get banned for posting links like that repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 EDIT: Yeah, that would explain the feeling of deja vu I'd been having regarding this. If only someone had bothered to tell me the first time.So yeah, PMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Ferstat 0 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 An overdue contribution.Something I forgot to include in my last post, now some months back. In "The Living Daylights", the track "Airbase Jailbreak" should actually be titled "Airbase and Jailbreak", as it's music from two separate scenes. Of course, there's no music between them in the film, and they're in the correct sequence, but some people may prefer to separate them.A question.Is the underscore for the trailer available anywhere? I think it's a terrific reworking of the JB theme, and Luke Skywalker's excellent covers really make me want to include it with the CR score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V_For_Vendetta 0 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 The music played in the 1st trailer.Includes a choral rendition of the James bond theme.Do you have the one that have the drums and percussion? Cause i want that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I'm a bit confused here. Somebody posted this at FSM: It's a slightly incorrect tracklisting on David Arnold's website, I'm afraid.I saw the film today again and noticed that "Solange" does in fact come exactly between "CCTV" and "Bedside Computer" (from the iTunes extended version).If there's another discrepancy I don't know or did not notice.But somehow I think "The Tell" also appears later as in this list but I'm not sure yet.So, the complete tracklist, for now, should go like this:* Licence: 2 Kills* You Know My Name (Unreleased Film Version)* Reveal Le Chiffre* Mongoose Vs Snake* Bombers Away* African Rundown* Nothing Sinister* Push Them Overboard* Unauthorised Access* Blunt Instrument* CCTV* Solange* Bedside Computer* Trip Aces* Miami International* Beep Beep Beep Bang* I’m The Money* Aston Montenegro* Dinner Jackets* The Tell* The Inhaler* Stairwell Fight* Vesper* Bond Loses It All* Brother From Langley* Dirty Martini* Bond Wins It All* The End Of An Aston Martin* Prelude To A Beating* The Bad Die Young* Coming Around* I’m Yours* City Of Lovers* The Switch* Fall Of A House In Venice* Running To The Elevator* Death Of Vesper* The Bitch Is Dead* The Name’s Bond… James Bond* You Know My Name (Unreleased & Abridged Film Version) So anybody saw the film twenty times and has got a definitive track list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 It could be that they were written for one scene and used in another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 18, 2006 Share Posted December 18, 2006 We should trust arnold in this one... or not?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCat 0 Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Hey folks! I found this discussion through Rob and thought I'd join in. I'm currently writing a book on the subject, have some nice documentations and I'll happily answer any questions about James Bond music, whether its sequencing, unreleased pieces or anything like that. Just please don't ask for unreleased music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 When are we getting a complete Moonraker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCat 0 Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Why, want one? The official answer - as soon as we get a sponsor and fork out a fee for the rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Who is we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCat 0 Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 People who want the score released. I usually say "Bond fans", but I'd like to include everybody interested in this selection. So collect the money, we'll get to Paris and we can start working right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 If only it was that simple.Does EMI still hold the rights to most of the Bond scores now that the franchise is owned by Sony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCat 0 Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Well, that's the most expensive part of the whole business. I'll just settle for my copy of the score.As for further re-releases of a possible series, we're in the unlucky situation that roughly half of the scores have releases that can not really be improved, but it wouldn't make sense to release only the other half with extensions - an expanded AVTAK would never sell on its own. What I can imagine is a relase similar to the 30th anniversary double CD.The soundtrack rights were always a separate thing to the movies, and some rights are still owned by other labels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 I don't have the complete DAD score (Unfortunately...) so can anyone tell me how to edit On the Beach and Surf's Up together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 I don't have the complete DAD score (Unfortunately...) so can anyone tell me how to edit On the Beach and Surf's Up together?Simple:"On the Beach" (0:00-0:20)"Surf's Up" (whole track)"On the Beach" (0:20-end)In other words, insert "Surf's Up" at 0:20 into "On the Beach". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Thanks, that's what I figured but wanted to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I gotta say...License to Kill is terrible. It sounds....lazy and clumsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 You have got to be kidding me right? It's an indredible good action score. Florian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 You have got to be kidding me right? It's an indredible good action score.Disagree. As a stand-alone, I guess it's an average score, nothing bad, but as a Bond score, it's just....lazy. The versions of the Bond theme in it are terrible, and the rest just seems to be generic action fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I couldn't disagree more. Kamen's score is excellent, and I love the way the Bond theme is incorporated. It's my second-favourite non-Barry Bond score (after Live and Let Die). I also like the Spanish influences, very appropriate for the film. Florian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 I couldn't disagree more. Kamen's score is excellent, and I love the way the Bond theme is incorporated. It's my second-favourite non-Barry Bond score (after Live and Let Die). I also like the Spanish influences, very appropriate for the film.I also like Live and Let Die a lot. It's a really well done score, and it doesn't really break the flow of the series, it's one Barry himself could have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 With Live and Let Die, Martin built on Barry's style, without being slavishly loyal to it, or completely throwing it out the window. That's ideal, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 With the exception of the title song I've never been too fond of Live And Let Die but Michael Kamen's License To Kill is a very good Bond score. Given Kamen' success with songs it's too bad the producers didn't let him write the title song.The only bad thing is that either Kamen didn't write much or there is a ton of unreleased music that didn't make the film or album because alot of the cues are repeated thru out the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 The scoring of Licence to Kill was pretty hectic, from what I've heard. Five (!!) composers on the title song, and as you say, a lot of tracking and looping of the music, which suggest heavy re-editing of the film in post-production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 And it's not even a good song. I would have loved to hear a Kamen/Bond song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCat 0 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 The complete Kamen score in the movie is roughly 80 minutes, but it's hard to say because there are lots of odd cuts here and there. Many parts have been cut out from the album for obvius reasons - such as those little pizzicato cues at the end of the first cue of 'His Funny Valentine' - there are 3 of them on the album as opposed to the eleven in the movie! And of course there's lots of unreleased music - roughly 50 cues are unreleased or partially unreleased. The album surprisingly misses two great opportunities to stabilish Kamen's score as better than average. First, there are many great action cues that are left out, which is where LTK was VERY strong. Another odd thing is that they skipped many of the arrangements of Pam's Theme, which sounds even better in its various inclusions. My personal favourite is a cocktail piano arrangement which was composed as a source piece for the casino sequences. And without the finale cue (yes, another Pam-variation), the album just feels dangling in the air.There are obvious faults however that are really hard to sell for the average buyer - there is lots of suspense cue that do not make a compelling listen and many are quite short. The other thing is the extreme number of reused cues - not themes, the actual cues! I knew it was an existing phenomenon, but only when I listened to the full score the first time did I realize how excessive this phenomenon is. One lesser known example: they reused the same cue for the scene where Bond is reading Felix's computer (after escaping the Wavekrest) and after he has immolated Sanchez. What the strangest thing is that in both cases, there is a hint at Pam in the cue, and it fits both scenes! In the first case, it appears when Bond reads the name Bouvier, P. on the list. In the second scene, it's played when Pam appears with the truck! I found it strange when I first spotted this, but taking into consideration how it happens with more obvious and larger cues, it's not surprising at all.Five (!!) composers on the title song...Two of those composers never touched the song. In fact, they weren't even credited on the original releases, only after some legal eagles pointed out it's not fair not to credit Barry and Bricusse if you've "borrowed" from them. Those two names were only added for subsequent releases (such as Best of CDs) and of course there was a nice financial deal worked out as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Cat 0 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 hello.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 hello..I'll give LTK another shot, I guess...I only made it about halfway through the score before putting in another one instead. So far there are only 3 Bond scores that I'm actually totally let down by: The Spy Who Loved Me, License to Kill, and of course, that video game sounding assault of Nintendo noise, GoldenEye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCat 0 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 One more thing about LTK before re-listening: you might want to skip the oddball pop songs. So just get tracks 4 and 6-10 for pure Kamen fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 I guess it would make sense to credit Barry since the song borrows heavily from Goldfinger. The song that closes the film is actually better than the opening one and received quite a bit of radio play, and still does on those flashback to the past days.So basically you're saying that there was a alot of music that was recorded and not used in the film or issued on the album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaderbait1 1 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I always skip any pop songs other than the title and the few end credit ones. To this day I still wonder why composers allow that shite on their albums. Money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Most composers don't have any say on what gets put on their album.If MCA wanted songs there, they do it, wether Kamen likes it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Steef is correct, Kamen probably had no say on the songs being included.If anyone hasn't heard LTK and wonders what it sounds like, imagine Bond meets Die Hard with a Spanish/South American flavor added to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Except of course LTK has a lot more sustained action music in it then Die hard.But Mark is basically correct.The song BTW gets worse the more I hear it, it seem to go on forever. And for some reason it doesn't feel like a Bond song, even though it has a women with some strong vocal chords and wailing trombones in it.It's like Motown trying to do a cheap imitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCat 0 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Regarding the ammount of music, about 30 minutes is on the soundtrack, rouglhy 65 minutes were written in total and about 15 MORE minutes are used in the movie as tracked pieces from other scenes. The ammount of unused music (recorded but not used in the picture) is only about 3%, some scenes that have been edited in post-production and the cues were edited accordingly (such as the end of 'Sanchez Is In The Bahamas').About MCA's policy on soundtracks, their primary goal was to boost their artists' career with linking them to the picture - they weren't particularly interested in the score as such. Gladys Knight just went solo if I remember correctly, while the LaBelle song was attached to the picture later (wasn't written for the movie per see). The rest of the "songs" by Ivory and Tim Feehan are free bonuses for members of the Ivory & Tim Feehan Fan Club. At least we didn't get to hear the all important source song "La Bamba". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I really think LTK would not have such a bum rep if they had done a proper release. There are a few themes in the score (though nothing like Barry usually writes) but if you listen to the CD you would think there is no recurring thematic material apart from the Bond theme and a 2 note figure that pops up in several tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I think the one thing that hurts the score was the lack of a theme from the title song that Kamen could have used in the picture. If Kamen would have quoted the actual song used then it would come across sounding like a rip-off of Goldfinger. As mentioned above it's a shame Kamen didn't get to write the title song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 36 Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 I really think LTK would not have such a bum rep if they had done a proper release... I completely agree. It's such a shame it didn't get one with the other re-releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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