ThePenitentMan1 744 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Cindylover1969 and Tallguy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,403 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Love is clearly the key. Although Jerry wrote the melody to A Star Beyond Time and Paul Williams wrote Flying Dreams. So maybe love is the bridge? No, it's a lovely melody but a terrible song. It's the key. ThePenitentMan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,605 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 I like some songs based on Jerry Goldsmith themes, but I'm honestly not a big fan of either of these... I abstain. Yavar GerateWohl and Cindylover1969 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,395 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 15 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: I like some songs based on Jerry Goldsmith themes "My True Love's Eyes" is my favourite. Second probably "Ave Satani". Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,105 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, GerateWohl said: Second probably "Ave Satani". That's lovely. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,605 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Just now, GerateWohl said: "My True Love's Eyes" is my favourite. Second probably "Ave Satani". Absolutely agreed on those two! "It's a Long Road" is also high up there for me. I think his main theme from Papillon is absolutely fantastic in song form. And it's not like I always think the lyrics to Goldsmith melodies are great, but there are plenty of Goldsmith melodies which just work really well in song form: The Last Run, or "Our Last Night" from The Don Is Dead, for example. It's not a *great* album or anything (I don't love all the performances), but that BSX Jerry Goldsmith Songbook disc still is evidence that "The Dark Song" from The Detective and especially "May Wine" from The Blue Max are great song melodies. Oh hey, since you love "My True Love's Eyes" as I do, you may find this song "My Parents' Child" which he wrote for an episode of The Waltons to be of interest (this is not one of the six episodes he did the instrumental scoring for just FYI, but the episode's composer is adapting the song melody that Goldsmith wrote for the episode in pre-production): The musical phrase that hits “tomorrow’s child” (and earlier “my parent’s child”) in this song reminds me very strongly of the “my true love’s eyes” musical phrase in, well, Jerry’s song of that same title from Legend. Anyone else hear it? It's almost like this song is the missing link between The Ballad of Cable Hogue's "Tomorrow Is the Song I Sing" and Legend. I'd love to hear a newly-recorded (and better performed) version of it some day on album. Yavar GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,542 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 27 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: "It's a Long Road" is also high up there for me. His best song (and one of the best themes). Yavar Moradi and Tallguy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,105 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 I don't understand the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 744 Posted April 8 Author Share Posted April 8 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: I don't understand the question. 6 hours ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: Love is the Bridge = Star Beyond Time = Star Trek: TMP Love is the Key = Flying Dreams = Secret of: NIMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tallguy 3,403 Posted April 8 Popular Post Share Posted April 8 12 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I don't understand the question. Vejur expects an answer. An answer? I don't know the question! Jurassic Shark, Tom Guernsey, Yavar Moradi and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,214 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 3 hours ago, Tallguy said: Vejur expects an answer. An answer? I don't know the question! That didn't stop Deep Thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,403 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 EDIT: TOTALLY wrong thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,287 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 13 hours ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: Love is the Bridge = Star Beyond Time = Star Trek: TMP Love is the Key = Flying Dreams = Secret of: NIMH Glad someone could explain as I couldn't work out the other one as the YouTube clip isn't available. Have to admit that neither of them do much for me. Flying Dreams is the only bit about NIMH I don't like (else it's more or less a perfect score of Ravel-ian loveliness). The song is incredibly cloying, with sickly sweet lyrics and performance/production that only makes it worse. Best enjoyed as an unsung melody. I had totally forgotten about A Star Beyond Time... the lyrics are pretty bad, but the the guitars and orchestra arrangement is actually pretty effective. Whereas the Flying Dreams arrangement makes the melody sound more syrupy, this one actually cuts through it. The only analogy I can think of is like adding acid to cooking... it enhances the flavour by making it a little less rich. So I hope that's helped. Jerry's themes, a bit like JW's (of this sort... the lyrical, could be a song, type), are almost too rich and expressive on their own so adding words is very much a lily gilding exercise so it all too easily to descends into schmaltz. Yavar Moradi and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,563 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 21 hours ago, Tallguy said: Vejur expects an answer. An answer? I don't know the question! Each of us, at some time in our lives, turns to a father, a brother, a JWfaner, and asks: "A choice between a crappy song and a not-so-crappy song? Is this all that there is? Is there nothing more?" Tallguy and ThePenitentMan1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,605 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 9 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: Have to admit that neither of them do much for me. Flying Dreams is the only bit about NIMH I don't like (else it's more or less a perfect score of Ravel-ian loveliness). The song is incredibly cloying, with sickly sweet lyrics and performance/production that only makes it worse. Best enjoyed as an unsung melody. This is 100% exactly how I feel about The Secret of NIMH. I think it's all wonderful... except for that damn song, which is cloying and obnoxious. Maybe not quite as bad as "I Want to Be a Sailor" in Miklos Rozsa's otherwise-wonderful score to The Thief of Bagdad, but it's up there. Yavar Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cindylover1969 32 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 744 Posted April 14 Author Share Posted April 14 I'll be honest, with most scores, I tend to be perfectly fine with dropping the score's associated songs. NIMH, though, is the exception. Flying Dreams is as beautiful as the rest of the score, and I can't see myself ever listening to the score and skipping either of its iterations. (It probably helps that I really only listen to it on special occasions. I have plenty of other "comfort food" scores... NIMH's a special treat that I don't want to over-listen to!) Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,563 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 A QQ regarding PATTON. Is the score on the audio channel of the DVD (the channel on the documentary, on the second disc) complete. If not, what's missing? It runs for approximately 32 minutes, which doesn't seem that long for a near three hour film. Just wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,605 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 "A model of economy and judicious spotting, the score clocks in at little more than a half hour in length" https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/22/Patton--The-Flight-of-the-Phoenix/ Judicious spotting is one of Jerry Goldsmith's trademarks. Only a handful of his scores don't fit on a single disc. Yavar Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,563 Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Goldsmith and Schaffner: a winning combination that most modern director/composer combos can't even hope to emulate. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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