Guest Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I feel like as time goes on, movies are going to get worse before they get better. I feel like the better movies are behind us, rather than in front of us. Why? What makes old movies superior to the ones that are released today? (or at least why does it seem that way?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 uhm, because they are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Commercialism degrades everything in which it is allowed to fester.Lets stop making movies, people will have to actually watch old movies then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 It seems that way, TliJ, because of the nostalgic element. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Heh, well good movies are still made. Just many area's have lost standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Nostalgia actually came to mind as a reason, AI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Movies are easier to make nowadays. So more and more talentless hacks get to shoot their poor clichéd script with all their little capability and all the great technology in the world.In the old days, making a movie involved a lot of harder work, what without computers and such. So fewer films got made, which meant producers had to be very careful abut who would be involved. They got the best professionals, and the best results were more frequent.Professionalism is so expensive these days - everybody wants (and claims) to be the new Spielberg, the new Scorsese, the new Hitchcock... Everybody wants a shot at movies. And everybody gets it, apparently, because it's so easy to make movies nowadays. I wish most of these people stayed in TV, where everything's more ephimeral.It's a lot cheaper to hire somebody who knows how to type into a computer than to hire hundreds of professionals to do the work. And besides, it's a touch of quality for a producer to discover "the new big talent". So they are all looking for new geniuses in colleges.Of course, you must also think that the golden days are so far behind, most bad movies are forgotten. In 50, 70 years nobody will remember the remake of The Italian Job, or Bad Boys II.-Ross, who thinks the Golden Era of movies is yet to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I agree with lots you said, Ender. Commercialism is the huge motive as of late. Films like Spiderman. Of course, in the past, movie companies also had to make some movies which they knew would be sucessfull and keep thier companies afloat. Ben Hur (the 50's version) was made for that purpose. But you get the impression that film makers then cared much more about their art and the sheer love of making the movie. Something like "Apocalypse Now" was a personal movie of Coppola. It was made with the money from his Godfather movies. Those movies had given him the cash to construct American Zoetrope and make "Apocalypse". The movie has "My movie" stamped all over it. He took massive gambles and never really knew if he could pull it off. He wanted everything perfect in the movie and it almost drove him nuts. In terms of commercialism, a lot of British movies still manage to remain in the roots of good film making and story. They seem to go less for the cash generating "Big blockbuster" and focus more on making a "Fine film". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,367 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I think you're looking in the wrong places. You're still hoping that Spiderman, The Hulk, Blah Blah, are gonna surprise you and leave some sort of great impression that lasts for weeks. Hello, breaking news, they won't! If you feel betrayed by today's popcorn movies then it's time to move on up. Go see something else! Go hire The Apostel, a movie that Robert Duvall made with all his heart. After that talk again we shall. ----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I think you're looking in the wrong places. You're still hoping that Spiderman, The Hulk, Blah Blah, are gonna surprise you and leave some sort of great impression that lasts for weeks. Hello, breaking news, they won't! If you feel betrayed by today's popcorn movies then it's time to move on up. Go see something else! Go hire The Apostel, a movie that Robert Duvall made with all his heart. After that talk again we shall. C'mon now. No need to speak to us like we're complete fools. Nobody here would of expected something like Spiderman to be a thought provoking revelation. I simply used it as an example of the kind of pap which makes up 80% of the U.S film industry as of late. I did'nt even go and see it in the cinema. I saw it on video in Thailand as i had nothing to do one evening. Those types of movies have been around for a long time. But in the not so distant past, you would get a "higher" percentage of good movies alongside them. It seems that we're getting a higher percentage of junk films purely designed to "Rake in the cash", with fewer well made films recently. That's the worrying trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nja 0 Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 I think you're looking in the wrong places. You're still hoping that Spiderman, The Hulk, Blah Blah, are gonna surprise you and leave some sort of great impression that lasts for weeks. Hello, breaking news, they won't! If you feel betrayed by today's popcorn movies then it's time to move on up. Go see something else! Go hire The Apostel, a movie that Robert Duvall made with all his heart. After that talk again we shall. ----------------Alex CremersIn regards to the ?anybody can do it? phenomenon, although that may be behind an increase in the number of films made (and some unbelievably horrible stuff), the other side of the coin is that it enables some really fine artistic directors to make pictures that would never be produced by major studios. IMO, there are some fine films being made out there, but just that they tend to be overshadowed by the commercialized ?give-em-what-they-want? blockbusters. It seems that many of the films that will likely be remembered are lower budget films (with exceptions of MR, LOTR and so forth).Might the trend toward ?in your face? special effects and tacky CGI be an attempt by Hollywood to capitalize on film categories that independent film makers can?t reproduce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Movies like "The Hill" (one of my favourite films) comes to mind. No music. No special effects. Just set in a small military prison in North Africa. Yet utterly engrossing. It goes to show that we dont nescessarily need to be "wowed" to be impressed, as long as the script is good. The characters in that movie are the very backbone of it. The gritiness. Yet every time i go and see a "Lord of the Rings" movie, i feel that every attempt is being made to bludgeon my senses into submission, with wacky camera angles, fancy lighting, loud ear shattering noise, flashing,whooping,booming,crashing,running around,and just sheer chaos. Lots of harmless fun for sure. But shallow nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFAN_2 0 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Blame movie gowers not so much the movie makers. Why? If more people go to see crap then more crap will be made. Cause, Effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Yes, we are all victims of causality.But seriously, I think there are still good movies being made, they are just overshadowed by the hypes and mega-sized campaigns of blockbuster movies. Small films just don't have enough money to be advertized properly. If no-one knows about your film, there won't be a lot of people to see it.- Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrongBad992648 0 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Oh come on, you really can't blaim the people seeing the movies. Movies to some people are what they are...an escape. Plenty of people liked Bad Boys II because it was an escape. It's not like there's a mob outside of movie studios with pitchforks and torches forcing directors to make these films. People are just people...we try to escape our regular lives all the time. Saying it's an inferior mass of people creating a problem with film is just rediculous. Film is an art. It's an art that is now more available to everybody. There are some people who aren't completely qualified who are now getting into the film business...I say good for them. They are doing what they want to do, and they are making plenty of money for it. Just look at the numbers these blockbusters are getting...you can't tell me that everybody is just as disgusted at "Pop Movies" as you are. And to assume just because they are big budget blockbuster films, or have inferior dialogue or story that they are instantly crap is unfair as well. Let's take Spiderman. Do you even KNOW how much time and energy and yes, thinking went into a picture like that? If you want to find out...take a digital camera, and go create your own spiderman film. Better yet...create a superhero film that doesn't require ANY special effects at all. It's a bit harder than expected huh? I'm sorry if I sound like I'm horribly bitter...or exploding...but COME ON! Movies are a gift. We are lucky that there are people out there making them, even if you don't like every one. But to treat blockbuster films as a lesser work than others is just not fair at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 isn't it nice though that there are movies out there for everyone.. I mean, some like big budget, others like smaller indies, either way, they are both out there and good films do get made every year. Maybe you haven't gone out and seen those ones yet..... I wouldn't say that the best films are behind us. There are gems every year, be it blockbuster or indie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,367 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Let's take Spiderman. Do you even KNOW how much time and energy and yes, thinking went into a picture like that? If you want to find out...take a digital camera, and go create your own spiderman film. It's all about getting into the "system". You would be surprised how easy it is to technically make a movie, once you're in the system. You say: "Take a digital camera and do it yourself". Well, that would be the same as saying: "I'm going to record Shostakovich's Sympony N°.5 AND play all the instruments of the orchestra myself, plus I'll do the recording and mixing. Luckily, you don't have to play all those different instruments, the orchestra is part of another "system". You don't need to operate a camera, light the sets, cut and edit the film, compose the soundtrack, create the special effects, and so on, and so on. The people who work for the system will do that for you and they're all specialists in their field. Actually, to shoot a scene, you don't have to be on the set! What matters is communicating with those people, directing or conducting them in such a way, that in the end, your vision is manifesting. ----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrongBad992648 0 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Ok...fair enough...now contact all of those orchestra players...make sure all of their parts are excactly how you want them...with all 120 members...then set up rehearsal times...then make sure all of them can come to the rehearsal...then hire the conductor...make sure he knows the music. Make sure rehearsals run smoothly, and make sure the performance is going to be well done. Now...at the same time...shoot the movie on your digital camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 The Apostel, a movie that Robert Duvall made with all his heart. now that was an awful film, really foul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 What's wrong with it?Stefancos- ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Well, if he used all of his heart, how is his body supposed to survive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,367 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 What's wrong with it?Stefancos- ???Nothing, but some people get nervous when the menu has changed.----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,367 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Well, if he used all of his heart, how is his body supposed to survive?Yeah, yeah, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Sounds like Bicentennial Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,367 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Sounds like Bicentennial ManAnd that movie was based on a short story by Asimov (though I never checked the credits but I don't have to). It's one of those movies I will try to avoid forever. ----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 What's wrong with it? Stefancos- ???It was a never ending film, that depicted a southern view, I've never seen, Farrah Fawcett gave the most bizarre performance since anything by Shelly Duvall. I was extremely dissappointed by the film, because I did think it looked terrific, and after sitting there for what? 19 hours, when it was over, I was disgusted by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 I wouldn't want to watch it for fun, no. Justin -Who hasn't seen it in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,367 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 What's wrong with it? Stefancos- ???It was a never ending film, that depicted a southern view, I've never seen, ......and after sitting there for what? 19 hours, when it was over, I was disgusted by it.You've lost me. Never ending? 19 hours? What movie are we talking about?----------------Alex Cremers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 And that movie was based on a short story by Asimov (though I never checked the credits but I don't have to). It's one of those movies I will try to avoid forever. If Robin Williams wasn't in that movie it would never have gotten noticed, although I did cry in the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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