Bowie 45 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Is the William Ross material only the parts which are clearly adaptations of Sorcerer's Stone compositions? Or did he write some new original underscore?I'd just like to get the general consensus on which tracks (in their majority) are fully Williams compositions, besides The Chamber of Secrets and Fawkes the Phoenix.What do you think? Which tracks are Williams' (list by track # if you wish)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 I think Ross re-arranged some material done by Williams like Introducing Colin was just a variation of Entry Into the Great Hall and Cornies Pixies an arrangement of In the Devil's Snare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted March 1, 2005 Author Share Posted March 1, 2005 Thanks, well I can hear those similarities too. But the ambiguous "new" underscore is what I'm interested in. The Spiders? Meeting Aragog? Fawkes is Reborn? Dueling the Basilisk? Meeting Tom Riddle?I'm planning to put "(Adapted by William Ross)" around any cues we as a board do not think John Williams physically composed the majority of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Woods 557 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 From what I've read and heard... Chamber of Secrets is all Williams. Ross didn't compose any new music. Can anyone back me up on this one?-Erik- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 King Mark will have a seizure when he reads this! Don't think any of us really know, but i'm inclined to believe that Ross merely conducted and maybe very slightly ellaborated on some of Williams' own compositions.- Tim. Secret Weapons Over Normandy - Michael Giacchino = Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacck 23 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 I'm certain that Fawke's Theme was John Williams' own. As far as The Spiders theme, Chamber of Secrets Theme, and Dueling the Basilisk, I'm almost certain that these are John Williams originals too. The Obvious Adaptions would be Cornish Pixies (In the Devil's Snare), Introducing Colin (Entry into the Great Hall), and The Quidditch Match (Actually at one point sounds identical to the flourishes heard in Zam the Assasin and The Chase Through Courscant)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 King Mark will have a seizure when he reads this! My own opinion is that William Ross had two jobs:1. Adapt cues from Sorcerer's Stone for use in the areas of CoS that Williams did not write new music for.2. Conduct the orchestra.That's it. Maybe he got some coffee for Williams while he was writing, but that's unconfirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Read the cue by cue rundown on film score rundowns by bill wrobel for the full analysis on what cues williams ended up writing or putting together. He studied the scores and the short score himiself and it says who did each cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2OProof 2 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Read the cue by cue rundown on film score rundowns by bill wrobel for the full analysis on what cues williams ended up writing or putting together. He studied the scores and the short score himiself and it says who did each cue.This is what Bill Wrobel says: "When I looked at the sketches, I discovered that Williams did indeed write all of the music. So what Ross did besides some conducting work, I am not sure. It is possible he adapted some of the cues to the final edit of the film (??) but I do not know."Here is the link:http://www.filmscorerundowns.net/williams/...harrypotter.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Bill Wrobel was bought!Williams Ross did 70 - 80 % of the score, you are being told lies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoby12 0 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 From what I've read and heard... Chamber of Secrets is all Williams. Ross didn't compose any new music. Can anyone back me up on this one?-Erik-I heard this too. At first Bill Ross scored most of it - then Williams came back to re do it under the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 There's always something in the orchestration that tells me it's Williams all the time.It's not like Shadows of the Empire that "sort" of sounds like Williams.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 If you look at the CD, it says on the back "Music composed by John Williams". In the liner notes, Chris Columbus make zero mention of Ross' involvement in the material, and credits "JW's new score" congratulating him on a rich tapestry of new themes. It's all John's stuff. Ross simply conducted the music to fit the action and if you listen to a lot of it, it's almost note for note the same (Prologue...) as Philosopher's Stone.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 When the c.d. came out people were speculating cues like Reunion if Friends must have been composed by William Ross.No way.Plus on the DVD,that's the part they show Williams commenting on.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 When the c.d. came out people were speculating cues like Reunion if Friends must have been composed by William Ross.No way.Plus on the DVD,that's the part they show Williams commenting on.K.M.Exactly, and the prolonged closing statement is definitely the classic Williams we all know and love!- Tim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacck 23 Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 When the c.d. came out people were speculating cues like Reunion if Friends must have been composed by William Ross.No way.Plus on the DVD,that's the part they show Williams commenting on.K.M.Exactly, and the prolonged closing statement is definitely the classic Williams we all know and love!- Tim.Indeed! That ending almost brings me to tears each time, and that's something no other composer can do for me except John Williams (and I mean NO other composer in the history of mankind LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 Wasn't there supposed to be a final, grand statement of Fawke's Theme to round off the film, but Columbus rejected it saying it's not thematically right? I agree with him, but if it was recorded I would LOVE to hear it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 Well this is the first time I've heard of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 I think it may have been mentioned in Wrobel's score analysis. Unless I'm imagining things, in which case I'm sorry...EDIT - I read it again, and I'm assuming this could be the "Alt Ending" in the score. Phew, I'm NOT crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 I read about the alternate ending,but why do you assume it's Fawke's themeK.m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted March 2, 2005 Share Posted March 2, 2005 If I remember correctly, it was KM who suggested that way back when the analysis posted. I don't know why it would be Fawkes either, but just imagine....I would kill to hear that.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,799 Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 That Williams did not make the whole of this score is Fawke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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