Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Doing some catch-up after holiday. The Lie of the Land: sort of ok. The fake regeneration I thought was bordering on insulting to fans, particularly as we know Capaldi is exiting. The 'reset' with Bill's Mum was touching, but felt stretched. Watching The Empress of Mars now. Holy cow is this boring. 10 minutes to go and I'm just waiting for Nardole to reappear with the Tardis and save everyone. I don't want to be overly negative, but the three leads aside (and a couple of good episodes), this has been by far the worst season of Who I've ever seen. The stories are struggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 That's what I feared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 The Caves Of Andozani. The worst Doctor Who serial? Hard to say. Certainly one of the worst ive seen. Who okayed this script? Exposition galore. The Doctor and Peri run from one warring faction to another and back again. None of them worthy of interest and certainly noone to root for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 You've stated your dislike of Caves before now, Steef ... rewatching in case you find something of merit this time round? I recently watched The Reign Of Terror (Hartnell) and Planet Of Fire (Davison). Reign was a trial to finish ... plodding throughout its 6 episodes, unfortunately. By contrast, Planet's 4 episodes breezed by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Was bored and actually couldn't remember if ive seen this before. Wasn't this considered a classic episode? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 It often does well in polls, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 Of course I think Genesis Of The Daleks is boring as fuck toom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 The format of the original series doesn't lend itself to excitement. "Let's take a cool story and drag it out over many unnecessary episodes with forced cliffhangers at the end of each!" nu-Who is a definite improvement, format-wise. Pieter Boelen and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 My abiding memories of the old serials are endless scenes of our heroes escaping, being captured, escaping again etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 3 hours ago, Stefancos said: The Caves Of Andozani. The worst Doctor Who serial? Hard to say. Certainly one of the worst ive seen. Who okayed this script? Exposition galore. The Doctor and Peri run from one warring faction to another and back again. None of them worthy of interest and certainly noone to root for. What a stupid thing to say. THE CAVES OF ANDROZANI is classic "classic" Who, directed with flair by Grahame Harper, loaded with atmosphere, and boasting a fantastic central performance, by Davison. Now't wrong with it, at all. You're just not trying hard enough. 1 hour ago, Sweeping Strings said: You've stated your dislike of Caves before now, Steef ... rewatching in case you find something of merit this time round? I recently watched The Reign Of Terror (Hartnell) and Planet Of Fire (Davison). Reign was a trial to finish ... plodding throughout its 6 episodes, unfortunately. By contrast, Planet's 4 episodes breezed by. Ah! So you watched the transmitted version of PLANET OF FIRE, and not the SE, which is also good. Just two words...pink bikini I agree about ROT. As for COA; forget Steef. He'll never come round to the charms of classic Who. 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: "Let's take a cool story and imbue it with old school charm, atmosphere, subtle humour, and sastifying performances, while, at the same time, instilling a very good, central moral code". Sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 19 hours ago, Richard said: THE CAVES OF ANDROZANI is classic "classic" Who, directed with flair by Grahame Harper, loaded with atmosphere, and boasting a fantastic central performance, by Davison. Now't wrong with it, at all. You're just not trying hard enough. Davidson came across as a crashing bore, and something of a pompous twat. Tristan Farnon rather than The Doctor. I'm sorry. Atmosphere sure...but an actual story that has the lead characters invested in the going's on rather than just running away? Classic Who has a hell of a lot of this. It's poor writing. If the main characters are just trying to escape, why should we care about the environment they find themselves in? The history of Who is actually filled with shoddy writing, slow, ponderous stories, revisiting old tropes for the sake of audience satisfaction etc etc... I wager even at his worst Moffat still rates well above average. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 It's "Davison" Actually, it's Moffett, but that's another story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Just finished today's... wow. Easily the best episode of the season. After last week's utter snoozefest, the detail in the story for this one was astounding, and a great score by Gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Can't wait to watch later tonight!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: Just finished today's... wow. Easily the best episode of the season. After last week's utter snoozefest, the detail in the story for this one was astounding, and a great score by Gold. Soundtrack releases when already augh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 As we haven't seen a season 9 release yet, I'm not holding my breath quite yet. It was mentioned over at FSM, and there was a suggestion that Gold has been too busy to prepare a soundtrack, which would make sense with Silva's official line that it's 'not available to licence'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,207 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Good one (although I hated the "Doctor Who" banter at the beginning), with a suitably dramatic climax. Loved how Gold let the Master bits creep into the score in the finale. Also, some very obvious emphasis on the Master having changed gender, and the Doctor not (curiously) remembering that he never has so far. More hints for a female Thirteen, or just a red herring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Spoiler THE GENESIS OF THE CYBERMEN!!! Fuck yes that was an amazing episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 The Doctor Who shtick was funny but overlong. I'm kicking myself for not realizing who that Rasputiny guy really was immediately. The dashing smile makes it so obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Very much enjoyed it ... 'timey-wimey' tricksiness, laughs, genuinely creepy 'n' dark stuff, the return of the first incarnation of the Doctor's second-oldest enemies AND of Simm's Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2017 I'm still such an easy mark for the "timey wimey." That feeling you get when it dawns on you what they're going for is cool! Oh, and I loved every second of the comedy bit at the beginning Could've gone on longer for me honestly. I could watch Michelle Gomez being off-putting for a long time. Docteur Qui, Pieter Boelen and Arpy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,207 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I haven't been a fan of Michelle Gomez's Missy before (well played but annoying), but (except for a few exaggerated bits of cheap humour here and there) I really like her in this series. 8 hours ago, Woj said: I'm kicking myself for not realizing who that Rasputiny guy really was immediately. The dashing smile makes it so obvious. It was clear that he had to be someone, which makes me wonder why I didn't get it until he started giving hints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Yeah, I was totally taken in by the disguise. I even thought to myself at one point, "I wonder who this actor is, he's really good." Geez louise, I can't wait for part 2 next Saturday. Sadly, I'm going to a wedding that evening so I probably won't be able to watch it until Sunday night! I'll just have to avoid the internet during the day Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Unfortunately I had spoiled the plot and reveals through a friend who shared some of the rumours that were floating around. Apart from knowing everything going in, it was still a great episode and one which really harkens back to the RTD era. The music was great, especially all the subtle and not-so subtle variations of the Master's theme (that literally says 'The MA-ster') and the 'This is Gallifrey'. Even knowing Simm was Razer, the prosthetics were convincing and his character was comedy gold. I haven't felt this excited for a finale since series 3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, RPurton said: I haven't felt this excited for a finale since series 3! Really? At the end of "Heaven Sent" I was so bowled over I wanted to see "Hell Bent" immediately. My favorite two part finale of the series. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I loved Heaven Sent, but back in 2007, I was 14 and the Utopia/Sound of Drums/Last of the TimeLords finale was spectacular. When Hell Bent aired I just wasn't feeling the same, probably because series 9 had been disappointing for me... Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Even the concept of the episode is similar to the Utopia three-parter: The Master is in control of a large group of humans he can use to create artificial minions. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 One thing to clarify: when I mentioned 'last week's snoozefest' I was actually talking about The Empress of Mars. I realised just now that I missed out The Eaters of Light! Although it must be a standalone episode as I didn't notice anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 That was some fabulous television. The thought of losing Capaldi and Gomez after this year is unbearable. I hope Bill stays because I couldn't handle her leaving as well, she's quickly become my favourite companion since Donna. But that's what makes Who so fantastic, eleven years on from when I started watching and there's always new characters to love. I kinda wish we had a few more episodes with Missy involved in the story of the week, I adore her. I've never been a huge fan of Simm's Master but I'm keen to see what Moffat does with him. Anything would be better than the half-baked "End of Time" (or even "Last of the Timelords", that was such a letdown after "The Sound of Drums"). I genuinely had no idea it was him under the prosthetics even though I knew he was coming. It was a delightful little twist and Simm was very good in the role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I also took far too long to realise that the 'hospital janitor' was Simm. Nice nod to Roger Delgado (Third Doctor-era Master) when he pulled off his disguise ... Delgado did that a lot. The Doctor using 'Venusian aikido' to take down the guy who shot Bill was a Third Doctor reference, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Have you guys seen this? Includes several mostly SFX-less re-revordings of Doctor Who music: "A Good Man" (season 8) "Breaking the Wall" (season 9) "Bill's Theme" (season 10) "Doctor Who Theme" (extended arrangement I don't recall hearing before) Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Thanks for posting that, I'll watch it later this evening. I'm still so sad I have to go to a wedding tomorrow night instead of watching the finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Hearing the Heaven Sent music in that video makes me want a Season 9 OST release all the more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 I hope we get the music from World Enough and Time, especially the part where the Doctor is explaining the time dilation. Arghh, I'm so impatient! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Ouch! Some ropey brass around the 36:40 mark, but otherwise, it's a solid performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Wasn't that noticeable... 52 minutes ago, Richard said: Ouch! Some ropey brass around the 36:40 mark, but otherwise, it's a solid performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Actually, it was, dude "I have an enquiring mind...and a sensitive ear" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 And now we STILL don't know who is going to be the next Doctor!!! Evil, evil, evil. Also: Holy crap! And is The Master going to appear again in any form in the future? If so, how does that work...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,207 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 The Doctor Falls Well, that was rather brilliant, wasn't it? A thrilling, emotional finale with great performances by all the primary actors. Tons of great score bits, too - we desperately need new score releases. And not only does it leave the next Doctor a mystery (will they be able to keep it a secret until the end of the year?), but it sets up what promises to be a really cool Christmas special. Now for a six month wait... Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Uggggh I wanna watch it so bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Hmmm, I'll need a second watch to be entirely sure about it I think. It's a little weird sometimes how the show both celebrates its past (Simm's Seventies/Eighties Master tribute goatee) and then sort-of subverts it (when he was seen applying 'guyliner'). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 58 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said: It's a little weird sometimes how the show both celebrates its past (Simm's Seventies/Eighties Master tribute goatee) and then sort-of subverts it (when he was seen applying 'guyliner'). I think that that really sums-up SM's tenure. He wanted to take it into unexplored territory, and to celebrate its history, but he had little real respect for the show. In the end, it became his plaything, something to occupy his time in between SHERLOCK. It became a parlour-game that he grew tired of, quickly. After that, he just gave up. The show deserved better. There have been many really good stories, in the last eight years, but, on the whole, he didn't do DW many favours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,207 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 There's so many hints about femininity and female Timelords, I wonder if it's just a red herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 It had bloody better be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 2, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted July 2, 2017 I now demand the next Doctor be female just because it would bother you. 3 hours ago, Richard said: I think that that really sums-up SM's tenure. He wanted to take it into unexplored territory, and to celebrate its history, but he had little real respect for the show. In the end, it became his plaything, something to occupy his time in between SHERLOCK. It became a parlour-game that he grew tired of, quickly. After that, he just gave up. The show deserved better. There have been many really good stories, in the last eight years, but, on the whole, he didn't do DW many favours. Like for real, this is ridiculous. I hope you get chased from being a fan anymore. Doctor Who should just shed all the old dumb fans. _______ I watched the episode this morning. It was wonderful! It's not perfect, that ending for Bill was pretty messy (and way too similar to Clara's exit), even if it was emotionally satisfying. But with Capaldi and Gomez being absolutely brilliant, doing their series best work, I didn't really care. All the stuff with switching between Bill's perception of herself and everyone else's was fantastic as well. The nonverbal acting from Gomez during Capaldi's speech about falling where you stand was another highlight. And how bringing John Simm actually proved to be a necessary part of Missy's character arc, externalizing the past pulling at her, was just great writing, avoiding being nothing but fan service. I'm gonna try not to edit in too many observations as I think back on the episode.... Wojo, Pieter Boelen, Arpy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Don't have kittens, Genesis is going to work. It's only one person's opinion You can have your nu-Who, but you can't take it with you. I was here before most DW fans, and I'll be here when they've all gone the way of the dodo. I don't hate nu-Who, like some people seem to believe {I own most of it, and VINCENT AND THE DOCTOR still reduces me to tears!), I just don't think that SM gave his best to the show, but then, I thought that about Graham Williams, but the was a bit hamstrung. Anyway, female Doctor or no, I'm looking forward to what CC does with the show. I do know that one thing is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Okay, BBC America and Xfinity, between the two of you, one of you fucking blows goats for requiring me to be on my home network to watch the season finale of Doctor Who. My money is the same no matter where my butt is parked so what difference does it make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 I can't watch the BBC at all because I use my sister's TV subscription and would have to be on her home network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Username and password should be sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 3, 2017 Share Posted July 3, 2017 Agreed! The Beeb are license fee payer fascists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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