Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Well, Horner used this motif as a tradermak, but other composers, intentionally or not, and even before him have used it lets make a list, i have a few:the 1st incarnation in history that i know of, is by the man himself, yes, John Williams, in 1978's Superman. I think even Horner didnt had it in mind yet.EDIT: (this is errorius, it barely resembles it) 'The big Rescue' starts with it. Has several renditions at 0:42, and at 2:12.The cue is 'Lex luthor's Lair' as noted below (i did not had the full score at hand when i checked this just the cue i mentioned in a action cues compilation of mine)2003 Giacchino's Secret Weapons over normandy 3:44 of track 'Zauara' one rendition2007 Debney's LAIR end of track 'Training'I think i found more in other composer's work but i cannot remember them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Brian Tyler's Timeline uses it in a couple places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASW 0 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Well, Horner used this motif as a tradermak, but other composers, intentionally or not, and even before him have used it lets make a list, i have a few:the 1st incarnation in history that i know of, is by the man himself, yes, John Williams, in 1978's Superman. I think even Horner didnt had it in mind yet.'The big Rescue' starts with it. Has several renditions at 0:42, and at 2:12.It also appears in "Lex Luthor's Lair" near the end of the track...and I know I've heard it in another Williams cue as well but can't quite remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 That's not the danger motif in "The Big Rescue." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I agree with Henry. Its a four note motif, but its not the Horner motif. The one in Lex Luthor's Lair is closer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASW 0 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I just listened to the aforementioned sections of the Big Rescue and agree that it's not the Horner danger motif, but it's all in chromatic steps (at least that's what I think I'm hearing)...so that might lend to any perceived similarity. Still can't remember that other Williams danger motif example... I think it may have been in a SW score...one of the prequels perhaps....anyone else know it?Edit - I found it!...the last few seconds of "The Senate [War Clouds and an Alliance with Boss Nass]" in TPM:UE have a few statements of what sounds like the Danger Motif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 The buildup to the reveal of the Rambaldi device in the ALIAS episode "Almost Thirty Years" features the motif. It's the track "Ball Buster" on the soundtrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Named "Unmuth-Motiv", it's all over Der Ring des Nibelungen, beginning with Die Walküre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 18, 2008 Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 I found this in the hornershrineMichael kamen's Three Musketeers, The Cardinal's coach 1:03-1:14 can anyone check? i dont have this score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted March 18, 2008 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Kamen's Open Range- the climactic battle is propelled by a five note motif that is extremely close to the danger motif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 21, 2008 Author Share Posted March 21, 2008 I refound another one.Kingdom of Heaven, Recording Sessions. Track 'Better man' at 0:48.Another refound one: Michael Giacchino's MOH Airborne12 - Sniper Showdown, 2:37 several renditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Let's face it folks, the danger motif deserves a thread of its own!The point of this thread is to try and accumulate all the instances the danger motif has shoved its face up in music. Rachmaninoff's iconic motif has long been taken up by Horner, but its definitely been shown off by many other composers. Let's see if we can compile these instances together.Basically, when you find a danger motif moment to share, name the score, the composer and post a video with the specific timing in the cue. If the track cannot be found on youtube, then just name the cue and point out the time markings.Oh, and while you're free to put up all the Horner moments, it'd probably be more fun if we stayed away from Horner's stuff at first.By the way, its important to keep in mind that this thread is not meant to be any attack against any composer, its just to be some good fun, I personally enjoy the danger motif a lot (as long as its not used to death like it is in Enemy At the Gates or Troy). We're not claiming any of the composers are plagiarizing (many examples can probably be pure coincidence), we're just pointing out when it appears.I'll start.This is where the danger motif originally came from:Symphony No.1 in D Minor (1897)Sergei Rachmaninoff OR IS IT?? Hungarian Rhapsody no. 17 (1884)Franz Liszt0:14 - 0:28 How about some more modern examples?Middle Earth anyone?The Two Towers (2002)The Breaching of Helm's DeepHoward Shore2:08 - 2:22 How about our beloved lord and saviour, John Williams? This one is a bit far-fetched, but I'll post it anyways.Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (2001)Platform 9 and 3/4 and Journey to HogwartsJohn Williams2:43 - 2:55 But with John Williams, you can hear him use the danger motif more prominently here (can't find a youtube video):Superman (1978)Lex Luthor's Lair (as heard on the Rhino release)John Williams4:18 - 4:33Since I can't post any more youtube videos for now, I'll save up my other surprises (and boy do I have a LOT ) until I hear a few from you folks.Just stirring up the pot.- KK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 John Williams also uses it in Philosophers Stone in the cue Checkmate (0:27)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyGLdliVtOUJohn Debey uses it on Lair. Civilization Theme (03:20)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOPnMHhsX58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 The word 'Appreciation' should be inserted into the thread's title Lee - who smiles whenever he hears it, in both old and new scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Lee - who smiles whenever he hears it, in both old and new scores.Intentional or unintentional. In the Shore example the section is actually a motif called The Fellowship in Rohan played there like the danger motif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 The Specialist by John Barry(0:00) and (1:42) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Stargate (1994)Quartz ShipmentDavid Arnold1:16 - till endhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl0wqj6tnVIThe Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader (2010)Into BattleDavid Arnold4:20 - 4:27http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3atOa5Bf80IHow about something even more recent?Act of Valor (2012)Exfil NowNathan Furst4:08 (and other places)- no youtube video -The word 'Appreciation' should be inserted into the thread's title Lee - who smiles whenever he hears it, in both old and new scores.Probably should have done that, kind of slipped my mind. As I said before, I enjoy the danger motif, even when Horner uses it, but just don't overdo it like it was done in Troy and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 This is where the danger motif originally came from:Symphony No.1 in D Minor (1897)Sergei Rachmaninoff OR IS IT?? Hungarian Rhapsody no. 17 (1884)Franz Liszt0:14 - 0:28And I still say it's from Wagner's Ring des Nibelungen. Curiously, Liszt took another theme from there, before Wagner actually published his own work, but apparently after Liszt had heard him play excerpts on the piano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moloko 0 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Michael KamenDie Hardat 6:25http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_RSelbEQwg&hd=1On the La La Land release Disc 2 Track 9 (Helicopter Explosion & Showdown): 0:11But I guess it's because Kamen listened too closely to the temp track :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 It apperars also in John Williams' Superman: The Movie. In the Lex Luthor's Lair. The last 30 seconds of the track. Can't find the clip.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moloko 0 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Oh and I forget one:Williams himself incorporated it in Family Plot.Varese, Track 7: 4:45.Sorry no youtube clip... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 It apperars also in John Williams' Superman: The Movie. In the Lex Luthor's Lair. The last 30 seconds of the track. Can't find the clip.KarolI mentioned that in the first post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 The danger motif appears in Hook, in The Clock Museum (3:50) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 It apperars also in John Williams' Superman: The Movie. In the Lex Luthor's Lair. The last 30 seconds of the track. Can't find the clip.KarolI mentioned that in the first post Oh yes you did. Sorry.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Well let me bring out the big guns now. I have a friend who actually watches Bollywood movies, and since he knew I liked film music, he showed me this clip and thought I might have liked it. I didn't like it, but it did really interest me.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrRYRzCKikwNow I'm going to blow your minds even more. After a little research on my part, I figured out something that may be of greater interest to this board.Remember this?http://www.jwfan.com...1&hl=smnol&st=0Considering how his fame amongst JWfan members, you may find be intrigued by the fact that the composer of this clip is actually Illayarajah's son, Yuvan shankeaitwg;a or sometihng.That's right, consider your minds, officially blown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 He's still not as good as Illaraya. Nobody is.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Illaraya is the truth, the light, the love. He is everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Illaraya is the truth, the light, the love. He is everything!So what does that make his son? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Well, Joseph Williams is John's son. So what does that make him?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 So what does that make his son? Melkor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 So what does that make his son? Melkor?Hehe...I see what you did there So there's Illuvatar Illayarajah, his son, Melkor...does that make Williams Manwe?Well, Joseph Williams is John's son. So what does that make him?KarolYes, but Williams is not Illayarajah...he cannot be compared to the Lord of light, truth and all greatness that existness in music... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Yes, but Williams is not Illayarajah...he cannot be compared to the Lord of light, truth and all greatness that existness in music...Amen.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 Michael GIacchino, SWON, track 'Zauara' at 3:44. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 John Williams also uses it in Philosophers Stone in the cue Checkmate (0:27)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyGLdliVtOUHaha, i just wanted to mention that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 he i knew we had done this before, i had forgot i was the creator of the old thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I heard some likenessnesses in Ben-Hur:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiTFCmuel14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 3:46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now