dylan345 3 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Hi, I'm relatively new to this forum and am a huge John Williams fan! I don't know if this has been discussed before but I had recently purchased the Indiana Jones blu ray box set and the second I played ROTLA I noticed a HUGE difference in sound quality compared to the soundtrack release. The music is just overall mixed better and sounds as though its been remastered in places and isn't dialed out or played as quietly as it was in the VHS release. I wonder if there is an isolated score track on the blu ray because it would be interesting to hear that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 No, unfortunately there isn't. I think both expanded editions, the one from DCC records and the one from Concorde, already sound great. The former is a direct transfer from the session tapes, but the choir in "The Map Room: Dawn" is mixed very low and it doesn't contain the complete score The latter is (to my ears) mastered too bright, as if they did that on purpose to attract more customers.You could make a personal edit combining the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The DCC is the one to get just for the complete Desert Chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Trilogy 39 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 If I recall it correctly, the mix for the Concord is from John Neal and the mix you hear in the film is the same on the DCC and it is mixed by Eric Tomlinson. As far as I know, John Williams approved the mix from Tomlinson - for the Star Wars Trilogy, but I don't know if he approved it for Raiders of the Lost Ark.Williams and Tomlinson had a good relationship, maybe his prefered mix is from the film.Otherwise the original Polydor has the mix from John Neal and Williams approved it, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The DCC is the one to get just for the complete Desert Chase.The Concorde is the one to get for all the rest. You'll have to combine them and put he DCC Desert Chase into the Concorde programme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,718 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Which section of Desert Chase is Concord missing? I noticed the track time discrepancy when I picked up the Concord set, but never bothered to compare it with my DCC Raiders. Are there are other differences (aside from the additional material on the Concord)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 It's not just missing a section (or more than one? I've rarely listened to the Concorde version), it also has several glaring micro edits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,829 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 well the concorde is missing approx. 42 seconds from the Desert chase.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 The DCC is the one to get just for the complete Desert Chase.the original soundtrack version of Desert Chase is superior to me.it was ingrained into my dna before the dcc version was released.the other versions sound wrong once you're used to the original. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylan345 3 Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 The only release I have is the Concorde and In the Jungle seems to be mixed incorrectly as its always sounded odd to me, but in the movie the woodwind parts all sounded correct! Perhaps I need to find this DCC release to listen to the desert chase, the desert chase in the movie definitely didn't sound much better than the concord release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Film mixes typically sound better. Just listen to Empire Strikes Back in the film mix and compare it to the 2-disc set. The actual soundtrack sounds like a bootleg compared to the film mix.Every release of Raiders sounds different. It's possible the film mix sounds better on the Blu-ray because of the high-def audio and/or modern mastering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylan345 3 Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 That's what I would think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The DCC is the one to get just for the complete Desert Chase.the original soundtrack version of Desert Chase is superior to me.it was ingrained into my dna before the dcc version was released.the other versions sound wrong once you're used to the original.I'm used to the DCC version, so any shorter versions sound wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The DCC is the one to get just for the complete Desert Chase.the original soundtrack version of Desert Chase is superior to me.it was ingrained into my dna before the dcc version was released.the other versions sound wrong once you're used to the original.I'm used to the DCC version, so any shorter versions sound wrong.I grew up with the original, you did not. for me it's a case of longer is not better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 That's understandable. There are arrangements on the 1993 Anthology that I prefer to the SE versions, complete-ish though they may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I could almost agree with Joey, if it was not for the fact the edit is glaringly obvious, and ruins the flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I could almost agree with Joey, if it was not for the fact the edit is glaringly obvious, and ruins the flow.That. The micro edits are worse than in TPM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Film mixes typically sound better. Just listen to Empire Strikes Back in the film mix and compare it to the 2-disc set. The actual soundtrack sounds like a bootleg compared to the film mix.The film mixes for the Star Wars scores, that's how I feel about the mixes especially for the Star Wars Prequels. I actually prefer the mixes the game material uses for The Phantom Menace compared to the ones used in the "Ultimate Edition". I also prefer the ones used in the games for ROTS as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Is Joey praising the Concord versions or the pre-DCC original? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 The Concord version is the same as the pre-DCC original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 So it's a lot like spinach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I can't really explain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The DCC is the one to get just for the complete Desert Chase.the original soundtrack version of Desert Chase is superior to me.it was ingrained into my dna before the dcc version was released.the other versions sound wrong once you're used to the original.I'm used to the DCC version, so any shorter versions sound wrong.I grew up with the original, you did not. for me it's a case of longer is not better.I grew up with the longer version as it was in the movie. I bought the original LP in 2005 and was disappointed the track was missing the really good bits. I bought the DCC CD a few years later and the track was much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 exactly Drax, I had the original record album in 1981. What Faleel calls a glaring edit, I say is exactly as it should be. The DCC was the glaring error.it's also like listening the to the original Close Encounters. For years I had heard the Conversation untold amount of times and the new version with the too many notes was disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Different music, different context. The DCC was a case of the restored missing music strengthening the track. Not sure about The Conversation since I've never heard the album version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 So it's a lot like spinach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I am going to edit The Battle of Yavin, omitting the bit between the timpani bit, and the "Mars, Bringer of War" hits.Because it will obviously be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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