Jay 37,364 Posted April 8, 2011 Author Share Posted April 8, 2011 interesting read Jeremy, and I applaud you for making this recordings and presenting them for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airmanjerm 78 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Thanks Jason....it's probably too much info, so my apologies for derailing the thread! lolDo you guys want to hear our recording of the "Escapades?" If so then I can try to find it and post it here. The CD should be out in a couple months I think.EDIT: I know better than to ask questions like that.http://www.multiupload.com/9GH94FRBCN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Do you guys want to hear our recording of the "Escapades?" If so then I can try to find it and post it here. The CD should be out in a couple months I think.Great listen and performance - congratulations What's going to be the title of the CD?EDIT:I know better than to ask questions like that.You learn quickly Thanks for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airmanjerm 78 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Thanks! The CD will be all music of current and former Air Force Band arrangers/composers. Other than JW, it will include an original suite for band by me (they asked for it! lol), Overture to "School for Scandal" by Barber (who, yes, was in the Air Force), a transcription of Walton's "Portsmouth Point Overture" by a former AF Band Arranger, and Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition" by Mark Hindsley, also a former Air Force Band Arranger. So, three Air Force Band composers and two arrangers.The CD will be titled "Out of the Blue." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Thanks, looks good Keep us posted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Jack,Hey are you almost done with your edit for "Get 'Em, R2"? The unreleased section that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Jack,Hey are you almost done with your edit for "Get 'Em, R2"? The unreleased section that is.You seem a little impatient? I am SURE he will post it, when HE is satisfied with the end result, as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 8, 2011 Author Share Posted April 8, 2011 I agree with Miss Padme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacck 23 Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 I'm taking some time to learn properly about sculpting reverbs. I'm not getting the acoustics that I'm after right now. Too sloppy and washy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted April 9, 2011 Share Posted April 9, 2011 Amazing thread and amazing work! I love hearing the mock ups! I need to be less busy in life so I can dig into some scores and make some up myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 Hey, what happened to my post here...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted April 13, 2011 Author Share Posted April 13, 2011 http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9314&view=findpost&p=712775 Also, read your PMs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Dunno how I possibly managed to overlook this thread.I sure would love to hear AOTC's finale done in an orchestral format, but for now the mockup will do And I think Jack's mockup of Get 'em, R-2! is very, very good. I can't wait to see it finished!I'd love to take a whack at the missing bit of Elevator Scene myself but I don't have any sheet music for that part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Jack,How goes your mock up of the "Get 'Em, R2" parts? It's nearly there. Just 5 or so bars left now Here's today's updated version:http://www.sendspace.com/file/82a66cWow, that sounds really great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lundquist 0 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I would like to do some mockups of unreleased pieces as well, I don't have a lot of sheets though:/ So if there are any requests, and somebody would be willing to provide me with the sheets, I'd be happy to do some mockups.Here's an example of how my mockups sound - it can't compete in soundquality with Jack's though (which is among the best I've ever heard).a BTTF medley - could still use some ajustments and tweaks. http://www.box.net/shared/f3cvel0rd3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Sounds wonderful! What software and sample libraries are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 I would like to do some mockups of unreleased pieces as well, I don't have a lot of sheets though:/ So if there are any requests, and somebody would be willing to provide me with the sheets, I'd be happy to do some mockups.Here's an example of how my mockups sound - it can't compete in soundquality with Jack's though (which is among the best I've ever heard).a BTTF medley - could still use some ajustments and tweaks. http://www.box.net/shared/f3cvel0rd3Amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lundquist 0 Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 thanks:) I'm not sure I'd call it amazing, but I think I got a pretty good sound out of it.most of the libraries I use are getting a little old actually;Brass: Project SAM layered with Sonic Implants (called Sonivox now)Woodwinds: VSL with Hollywoodwinds for runsStrings: Cinematic StringsPercussion: Sonic ImplantsAnd then just added som Quantum Leap spaces for reverb. Not much EQ or anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 To Jack or anyone else who happens to find the information useful - a good way to get a decent approximation of the field drums in "Get 'Em R-2!" (and other cues from ROTS) is to combine True Strike's snare ensemble (with the snares on) and military drum patches, with a particular emphasis on the stage miking for the snare ensemble and the far miking for the military drum. Gives an appropriately crisp yet deeply resonant sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 10, 2011 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Here is a version of Prisoner Of Azkaban's cue "Remembering Mother". It's, as I understand, the first version of the cue, the revised version being in the film. Sorry for the flat harpsichord sound. bollemanneke and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 10, 2011 Author Share Posted May 10, 2011 Sounds great!I much prefer A Window To The Past over his original theme, glad he re-wrote it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 How about a recording of 7m5 The Rescue Of Sirius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 That would be terrific! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Transcribing that should be ... intense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 Well, there are plenty of other cues to pick from that didn't make it into the film at all, many of which that are shorter and less complex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 No pain, no result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Is "Typewriter Chord" able to be mockuped? I would like to hear that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 You're not missing anything, it's literally just... a chord.If anyone wants to, knock yourselves out: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 You're not missing anything, it's literally just... a chord.If anyone wants to, knock yourselves out:could you get that to me in bmp, PDF or tif? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 You're not missing anything, it's literally just... a chord.If anyone wants to, knock yourselves out:could you get that to me in bmp, PDF or tif?Trust me, the PDF doesn't look noticeably better. In nearly all cases, the ink Herb Spencer used hasn't aged well. Either that, or the scores have been kept in bad condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,349 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 You're not missing anything, it's literally just... a chord.If anyone wants to, knock yourselves out:could you get that to me in bmp, PDF or tif?Trust me, the PDF doesn't look noticeably better. In nearly all cases, the ink Herb Spencer used hasn't aged well. Either that, or the scores have been kept in bad condition.well the program I want to use to read the sheet music, only accepts PDF, BMP, or tif (or it could be because its resized) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I'm wondering if most of the leaked scores are scans of photocopies, and it's the quality of the photocopies that's poor in the older manuscripts.EDIT: Are you saying you were going to have the program scan the music and input it automatically, Faleel? I'd recommend doing it manually. With such a degraded image, it'd be very difficult for any program to recognize the notes. You'd spend more time correcting it than inputting the notes manually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 I'm wondering if most of the leaked scores are scans of photocopies, and it's the quality of the photocopies that's poor in the older manuscripts.I have a hunch a lot of them might be microfilmed. It's not unheard for manuscripts kept in a poor condition (especially likely, since John Williams doesn't have an archive of his scores - except his personal collection which is probably engraved) to degrade, much like film stock.Why I don't believe these are scanned, is that it's practically always the Spencer-orchestrated scores that are faint. Courage's suffer slightly, but not Neufield's, Morton's, or Pope's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 The post-Spencer score scans are basically always in fine condition...you're right that Spencer's are particularly awful. Maybe it has something to do with the specific type of paper? I'm comparing (for instance) "The Book" and "The Rolling Ball" from Raiders. Both were orchestrated by Spencer; the latter is of typical quality, but the former is quite legible, and it's on manuscript paper that's more similar to the types found in later scores. I have no idea why that would be the case, but it's interesting. Al Woodbury's "Escape in the Alleys" manuscript was written on the same type of paper, and it's in similarly fine condition. The same trend can be found throughout that score.Scans of Williams' sketches also tend to be quite horrendous, and not just because of his idiosyncratic handwriting. Sometimes better scans surface, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 13, 2011 Share Posted May 13, 2011 Yeah it's either the pen or the paper. Probably the paper. Judy Green's are some of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Perhaps people can make a list of preferences what they'd like to hear?Otherwise, it's poking around in the dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 14, 2011 Author Share Posted May 14, 2011 I actually was planning on doing just that! I'll try to post a list tomorrow otherwise hopefully Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 JURASSIC PARK - End of incident at Isla Nublar (literally one sustained note), The Encased Mosquito, Meeting with Mr. Hammond, Cartoon Demonstration, You Bred Raptors, The History Lesson, (last few seconds of) An Ailing Monster, The Coming Storm, The Trouble With Dennis, The T-Rex Chase etc...)THE LOST WORLD - (Datameister, did you a great job with the Finale files - but I demand higher quality!) Tonnes of unreleased stuff here. Some track into the film but most of it unused.The first three Indy scoresOBSESSIONVERTIGOTHE BRIDE WORE BLACKCAPE FEARIT'S ALIVE!THE OMENYou could use Magix Audio Cleaning Lab to on the rips (PM me if you want the bootleg score in 320 kbps mp3s) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 THE LOST WORLD - (Datameister, did you a great job with the Finale files - but I demand higher quality!) As do I. I think I'm done making Finale mockups. Trying to get some good sample libraries that I can use with my DAW of choice, REAPER. Hopefully I'll be able to create (and in some case re-create) some higher quality mockups before TOO long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 JURASSIC PARK - End of incident at Isla Nublar (literally one sustained note), The Encased Mosquito, Meeting with Mr. Hammond, Cartoon Demonstration, You Bred Raptors, The History Lesson, (last few seconds of) An Ailing Monster, The Coming Storm, The Trouble With Dennis, The T-Rex Chase etc...)THE LOST WORLD - (Datameister, did you a great job with the Finale files - but I demand higher quality!) Tonnes of unreleased stuff here. Some track into the film but most of it unused.The first three Indy scoresOBSESSIONVERTIGOTHE BRIDE WORE BLACKCAPE FEARIT'S ALIVE!THE OMENUuh, yeah, I was more thinking of individual cues. I'm not gonna record entire scores.Btw, about PoA: every instrument is notated in concert pitch, right? So the horns a fifth lower etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Concert pitch means that the instruments aren't transposed. POA is a transposed score, like virtually all of Williams' orchestrators' manuscripts. So the horns would indeed be a fifth lower, the trumpets a major second lower, etc. With handwritten full scores for films, it's generally safe to assume that they're transposed, not in concert pitch, unless they actually say "concert score" at the top, as is sometimes the case with JNH scores, for instance. However, Williams sketches are always in concert pitch, and they don't say so.Basically, when in doubt, pull out a cue that you've got the recording for, listen to it, and then play the part of a transposing instrument on piano. If the pitch matches, you're looking at a concert score - if you're off by a fifth or a whole step or whatever, then you're looking at a transposed score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Or you can look at the score and see if there are significant disharmonies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,043 Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 JURASSIC PARK - End of incident at Isla Nublar (literally one sustained note), The Encased Mosquito, Meeting with Mr. Hammond, Cartoon Demonstration, You Bred Raptors, The History Lesson, (last few seconds of) An Ailing Monster, The Coming Storm, The Trouble With Dennis, The T-Rex Chase etc...)THE LOST WORLD - (Datameister, did you a great job with the Finale files - but I demand higher quality!) Tonnes of unreleased stuff here. Some track into the film but most of it unused.The first three Indy scoresOBSESSIONVERTIGOTHE BRIDE WORE BLACKCAPE FEARIT'S ALIVE!THE OMENUuh, yeah, I was more thinking of individual cues. I'm not gonna record entire scores.Don't worry, I meant the unreleased cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Continuing Data's conversation, I would look at the key signatures of each part. If the key signature of a non-transposing instrument, like the flute in C, is Bb, then the instruments like clarinet, trumpet, and horn would show key signatures other than Bb in a transposed score. In a concert pitch score, everybody would be in Bb.I'm spoiled because while I've been playing music in concert bands for 20 years, I play a non-transposing instrument, so I'm spoiled when it comes to transposing anything on the fly that's not an octave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 Here is my promised list of mockup candidates!Priority 1 - Likely never even recorded, or recorded but isn't in the film or on CD/boots/video games1975 - Jaws1m6s Typewriter Chord1984 - Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom 1m7/2m1 Through Chinatown [bars 52-55]2m3b Snowbank Sweetener5m1 Entrance Of The Boy King5m2b Exchange Of Glances9m2 Willy In The Fryer [this one is partially used in film, but is mostly missing]1989 - Indiana Jones and the The Last Crusade7m2 Insert #211m4/12m1 The Canyon Of The Crescent Moon [first minute of the cue only, the rest is in the film and on CD]10m1 Insert 210m1 Insert 310m1 Insert A1991 - Hook13m2 To War!! [original bar 37ish section only]15m2 The End Of Hook [bars 27-40]1993 - Jurassic Park9m2 The T-Rex Chase [sections from beginning and end missing from film]12m2 Hungry Raptor [sections from beginning and end missing from film]1997 - The Lost World6M2-7M1 Pt I Up in a Basket [section missing from film only]6M2-7M1 Pt II Up in a Basket10M1 Rialto Ripples [sections missing from film only]11M3-12M1 High Bar and Ceiling Tiles [sections missing from film only]12M3 Ludlow's Speech [ending only]12M5 Monster on the Loose [section missing in film only]14M2 The Saving Dart [ending only]2001 - Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone2m4 Insert Diagon Alley RevealQuidditch and the Great Gryffindor Victory2002 - Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets1m1 Prologue: Book II [sections that weren't revised only]2004 - Harry Potter and the Prisoner Of Azkaban02 1M3A That's a Lie03 1M4X Aunt Marge Points the Finger10 1M9B Second Collision [ending only]14 2M3 The Train to Hogwarts Version II24 3MC Befriending the Hippogriff [last third of the cue]30 3M7A Clown Out of the Cupboard [beginning only]29 3M7X New Beginning32 3M10 Remembering Mother36 3ME The Great Hall Ceiling [ending only]39 4M2 Quidditch 2004 [ending only]40 4M2XV Choral Overlay41 4M3+4 Enter Winter [first half]42 4M3+4 New Woods Walk and Birds Flight [first half]43 4M5 Map to Snow Scene45 4M10 Brief Snow Scene [section at end]48 4M14 Dueling the Dementor49 4M14 Insert for Patronus Light50 5M1 Buckbeak's Sentence [section at end]51 5M2 Reading the Map [section near beginning]52 5M2A Reveal Your Secret54 5M5 The Crystal Ball [section]61 6M2 The Confrontation Scene [sections removed from film]62 6M4 Sirius and Harry [last two thirds]66 6M5AN First Frozen Lake69 7M1A Saving Buckbeak [ending only]72 7M2A String Overlay73 7M3 Buckbeak Saves the Day [opening only]78 7M7 Ext Whomping Willow80 7M9 Lupin's Departure [opening only]81 7M11 A New Broomstick2005 - Revenge Of The Sith1m4A "Get 'Em R-2!" [bars cut from film only]4m6 I Am The Senate [ending only]Revenge Of The Sith (DVD Version) [original opening only]2005 - Memoirs Of A GeishaSomebody other than me will have to figure out this one!Priority 2 - Only available recording is in the film itself, probably covered by sound effects1984 - Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom 2m2a Bar 34 Insert2m2b Bar 76 Insert2m4 The Indian Village3m1 The Old Priest's Tale3m2 The Child Returns3m2a Alternate Beginning5m1x The Emperor's Entrance5m2a The First Supper7m2 More Sacrifice7m1a Sacrifice Sweetener7m1d Percussion Sweetener - One7m2d Percussion Sweetener - Two7m3d Percussion Sweetener - Three7m4/8m1 Insert8m2 Moloram's Speech8m3 The Evil Potion9m1x Sacrifice Continued11m1 Insert1989 - Indiana Jones and the The Last Crusade1m4-2m1x Sweetener5m3 Intro9m2 Final Ending10m1 Insert 210m3-11m1 Insert 110m3-11m1 Insert 21991 - Hook13m2 Insert Bar 3713m3 Insert1993 - Jurassic Park1m1 Incident at Isla Nublar [final note only]1m2 The Encased Mosquito2m1 The Entrance of Mr. Hammond3m3 Cartoon Demonstration4m2 You Bred Raptors5m1 The History Lesson6m3 The Coming Storm8m1 The Trouble with Dennis9m2 The T-Rex Chase11m112m2 Hungry Raptor1997 - The Lost World4M1 Fire at Camp4M2 Corporate Choppers5M2 Big Feet5M3-6M1 Spilling Petrol5M3-6M1 Pt II Horning In6M2-7M1 Pt I Up in a Basket7M2-8M1 Pain of Glass8M2 Truck Stop [section dialed out of OST only]8M3 Reading the Map10M1 Rialto Ripples11M3-12M1 High Bar and Ceiling Tiles12M3 Ludlow's Speech12M5 Monster on the LoosePriority 3 - The recording has appeared on bootlegs1989 - Indiana Jones and the The Last Crusade2m3-3m1 Sinister Visitors3m2a The Holy Grail4m2 Beneath The Floors6m2 Discussing The Book6m2x New Ending6m36m4 Market Source8m2 Koeniggraetzer March9m2 New Ending10m1 Insert 110m1 Fix for Bar 6512m2 The Penitent Man Will Pass1991 - Hook4M5-5M1 Revised Ending9M4 Insert13M1 Tink Grows Up15m2 The End Of HookI'm sure this list isn't complete, please feel free to post other cues that we have sheet music for but not recordings of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 1993 - Jurassic Park1m1 Incident at Isla Nublar [final note only]I'm voting for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Revenge Of The Sith (DVD Version) [original opening only]There's something missing at the beginning besides a clean ending? Are you talking about those notes that appear directly before in the film, where Bail and Yoda speed off, or was there something else that they removed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted May 17, 2011 Author Share Posted May 17, 2011 Williams revised the intro before it was recorded. The sheet music contains his original intro, which was possibly never recorded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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