RedBard 71 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 If TGP was here he would call me an ignorant asshole!I don't even need to anymore. This post is evidence of that.I'm your ghost Steffy. Banging away at the bookshelf of your mind.It's Steef.How was your travel through the black hole? Was it scientifically accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I though Lee was the only one who tends to leave in a hissy fit, only to come crawling back...Who said anything about leaving? I'm still communing privately, reading, and posting (very selectively). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBard 71 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Your avatar will be missed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Where do they get the ressources to build the space stations? The earth is full of dust and everyone is dying, there's no more factories etc...If Dr. Brand never intended for the space station to work, how come it can be modified to work so easily with some mathematical equation. Surely the basic design must have been non functional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Where do they get the ressources to build the space stations? The earth is full of dust and everyone is dying, there's no more factories etc...Nowhere in the film is it stated that there are no more factories. Resources are obviously scarce, but materials like aluminum, and plastics do you just dissapear KM. They kan be re-used.If Dr. Brand never intended for the space station to work, how come it can be modified to work so easily with some mathematical equation. Surely the basic design must have been non functional.IIRC it was never stated that Brand never intended for his space station to work. He started his equation in earnest hoping to find the solution of the gravity problem. Obviously the space station would have been a functional design. Only later when Plan A turned out not to be viable did he continue to use it as a ploy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I feel like this movie deliberately set out to mislead me or pull the wool over my eyes in almost every scene. It's not the type of fantasy film where you can just say "heck it's just a movie", because it relies on an Internet nerd fanbase to defend it and find a way to make everything seem plausible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Why is that Nolan movies get the most nitpicking?I mean I haven't seen another blockbuster torn apart so much here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Why is that Nolan movies get the most nitpicking?I mean I haven't seen another blockbuster torn apart so much here...Yeah, sure... Hilarious, especially coming from you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Well, what I don't pick on those movies for small logic mistakes, minor plot holes, etc...it has way bigger problems than that.But it seems every minute detail about this film is being picked on. You've got to give credit to Nolan, he keeps his fanboys and haters pretty attentive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Interstellar is vulnerable to criticism because it's a real proper sci-fi film which has rather flaunted the fact that it's been made as "scientifically accurate" as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Why is that Nolan movies get the most nitpicking?I mean I haven't seen another blockbuster torn apart so much here...because they are better films Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 For you Interstellar is probably the vegan of 2014 cinema? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 No it still has some marvelous moments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Interstellar is vulnerable to criticism because it's a real proper sci-fi film which has rather flaunted the fact that it's been made as "scientifically accurate" as possible.Flaunted by who? Everyone besides the filmmaking team. Invalid criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Not at all. If you claim scientific accuracy you should be prepared to take flack if there are errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 But that's what I'm saying. They're not claiming scientific accuracy, other people are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Their goal was to be as scientifically accurate as possible Koray. Just ask Grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Earl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 " Cup of Earl Grey?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Yes, please!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Sure. As possible. And it is aside from one or two artistic stretches. Just got out for the fifth time. I think the credits cue was totally different and it seemed like some dialogue had been dialed up a bit more. Theater was full. This has some strong legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Ok, the gloves are off!TGP. Is it believable that Mann or any of the astronauts who were send though initially, or the Endurance mission would land blindly on a planet without first scanning it using the technology that NASA uses even today to ascertain the composition and conditions on ever planet or moon is our solar system?The fact is that they could have known about the waves, or the freezing temperatures and lack of oxygen before setting foot on these planets. The reason that none of this was adressed is because the film would not have worked if it was.Its a pretty big one that cannot be easily explained away, IMO. And ive tried! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 They had budget cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Oh my goodness. We talked about this. Twice!The most succinct answer is that you overestimate our ability to "scan" planets for such things. Consider how little of that we've been able to do in our own solar system. Miller's planet seemed to be shrouded in cloud cover. So is Venus. We had to land there to know what was up. Mann's planet is similar - the surface beyond the cloud structures was never even glimpsed. Mann could make up whatever he wanted. But as with any film, you can either accept the events presented to you, or you can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Bullshit!If you can fire 12 or 13 rockets then you can build a scanner. Its not new tech.Oh my goodness. We talked about this. Twice!Link! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Now WB instantly pays you a huge sum to shut up about this important revelation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 There's too much of a disconnect between the various technologies in the film, that annoyed me a lotSuper advanced robots and spaceships, building giant space stations...surePeople using 2013 laptops and medical tech because of lack of resources..no problemIt essentially presents a world set in 2014 but with selective gear 100 years more advancedThe basic way on how they presented the movie's world seems flawed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 NASA and the military have better technology than civilians. That's reality now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Yet they cant scan an unknown planet from its orbit so the astronauts can determine if it's suitable for human live without landing?Come on TGP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Did you read my post or are you just being a pain? I know which. But no, they can't. Again, you couldn't "scan" Venus from orbit and know much about what's actually happening at the surface. Planetary science was not my specialization but some light reading on the subject should put things in perspective. Especially since we aren't relying on rudimentary data transmissions through a wormhole. Mark, nothing of NASA in the film is radically more advanced than what we have now. Not at all. The robots are the biggest leap. The final advances, the stations, only come after fundamental improvements to our understanding of physics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 TGP you edited your post after your initial line.We never landed on Venus. Or Atleast we never set foot on it. And we never will because its too inhospitable.That's actually my point.In real life NASA would never send a manned mission without having scanned a planet, sent satellites to it, land Rovers. Thats what they do now!Even in the events of the film where needs must they would have equipted the 12 missions with some means yo gauge the conditions of a planet without forcing an astronaut to set foot on there. Hell one of those robots could do it!Landing on a planet without knowing what to expect is Star Wars or Flash Gordon territory For a film that attempts to be as realistic and plausible as possible it's really a death knell! And the only way it works if, like you, you chose to ignore it or look past it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Landing on a planet without knowing what to expect is Star Wars or Flash Gordon territoryHehehe... I like where this is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 It's not ignoring. I wouldn't even notice these things because I don't watch movies that way. But people bring them up and I explain why they shouldn't care. That's my point. Plot dissections don't have to rule your enjoyment of a film. You can go along for the ride and accept what's happening. And if you happen to notice something, it's easy enough to imagine an explanation.In fact, a single line from Doyle explains all of this. "Hence the bravery." They're not going out for survey jaunts. And they seem to realize and accept that. It's a last-ditch effort.You assume they "could" have done all these things to prepare. Well, maybe they just couldn't! They have two robots. "It's what the government could spare." And they're needed for the final mission. So they couldn't have done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Normally I would agree. But Interstellar isnt really a movie of imagination. It's hardcore would be science porn. Certainly in its second half.Maybe translating theoretical physics into real life situations doesn't make for an ideal marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I think it does.Physics = real life situations.And all films are films of the imagination past a certain threshold of exposition. It's utterly impossible not to be. One could demand a complete history of the universe for the context of every story ever told. Or you could just sit back and relax. And it's very odd how people can't watch this film in that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I know you do. And I wish i could too. It's certainly an impressive film. But the Earth parts are more interesting then the interstellar bits, and i'm not sure thats the intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I like the Earth parts too. And you know, considering the familial focus of the filmmakers, I wonder if it really isn't the intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I dunno. Once they go out into space it becomes a bit too much a Nolan film i guess. With characters talking at each other rather then too each other. The Earth stuff is sooo human! I really hope Nolan will continue along that path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 The Earth stuff was too syrupy, the space stuff was too cold.I guess I can never be satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 That much is certain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I did like the take-off, though!Perfect balance of emotions there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 The goodbye scene directly followed by the take off! Damn powerful stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Nah, the goodbye scene was syrupy as hell.Take-off for the win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Heartbreaking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 The Earth stuff was too syrupy, the space stuff was too cold.I guess I can never be satisfied.Typical woman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Alex? You're a woman now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Already padding that postcount, I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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