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As i said, you are exactly such casual viewers (see Quote). I at least cant be such a superficial viewer that anything pretty and new will satisfy me. If TLJ at least had any Worldbuilding and would make sense in the SW universe, but sadly nope. It just exists in an isolated bubble with the first order fleet and no name planets, while the rest of the galaxy is reduced to the opening crawl and non answered signals by alleged and never be heard nor seen of allies in the Outer Rim! Talk about making sense here ...... what a cop out

Yes, this is the point: considered in the context of the SW universe, I did not find it disappointing. It could have been better, for sure, but there are other entries in the franchise that I consider much worse, also in the plot. It is ok to expect something better, but frankly, this movie was bashed in an excessive way almost everywhere on the internet. I found the aggressive reaction of many fans to be disproportionate to the flaws of the movie. You consider other entries worse in the plot than TLJ? You can only mean the Ewok films or the holiday special because all the other starwars films have a miles better plot (except TFA which has a shit plot, but still better than TLJ). Maybe if you switch off your brain completely during TLJ you could consider the plot ok. TLJ was the greatest dissappointment i have ever experienced in terms of Starwars. It was a complete trainwreck of a movie, which completely disregarded the story- and worldbuilding of the SW Universe just to satisfy Rian Johnsons desire for stupid pseudo twists that make neither sense nor are in any ways exciting. It was juts a huge huge letdown in all respects... almost a starwars parody! Sorry but that statement makes no sense at all! Face the facts, TLJ is a very bad starwars film and the worst of all saga films by far! Exactly, i agree. TLJ seems to only be good for casual viewers who switch off their brains, ignore the myriad of plot holes, the missing in universe logic and non-existing worldbuilding -> exactly the audience who loves all the marvel films where any logic long was thrown overboard for the cheap thrills

1. Prisoner of Azkaban 2. War Horse 3. Revenge of the Sith 4. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone 5. A.I. Artificial Intelligence 6. Catch me if you can 7. The Force Awakens 8. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets 9. The Terminal 10. Attack of the Clones

1. The Force Theme 2. Main Theme / Lukes Theme 3. Imperial March 4. Luke and Leia 5. Duel of the Fates 6. The Emperors Theme 7. Reys Theme 8. Han and the Princess 9. Across the Stars 10. Shmis Theme

Maybe because it's one of my favorite John Williams scores of all time? Does it click now for you? You do realize that JWFAN is a filmmusic forum??? After the failure and complete trainwreck of TLJ you certainly are in the minority, if you still believe TPM is arguably the worst SW film Sadly TFA isn't much better now, TLJ didnt bother to fix any of TFA's huge problems and instead made them worse.

ESB>SW>ROTS>TPM>R1>ROTJ>AOTC>TFA>TLJ The sequel trilogy so far is a big failure. They make absolutely no sense in the context of the starwars universe. After TLJ i can only see them as an incredibly expensive and stupid Starwars parody.

Guess i will have to update this for TFA and TLJ

Bilbo, if you really think the Thrawn Trilogy is a pile of shit then the Sequel Trilogy films are a few boatloads of shits to use your language. Agreed, exactly what i wanted to show with my long posting. @Holko Even if you look at these "explanations" it still is incredibly stupid and makes no sense. No government even after disarmarment keeps its military only in one location. Even if they did, a substantial part of the fleet would be flying around in the galaxy to secure order and peace in republic space. They would also have Republic military bases scattered across the galaxy etc. So a substantial part of the Republic fleet must still be out there.

Ever heard of the Thrawn Trilogy Starwars books of the now officially alternate starwars canon. This is an original story much better than the ST, which doesn't diminish anything achieved in RotJ and also has a plausible backstory that makes sense involving the whole Starwars Galaxy. So this is easily possible, if an author really cares.

I watched quite some films with lots of potential, where i had no emotional connection whatsoever, that failed miserably in my eyes because the backstory made no sense. So even though i had no connection to these films, the substantial story failures ruined these films for me and made me lose any interest.

What has a film making sense and having a plausible believable backstory to do with an emotional connection?

What? Since when is it okay for films not to make any sense anymore??? I certainly won't switch off my brain like in your standard blockbuster. The Starwars universe deserves much more and George Lucas and Lucasfilm delivered for more than 40 years till the Disney sellout. Starwars always had this sprawling and plausible world since 1977. Look at the PT and OT films in conjunction with the books and computer games. It all made sense! Now suddenly Disney ruins all that with the ST and we just shall accept that? Thats why it is a parody for me. I can't take these films serious anymore. George Lucas made it work for over 40 years and DIsney with the ST suddenly completely fucks this up!

A very uneven film indeed. The biggest thing that bugs me is that the backstory with the Republic and the Resistance is so dumb that you really can't take the sequel trilogy serious anymore - it's almost a parody by this point! Nothing makes any sense, if you start to think about the state of the galaxy! I hoped TLJ would solve this problem that was introduced in TFA but i was wrong. It even made it worse! After TLJ everything good that was achieved in the OT (the end of the dictatorship and the installation of a democracy in the form of the New Republic, the New Jedi Order, the achieved Peace in the galaxy) is now gone -> it invalidates the complete OT and kind of resets everything in the dumbest way possible. (Also Luke dying without even one last cool lightsaber fight was an additional bummer!) The Starwars Galaxy always made sense in the OT and PT. It was a living breathing universe of thousands of worlds with its own "magical" elements like the Jedi but it made sense within its own rules. The different fractions reacted naturally and their power levels and influence were explained in the films themselves. The state of the galaxy was plausible and understandable! Both Sequel films completely fuck this up, by disregarding all other planets, fractions and systems apart from the planets our main characters visit. In addition apart from Canto Bight all of these planets are sort of isolated remote worlds which play no role in the greater galaxy. The new films follow the logic of a 5 year old kid. If you destroy the main system of the republic (2-3 planets in close proximity including the capital world, then magically the whole republic is destroyed. They even want to make us believe the Republic is so stupid to station the main part of its military force only in this one system?!?!) The Republic is a union of hundreds of star systems with thousands of worlds. Of course at any given point substantial parts of the Republic military are on all kinds of missions out in the galaxy and located on other spread out military bases. All these ships and sector fleets are still intact and alive after the Starkiller base attack. Still in TFA its is said that the republic fleet was destroyed - WTF - this can't be the case! In the opening crawl of TFA and also in General Hux speech before the Starkiller attack it is mentioned that the Republic government supports the "Resistance". This makes no sense without further elaboration (which is sadly not given in both films). If the Republic as the main military and ruling force in the galaxy supports the Resistance, then a resistance isn't even necessary. The Republic and the Republic military would solve the job themselves. What does the name "Resistance" even mean, what do they resist? The main ruling and military power is the Republic, did they resist both the Republic and the First Order in TFA? Then in TLJ the Resistance suddenly has a Mon Calamari cruiser and three smaller ships, but the Republic military still is nowhere to be seen. Where do these ships come from and why weren't they part of the Starkiller Base Attack? Also other fractions are nowhere to be seen -> the whole sprawling starwars galaxy is just completely disregarded and instead we follow this 4-ship Resistance "fleet" as it is hunted down and destroyed one by one till only 20 people survive. The only mention of a greater starwars galaxy is their emergency signal on Crait to alert potential allies in the outer rim but no one seems to answer.... The sequel trilogy is a trainwreck of a story! I really liked the new TFA JW score and the energy and playfullness especially with the returning TFA themes. I love Rose theme and the Canto bight source music. Also the Fathiers track is fantastic and reminds me of the TOD score.

No one knows that, he may even win one for the Post.

Will order CE3K and probably Titanic today. I had a more than a month long delivery time for the Jurassic Box last year. The Austrian Postal service /customs were responsible and sadly ruined the christmas delivery. The box only arrived in January. Hope to have more luck this year!

I'm judging the books/story only: Game of Thrones, because it was the best reading experience i ever had. The LotR books were like sleeping pills in comparison (and i still liked them very much).

What you posted is sadly not this unreleased piece. It's a rearrangement of parts of the Padmes Funeral piece but it employs a full choir and misses at least one Imperial march counterpoint appearance and lacks the subtelty of the film piece. It's more a continuation of the "standard" funeral theme arrangement coming from TPM and playing during the Birth of Darth Vader in ROTS. In the film for Padmes Funeral the funeral theme is sung only by a women choir supported with subtle instrumentation and then the counterpoint with the Force Theme and the Imperial March starts and it gets purely instrumental.

My favorite is PoA. Completely utterly fantastic score!!!

30-1:25 Padmes funeral immediately comes to mind. Best moment of the ROTS score and unreleased!

The Force Theme (See my signature )

24 has always been one of my favorite shows, also the later seasons 7 and 8. Of course you have to switch off the brain from times to times (like in virtually all action movies). For me, 24 always had a unique mix of thriller, action, drama and politics sprinkled with honest and true family dynamics mainly between Jack and his loved ones (His wife, daughter and girlfriends). Then you also have the equally unique realtime aspect. It's true that in later seasons there is a lot of repetition and seasoned 24 viewers couldn't be surprised that easily anymore. You just anticipate certain plot twists. Nevertheless, the enjoyment for me was and is still there, because the mix of all these elements is still just so damn good. Of course i don't overanalyze and accept certain weaknesses and stupid plot holes. Also honestly the music of 24 is a real highlight, at least in the first eight seasons. Sadly it's about 90% library and electronic and only 10% real instruments. Sean Callery really did a great job to create a number of themes and action riffs/motifs and be creative, even though he had limited budget and time. In terms of impact, his music elevates many scenes from good to great and also creates highly emotional moments in combination with Kiefer Sutherlands fantastic acting. Take for example his "family theme", which is used to great effect in many moments of Jack and his Daughter and/or Jack and his Wife. He dropped the ball a bit for season 9 with only one significant new theme for Heller in the stadium and a bit too much undescript action music. This sadly continues at least in the first two 24 legacy episodes. Proper action riffs/motifs are missing so far and also the new "main theme" is too generic for my taste.

Ah okay, i thought i read that somewhere on a trek site years ago... Can you point out some cool appearances of the voyager theme in the episode scores? I only know the main title and end title arrangements.

Is it true that Goldsmiths Voyager theme was only used in one actual episode score apart from the pilot?

100% agreed. For me War Horse and PoA are his best scores since 2000!

For me number one must be Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. It's in my top 3 list of JWs best scores and absolutely deserves a complete expansion.