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    paleo got a reaction from Pieter Boelen in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    Ah, I don't think it's quite that dire. True, it's probably not comparable to what Williams did in the 80s-90s (KotCS wasn't either imo, by the way), but I still consider it satisfactory as an Indy score overall. Certainly better than 95 % of other current scores for similar movies.
  2. Haha
    paleo got a reaction from Pieter Boelen in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    Well, I was wondering how Williams scored the discovery of the Spear of Longinus, and it happens to be music for the false grail from Last Crusade. Quite appropriate, I think :-)
  3. Really Sad
    paleo got a reaction from Pieter Boelen in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    He just seems to love to do this. LC was even worse. The album was shorter and actually almost sounded like a different score than the one heard in the movie.
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    paleo got a reaction from Tydirium in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (James Mangold, June 30 2023)   
    I just went to see the movie, and lucky me! There was a super loud beach party at the public swimming pool next to the theater, plus, the sound volume of the movie was low. The experience was near-ruined for me especially during the quieter moments because of all the bawling and boom-boom-boom noise.
    Anyway, rant out of the way, I really liked the movie, and I thought the climax was handled quite well (I had feared much worse). There could have been a lot more tomb and cave exploring, ancient riddles or booby traps for my taste, but the action was good. I did notice many interesting snippets of music not on the album; funny enough, once again the climax moments of finding and using the MacGuffin are not released, like so often before. Here it's not as regrettable as in Last Crusade, though.
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    paleo reacted to Jilal in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    Thought it'd be fun to assemble a list of all cues from previous scores referenced in the prologue. In order of appearance:
     
    X Marks the Spot (TLC)
    Keeper of the Grail (TLC) [Thanks to @paleo!]
    Belly of the Steel Beast (TLC)
    R3P4-R4P1 The Medallion (ROTLA)
    R11P4 The Broken Bridge (TOD)
    R1P6 Once in a Vial (TOD)
    R8P5 Pffist Fight (ROTLA)
    R2P2 The Boat Scene (TLC)
    R10P3-R11P1 On the Tank (TLC)
    3M5 The Conveyor Belt (Minority Report)
    3M4 Anderton's Great Escape (Minority Report)
    R2PA Sub Commander (1941)
    7M53 Kathy Kennedy's Great Flying Machine (KOTCS)
    5M38 Andy's Full Nelson (KOTCS)
    R10P6 The Nazi Hideout (ROTLA)
    2M8C Indy Versus The Russian (KOTCS)
    2M11 Prairie Dog and Nuclear Cloud (KOTCS)
    R1P3 The Rolling Ball (ROTLA)
    End Credits (ROTLA)
     
    I also seem to recognize the following two bits, but can't quite place them:
     
    unidentified.mp3
     
    unidentified2.mp3
     
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    paleo got a reaction from willieround83 in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    Ah, I don't think it's quite that dire. True, it's probably not comparable to what Williams did in the 80s-90s (KotCS wasn't either imo, by the way), but I still consider it satisfactory as an Indy score overall. Certainly better than 95 % of other current scores for similar movies.
  7. Surprised
    paleo got a reaction from Brando in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    Well, I was wondering how Williams scored the discovery of the Spear of Longinus, and it happens to be music for the false grail from Last Crusade. Quite appropriate, I think :-)
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    paleo got a reaction from Pieter Boelen in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (James Mangold, June 30 2023)   
    I just went to see the movie, and lucky me! There was a super loud beach party at the public swimming pool next to the theater, plus, the sound volume of the movie was low. The experience was near-ruined for me especially during the quieter moments because of all the bawling and boom-boom-boom noise.
    Anyway, rant out of the way, I really liked the movie, and I thought the climax was handled quite well (I had feared much worse). There could have been a lot more tomb and cave exploring, ancient riddles or booby traps for my taste, but the action was good. I did notice many interesting snippets of music not on the album; funny enough, once again the climax moments of finding and using the MacGuffin are not released, like so often before. Here it's not as regrettable as in Last Crusade, though.
  9. Thanks
    paleo got a reaction from Jilal in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Score in the film) - SPOILERS ALLOWED!   
    There's definitely "Keeper of the Grail" in there, too
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    paleo got a reaction from Pieter Boelen in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    I might watch Jungle Cruise later tonight... just to bridge the time till I can go to the movies tomorrow.
  11. Really Sad
    paleo got a reaction from Pieter Boelen in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    True, I guess. Though I had expected more from JNH.
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    paleo got a reaction from Pieter Boelen in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    I've listened to the album several times now, and I must say I like it even more now. I rarely manage to listen to complete albums, let alone repeatedly, but Williams does not disappoint. Even what I presume is Archimedes' theme really grew on me, despite it being rather understated for a MacGuffin concept.
     
    My personal highlights are not the action pieces (great as they mostly are), however, but 0:11 - 0:45 in "Archimedes' Tomb" and, to a lesser extent, 0:14 - 0:50 in "The Grafikos"; I just love these myterious, suspenseful discovery cues Williams writes. Somehow none of the composers of similar movies (Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Jungle Cruise etc.) quite managed to meet my taste so far. I do hope there's a little more of this in the actual movie.
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    paleo got a reaction from Cerebral Cortex in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    I've listened to the album several times now, and I must say I like it even more now. I rarely manage to listen to complete albums, let alone repeatedly, but Williams does not disappoint. Even what I presume is Archimedes' theme really grew on me, despite it being rather understated for a MacGuffin concept.
     
    My personal highlights are not the action pieces (great as they mostly are), however, but 0:11 - 0:45 in "Archimedes' Tomb" and, to a lesser extent, 0:14 - 0:50 in "The Grafikos"; I just love these myterious, suspenseful discovery cues Williams writes. Somehow none of the composers of similar movies (Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Jungle Cruise etc.) quite managed to meet my taste so far. I do hope there's a little more of this in the actual movie.
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    paleo got a reaction from Brando in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    I've listened to the album several times now, and I must say I like it even more now. I rarely manage to listen to complete albums, let alone repeatedly, but Williams does not disappoint. Even what I presume is Archimedes' theme really grew on me, despite it being rather understated for a MacGuffin concept.
     
    My personal highlights are not the action pieces (great as they mostly are), however, but 0:11 - 0:45 in "Archimedes' Tomb" and, to a lesser extent, 0:14 - 0:50 in "The Grafikos"; I just love these myterious, suspenseful discovery cues Williams writes. Somehow none of the composers of similar movies (Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Jungle Cruise etc.) quite managed to meet my taste so far. I do hope there's a little more of this in the actual movie.
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    paleo got a reaction from Chewy in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    I've listened to the album several times now, and I must say I like it even more now. I rarely manage to listen to complete albums, let alone repeatedly, but Williams does not disappoint. Even what I presume is Archimedes' theme really grew on me, despite it being rather understated for a MacGuffin concept.
     
    My personal highlights are not the action pieces (great as they mostly are), however, but 0:11 - 0:45 in "Archimedes' Tomb" and, to a lesser extent, 0:14 - 0:50 in "The Grafikos"; I just love these myterious, suspenseful discovery cues Williams writes. Somehow none of the composers of similar movies (Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Jungle Cruise etc.) quite managed to meet my taste so far. I do hope there's a little more of this in the actual movie.
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    paleo reacted to crumbs in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    Plenty more of it! Those two cues you mentioned condense about 20 minutes of movie into 4 minutes of music.
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    paleo got a reaction from Tydirium in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    I've listened to the album several times now, and I must say I like it even more now. I rarely manage to listen to complete albums, let alone repeatedly, but Williams does not disappoint. Even what I presume is Archimedes' theme really grew on me, despite it being rather understated for a MacGuffin concept.
     
    My personal highlights are not the action pieces (great as they mostly are), however, but 0:11 - 0:45 in "Archimedes' Tomb" and, to a lesser extent, 0:14 - 0:50 in "The Grafikos"; I just love these myterious, suspenseful discovery cues Williams writes. Somehow none of the composers of similar movies (Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Jungle Cruise etc.) quite managed to meet my taste so far. I do hope there's a little more of this in the actual movie.
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    paleo got a reaction from Holko in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    I've listened to the album several times now, and I must say I like it even more now. I rarely manage to listen to complete albums, let alone repeatedly, but Williams does not disappoint. Even what I presume is Archimedes' theme really grew on me, despite it being rather understated for a MacGuffin concept.
     
    My personal highlights are not the action pieces (great as they mostly are), however, but 0:11 - 0:45 in "Archimedes' Tomb" and, to a lesser extent, 0:14 - 0:50 in "The Grafikos"; I just love these myterious, suspenseful discovery cues Williams writes. Somehow none of the composers of similar movies (Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Jungle Cruise etc.) quite managed to meet my taste so far. I do hope there's a little more of this in the actual movie.
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    paleo got a reaction from Bellosh in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    I've listened to the album several times now, and I must say I like it even more now. I rarely manage to listen to complete albums, let alone repeatedly, but Williams does not disappoint. Even what I presume is Archimedes' theme really grew on me, despite it being rather understated for a MacGuffin concept.
     
    My personal highlights are not the action pieces (great as they mostly are), however, but 0:11 - 0:45 in "Archimedes' Tomb" and, to a lesser extent, 0:14 - 0:50 in "The Grafikos"; I just love these myterious, suspenseful discovery cues Williams writes. Somehow none of the composers of similar movies (Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Jungle Cruise etc.) quite managed to meet my taste so far. I do hope there's a little more of this in the actual movie.
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    paleo got a reaction from crumbs in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    I've listened to the album several times now, and I must say I like it even more now. I rarely manage to listen to complete albums, let alone repeatedly, but Williams does not disappoint. Even what I presume is Archimedes' theme really grew on me, despite it being rather understated for a MacGuffin concept.
     
    My personal highlights are not the action pieces (great as they mostly are), however, but 0:11 - 0:45 in "Archimedes' Tomb" and, to a lesser extent, 0:14 - 0:50 in "The Grafikos"; I just love these myterious, suspenseful discovery cues Williams writes. Somehow none of the composers of similar movies (Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Jungle Cruise etc.) quite managed to meet my taste so far. I do hope there's a little more of this in the actual movie.
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    paleo got a reaction from Tydirium in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (Disney Records Original Soundtrack Album) - NO FILM SPOILERS!   
    I bought the album at midnight and listened to it till 2 am. Very happy overall :-). I like the score much better than KotCS already (even though the album situation is indeed frustrating). Sure, the theme(s) for the MacGuffin concept (at least I think that's what they must be) at the end of "Prologue" are no match for the grail or ark themes, but the overall tone is much closer to what I consider the Indy sound than KotCS. I especially love "Archimedes' Tomb", "Grafikos", "Water Ballet", and "Tuk Tuk...". Now can't wait to see the movie this weekend.
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    paleo got a reaction from WampaRat in Hans Zimmer's DUNE (2021)   
    Well, I always enjoy reading it ;-)
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    paleo got a reaction from WampaRat in Hans Zimmer's DUNE (2021)   
    Interesting; have to check this when I get home. But I think you forgot the Harkonnen screech (for a lack of better words), heard all the time when Rabban is on screen
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    paleo reacted to WampaRat in Hans Zimmer's DUNE (2021)   
    Thought I’d share this little thematic glossary I put together. I was initially among those who thought this was a “monothematic score”- probably because the main theme is used the most throughout the film. The names are my own invention so you might call them something else or attribute them to a different idea. But there’s a good handful here. Funny how Zimmer stated how he never thought of this score in the way of “themes”. Perhaps he meant in the leitmotific way. This is definitely not LOTR. But he’s got some great tunes in here that seem loosely connected to certain feelings/ideas that reoccur on screen. As simple as they may be. This score is great. It bares repeated listens and is not as punchy as PoTC or even the Dark Knight. But I really enjoy it:
     
    Dune “A Theme” Main Theme(?) Slower 8 note phrase (4 notes played lower on the scale with the following 4 up higher). Used for a lot of BIG moments.  EPIIIIC 🤪 When played faster it functions as a “B theme” of sorts. This ostinato version  plays under the slower version or plays by itself.
    (Leaving Caladan-(1:19-1:39)”A theme”
    (Ripples in the Sand- (1:10-1:35)(4:20-5:05) “A theme”
    (Visions of Chani-(3:25-3:54) “A theme”
    (Herold of Change -(0:00-0:26) “B theme”
    (Leaving Caladan- (0:28-1:15) “B theme”
     
     Fate/ “The One” theme- more mystical/slightly sinister theme (similar to Commodus theme in Gladiator) Sometimes played as a “war cry” in regards to Paul’s destiny as a warrior/messiah. 
    (Gom Jabbar-1:13-1:37)
    (The One-0:00-1:40)
    (Pauls Dream- 0:00-1:55)
     
    Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords Some of my favorite moments in the score. Tends to communicate a sense of vast space and possibility. The most “space-y” sounding chords in this sci-fi score.
    (Herald of Change-1:22-2:10)
    (Visions of Chani- 2:28-3:10)
    (Sandstorm-1:10-2:00)
    (Stillsuits- 2:10-4:15)
     
    Tragic Noble Theme-The most “classic Zimmer” anthem tune. Similar to his Bach-inspired theme from Dark Phoenix.Seems to be associated with the burdens of duty/responsibility/leadership.
    (Herald of change- 3:08-3:45)
    (Visions of Chani-0:00-0:37)
    (Blood for Blood- 1:17-1:43)
    (Holy War- 0:00-0:57)
     
    Impending Doom motif-Bad things are gonna happen.Sounds similar to some of the evil monk music in DaVinci Code.Tends to start low and build in intensity.
    (Bene Gesseret- 2:16-2:33)
    (Burning Palms- 2:06-3:45)
    (Holy War- 0:57-2:12)
    (Premonition- 2:00-3:23)
     
    Sorrow/Loss motif- Simple sad little tune. Usually performed by a female voice.
    (Stranded-0:00-End)
    (Blood for Blood- 1:55-End)
    (The Fall- 0:30-1:00)
    (My Road Leads…- 0:00-1:00)
     
    Duncan Idaho motif-
    Heard much more in the film itself. A Brief but noble DarkKnight/Man of Steel mashup sounding motif. But it can be heard on the ost in few spots.
    (Armada-0:27-1:35) a tragic version with the “sorrow theme” on top
    (Burning Palms-0:29-1:10) 
     
    There’s a handful of textures and instrumentation used as part of his soundscape for different locations/peoples. Not hard and fast attributions. But in general …
     
    Bagpipes- House Atreides. Tune appears briefly in “Armada” and then as source music.
     
    Log Drum(?) riff-  Arakis stuff
     
     Whisper/chants - Bene Gesseret stuff
     
    Deep Manipulated throat singing- used for a lot of scenes involving Sardukar or the Baron. 
     
    Harkonon “screech”- strange manipulated shafar horn(?) pops up when Raban the beast is wrecking havoc.
     
    Harkonon “clang”- rhythmic banging pattern often accompanied by the “screech” horn
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