robthehand 3 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 I've got a chance to see this in a cinema in about a week, but I've never seen it before - and I actually know very little about it, other than that's it's supposed to be good.Can any of you recommend (or not recommend) it? I need to decide quite soon whether I want to go to this screening, so I'd appreciate any advice. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 It is okay. I'm not sure if you are seeing the director's cut though considering I got the director's cut version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted January 20, 2007 Author Share Posted January 20, 2007 I believe it's the director's cut. It has a running time of 180 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 I think you right. My DVD cover says it goes for 173 minutes. It's a good film especially for Mozart music lovers but I not one of them. Tomatometer has a rating of 8.6/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 It's an excellent film, although I have not seen the director's cut. If you have a chance to see it on the big screen, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Highly recommended !!I have a director's cut and watch it twize a year but I would stillgo to see it in a cinema if I had a chance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Highly recommended !!I have a director's cut and watch it twize a year...Same Here. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 It's a good film especially for Mozart music lovers but I not one of them.Wrong, it's a good film, especially for anyone who's ever been envious of someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 It's a good film especially for Mozart music lovers but I not one of them.Wrong, it's a good film, especially for anyone who's ever been envious of someone else.Indeed. The story is more about a man who hates his modiocrity than about the greatest childprogidy of all time.And that Abraham dude should have won two oscars for playing both young and old Salieri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Exceptional film, superb acting, score is one of the greatest in history ( ^_^ ). Must see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 The film works because most of us can feel for Salieri, a man who works tirelessly, doing his best to create something beautiful, yet even his hardest work is simply outclassed by the writings of an upstart who doesn't even seem to be trying.Salieri knows his own work is irrelevant, and knows Mozarts is so good, that's why he both loves and hates him.Wether the outcome of the film actually happened in real life or not, this is the best way to tell the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Envy is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 One of the greatest movies ever made. It is quite irrelevent whether or not you like Mozart, Sallieri, classical music, it is a great film about two people, about envy, about music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Envy is bad.To be envious...is to be human! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted January 20, 2007 Author Share Posted January 20, 2007 Envy is bad.To be envious...is to be human!You're both correct. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 It's a good film and if you have a chance to view it on the big screen you should go see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Just go see the film, you'll be extremely glad you did One of the very best of the 80s, and one of my favorites.Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futuremartymcfly 0 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Great film as long as your not disturbed by Mozart's laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Mozart's laugh is awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 Is it accurate to his actual laugh? I kind of doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 One of the greatest movies ever made. It is quite irrelevent whether or not you like Mozart, Sallieri, classical music, it is a great film about two people, about envy, about music.That's is true. I didn't mind the actual film itself. The perfomance was great about these two people telling a life story.Mozart's laugh is awesome.I find Mozart's laugh considerably random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drod400 0 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 This movie was great. I loved the use of Mozart's Music. But his laugh... well thats something else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Envy is bad.To be envious...is to be human! Is that excusing envy, or condemning humanity, I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 What's the point of doing the first if you're not doing the second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo 0 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Sorry but what was that Ender? I didn't quite understand what you're trying to say. Doing the first but not doing the second...what are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Sorry but what was that Ender? I didn't quite understand what you're trying to say. Doing the first but not doing the second...what are you on about?He meant is there any point in excusing envy if you're not condemning humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Is that excusing envy, or condemning humanity, I wonder?It is simply stating a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Not only that, you are a wise man, and a humanist. People, to Steef you listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Amadeus is a must see. The writing of the Confutatis is perhaps the best depiction of music on film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Is that excusing envy, or condemning humanity, I wonder?It is simply stating a fact. Well excuse me for trying to broaden the horizons of this board, philosophically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Humans have some bad traits, and envy is one of them. If you must envy to be human, then humans must be bad, right? Last time I checked, envy is not mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Interesting, but incomplete.Envy is a common human trait, but it is far from the only one.Compasion is another.Most humans are able to show compasion, so being human must be good, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 But envy and compassion are not things that humans must do. You have free will to do what you please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 It's not that simple Mr. Rabbit.Most humans are not able to look at themselve and their actions objectivly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Envy and Compassion are emotions. A human does not have power over these emotions, only to what degree he acts upon them (or not).It's not that simple Mr. Rabbit.Most humans are not able to look at themselve and their actions objectivly. I would think it impossible for one to look at himself objectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 You are right.I've tried, and failed miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Oh I think quite a few people can look at themselves objectively, but are afraid to admit what they see or just don't care. Some change as they grow older and can come to grips with it. Others continue to lie or or live in denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 And Stefan's a deity! If he can't, just think what chance us mere mortals have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Okay, I understand that. I was wrong. You can't prevent yourself from feeling a certain way, but you can prevent yourself from acting on it. However, I do think that you can overcome any envy, hate, pride, or any baggage that you might have. Salieri is the perfect example of a man who let his impulses destroy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Believe me, I have made my share of mistakes.Right now I trust anyone's judgement more then my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Oh I think quite a few people can look at themselves objectively, but are afraid to admit what they see or just don't care. Some change as they grow older and can come to grips with it. Others continue to lie or or live in denial. A person can look subjectively and still see correctly. The point is, everthing we see is colored by a million and one things, particularly when looking inwards. You may be able to see clearly, but it's still gone through a few filters. Objectivity, I think, it having no predisposition at all, hardly something a person can say about himself, I think.Okay, I understand that. I was wrong. You can't prevent yourself from feeling a certain way, but you can prevent yourself from acting on it. However, I do think that you can overcome any envy, hate, pride, or any baggage that you might have. Salieri is the perfect example of a man who let his impulses destroy him. Well, if there's any hope for us it's in that we can overcome these destructive urges. But denying that a problem exists is just a road to failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I can agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I wasn't denying the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I wasn't denying the problem. I wasn't saying you were. I was actually expanding on your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 I love the film! Especially the scene when Mozart dies.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Sadist!Seriously though, anyone here who's seen both versions want to comment on the difference between the TC and the DC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 TC is better. DC adds a couple of informative scenes, but nothing critical, and, overall, does slow down the film a bit, when I think that the TC is practically perfect in every way. The only real additions that I remember was showing in detail the day to day world of teaching pupils (which was really the way the composer made a living), and it showed precisely why Constanza loathes Sallieri (not necassery, we see enough reasons in the TC). My two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 Is the theatrical cut available on DVD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Yup, the original, bare bones DVD contains the TC and the trailer. The Special Edition, IIRC (I lent mine out) contains only the DC, no TC. However it's worth getting for the special features- a good doc and a great commentary by Forman and Schaffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 I might get the original DVD. Is it a decent transfer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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