Williams/Barry/Morricone

[untouchables 0]

Do you think that JW, Barry and Morricone still unsurpassed in film music field and they are the references for other musicians?- I would add M. Jarre too

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

Goldsmith, Steiner, Hermann, Rozsla...?

[Marian Schedenig 8,193]

...North, Bernstein, perhaps Prokofiev, Glass, Nyman...

[MissPadmé 17]

Barry doesnt belong it that league nor does Jarre

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Yes he does, he's been a huge influence to other composers.

[Williamsfan301 11]

...Korngold, Alfred Newman, Tiomkin, Waxman

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Hardly the last two.

[Williamsfan301 11]

Hardly the last two.

Ok, well, maybe not Waxman, but Tiomkin gave us alot of the great Western scores. Not to mention Rawhide!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Eclipsed by Bernstein and Morricone long ago.

[Williamsfan301 11]

Eclipsed by Bernstein and Morricone long ago.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this one. Bernstein and Morricone gave us one hit wonders with their Westerns, but Tiomkin gave us High Noon, Rawhide, Gun Fight at the OK Corral, The Guns of Navarone, and Giant, just to name a few. I think that far outweighs Bernstein and Morricone. Of course, I will grant that Bernstein and Morricone were writing for Westerns when Westerns were becoming less and less fashionable.

Tiomkin also gave us It's a Wonderful Life, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Dial M for Murder. Again all great score to critically acclaimed movies.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

None of those scores are as well remember, as relevant today and as influential as those by Bernstein and Ennio.

[scissorhands 16]

You mean 1 western by Elmer Bernstein and 3 by Morricone? None apart from those are more remembered than Tiomkin's.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

But those are VASTLY more influential then anything Tiomkin ever did....ever.

It's the truth, sorry.

I believe Lukas Kendall even stated that Tiomkin and Waxman do not sell very well, typically.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this one. Bernstein and Morricone gave us one hit wonders with their Westerns, but Tiomkin gave us High Noon, Rawhide, Gun Fight at the OK Corral, The Guns of Navarone, and Giant, just to name a few. I think that far outweighs Bernstein and Morricone.

Woah, woah, woah! Morricone a 1 hit wonder???

A Fistful Of Dollars

For A Few Dollars More

The Good, The Bad And The Ugly

Gui La Testa

Navajo Joe

Once Upon A Time In The West

Death Rides A Horse

My Name Is Nobody

Il Mercenario

Two Mules For Sister Sara

...to name a few.

I don't understand your statement that Morricone started scoring Westerns when they were becoming less popular. Morricone invented an entire genre of Westerns.

Each and every one of those are better than anything Tiomkin has ever done.

Morricone also gave us The Mission, Once Upon A Time In America, Malena, Lolita, The Untouchables...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Ummm...

No not really, actually.

The traditional Western was seriously in decline and it was the Italian Western that got the genre going again.

But in many ways it is a different kind of beast.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

O.K. But that still means he helped create the Spaghetti Western with Leone.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Actually the Spaghetti Western excisted before Leone, though he made the genre popular.

[Bryant Burnette 654]

Do you think that JW, Barry and Morricone still unsurpassed in film music field and they are the references for other musicians?- I would add M. Jarre too

At this point, I think you have to at least consider adding Danny Elfman's name to the list -- assuming that part of what we're talking about here is influence on new film composers. I'm not exactly an expert on Elfman, but I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that the first decade or so of his film-music career produced a number of scores that have been tremendously influential.

All-time, I think the obvious big names at the very top of the list are John Williams, Bernard Herrmann, and Jerry Goldsmith. Probably John Barry, too, and past that, I'm just not well-versed enough to have much to say, although I am knowledgeable enough to at least know some of the names other people hold in high regard (Morricone, Korngold, Jarre, Steiner, etc.).

[untouchables 0]

The three composers i have mentioned have special approach when composing that become imitated, not all composers get their own appraoch when writing;in an interview J. Goldsmith said that he had no approach :the notes come by chance!!!

The jewish sect musicians who invaded Hollywood since 1930 (waxman, Bernestein, Herrmann, Newman family, Tiomkin, North, Goldsmith, Elfmann..) are sharing same style: dissonance, and agressive rhythm...I will except Horner who he commonly use a patchwork of his own scores.

[Williamsfan301 11]

The three composers i have mentioned have special approach when composing that become imitated, not all composers get their own appraoch when writing;in an interview J. Goldsmith said that he had no approach :the notes come by chance!!!

The jewish sect musicians who invaded Hollywood since 1930 (waxman, Bernestein, Herrmann, Newman family, Tiomkin, North, Goldsmith, Elfmann..) are sharing same style: dissonance, and agressive rhythm...I will except Horner who he commonly use a patchwork of his own scores.

What does the fact that they're Jewish have to do with anything? And they invaded? They were escaping Nazi persecution.

And that list doesn't included Goldsmith, Bernstein and Elfman, since they're all born in the US.

[scissorhands 16]

The jewish sect musicians who invaded Hollywood since 1930 (waxman, Bernestein, Herrmann, Newman family, Tiomkin, North, Goldsmith, Elfmann..) are sharing same style: dissonance, and agressive rhythm...

Besides being offensive of the text (invasion of the Jews?), this is the one of the most ignorant statements I've ever read. Stylistically some of those composers share nothing in common.

"Dissonance", "aggresive rythm"... most composers that I know use those...

[MissPadmé 17]

The jewish sect musicians who invaded Hollywood since 1930 (waxman, Bernestein, Herrmann, Newman family, Tiomkin, North, Goldsmith, Elfmann..) are sharing same style: dissonance, and agressive rhythm...I will except Horner who he commonly use a patchwork of his own scores.

Hm maybe I just dont get it .. either that or this is just a very stupid thing you are trying to say here.. veeery stupid.

they are different individuals with different biographies.. how does heritage say anything.

Well I think Williams has some aggressive anddissonant music too! OH WAIT:

his orchestrator is Mr Neufeld!!!.. a Jew too, I see.... damn your post has no intelligent meaning at all!!!

[Marian Schedenig 8,193]

Yes he does, he's been a huge influence to other composers.

Waxman influenced Goldsmith, Goldsmith even copied him once or twice. His work as an orchestrator for Korngold (and I assume other) probably also left traces.

his orchestrator is Mr Neufeld!!!.. a Jew too, I see.... damn your post has no intelligent meaning at all!!!

In fact, the "original" Hollywood sound was created/imported from Europe by those "sect musicians", and everyone who came later either used it or modified it/came up with something new. Some of the composers who are generally listed as those who pushed film music to new areas are Bernstein, North, Herrmann, Goldsmith... so no, besides anything else, it doesn't even make sense.

[King Mark 3,631]

There's something about the Golden Age strings I don't like(except Rosza). That's where Williams ,Horner ,Barry and Goldsmith improved things and have that referance score sound that I love

[Hitch 57]

I wouldn't call Herrmann's string writing for PSYCHO not likeable

[Luke Skywalker 1,795]

The jewish sect musicians who invaded Hollywood since 1930 (waxman, Bernestein, Herrmann, Newman family, Tiomkin, North, Goldsmith, Elfmann..) are sharing same style: dissonance, and agressive rhythm...

Besides being offensive of the text (invasion of the Jews?), this is the one of the most ignorant statements I've ever read. Stylistically some of those composers share nothing in common.

"Dissonance", "aggresive rythm"... most composers that I know use those...

'Nazis, I hate these guys'

I had to make that joke.

[publicist 4,643]

Ok, well, maybe not Waxman, but Tiomkin gave us alot of the great Western scores. Not to mention Rawhide!

If you listen to 'Spirit of St. Louis' or 'Adventures of a Young Man', 'Demetrius and the Gladiators' or 'Peyton Place', you can clearly hear a lot of stylistic traits of the very namefather of this board (i. e. 'Amazing Stories: The Mission'), so i guess Waxman has influenced the Hollywood sound much more than Tiomkin, who had a more idiosyncratic sound which i hear seldom referenced today.

[untouchables 0]

The three composers i have mentioned have special approach when composing that become imitated, not all composers get their own appraoch when writing;in an interview J. Goldsmith said that he had no approach :the notes come by chance!!!

The jewish sect musicians who invaded Hollywood since 1930 (waxman, Bernestein, Herrmann, Newman family, Tiomkin, North, Goldsmith, Elfmann..) are sharing same style: dissonance, and agressive rhythm...I will except Horner who he commonly use a patchwork of his own scores.

What does the fact that they're Jewish have to do with anything? And they invaded? They were escaping Nazi persecution.

And that list doesn't included Goldsmith, Bernstein and Elfman, since they're all born in the US.

There is no politic matter there!

There is a history fact that should be clear here; mainstream classical music was from the rare fields that it's hard for jews to infiltrate ... even Schoenberg new concept of atonality after 1910 was not welcomed and many of his concerts were interrupted and he was threw with tomatos!

The same destiny was under bolshevik era, unlike Shostakovitch, Prokofiev, Khatchaturian.. the jews were unable to make career of official accomplished composers despite bolsheviks leaders were mostly jews.- In 19 century Mahler had to convert to catholicism in order to be able leading Vienna conservatory.

Most of them prefered to draw a new way toward hollywood and to invent and popularize new genre "film music" that can be parallel of European concert music.- of course not all composers have welcomed film music genre, Stravinsky is the most famous.

In reality; film music were chosen because it's a profitable industry unlike concert-music: you can make more money by composing for game-video than writing 5 operas in year!; Exactly like media, cinema, porn, banks, the purpose of this domination is to build new clan of sub-genre music, profitability and sometimes popularizing composers "able" to make career in both classical and score genre (Glass; Schiffrin).

I think The most original jewish composer who was independant from hollywood business and ruthless system is B. Herrmann who wanted to elevate film music to classical level; however after leaving to London he admitted that he failed because Hollywood system want to impose commercial style.

JW originality comes in his approach of using leitmotiv (superman, harry potter) and how he see all the movies like an adventure; he is narrator of adventures.

[MissPadmé 17]

rare fields that it's hard for jews to infiltrate ... even Schoenberg new concept of atonality after 1910 was not welcomed and many of his concerts were interrupted and he was threw with tomatos!

well and still this has NOTHING to do with the fact he is jewish..

Strange that you didn't mention E.W. Korngold at all

and thank you for that history lesson but I think 90 percent n this board are aware of these facts, what does it have to do with the original matter of discussion you started? And these "jewish" composers have the same approach just isnt true.

and can you tell me what person is your Avatar Untouchables??

[untouchables 0]

rare fields that it's hard for jews to infiltrate ... even Schoenberg new concept of atonality after 1910 was not welcomed and many of his concerts were interrupted and he was threw with tomatos!

well and still this has NOTHING to do with the fact he is jewish..

and can you tell me what person is your Avatar Untouchables??

JW old brother

You are right for Korngold!

[Williamsfan301 11]

In reality; film music were chosen because it's a profitable industry unlike concert-music: you can make more money by composing for game-video than writing 5 operas in year!; Exactly like media, cinema, porn, banks, the purpose of this domination is to build new clan of sub-genre music, profitability and sometimes popularizing composers "able" to make career in both classical and score genre (Glass; Schiffrin).

Porn. Good lord, you actually included porn in that.

About the only thing you got right in that above statement is that they went to Hollywood because they could make money. However, the rest of what you said just keeps digging your hole deeper. You still sound like a bigot. The fact that they're Jewish had nothing to do with how they were writing music. The fact they were schooled in the German and/or Russian tradition had EVERYTHING to do with it.

[Marian Schedenig 8,193]

and can you tell me what person is your Avatar Untouchables??

Looks like Marcel Reich-Ranicki - have you never seen Das literarische Quartett?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

A whaaaa?

[pete 907]

This song was written and performed by a Jew:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo

[FattyMcButterpants 1]

"Dieser Walser!"

[Wojo 2,453]

So was this. I think they're the subject of the song, too.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrd9p47MPHg