Josh500 1,615 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Indeed. And Padme's complaint is spot on... it's not about nominating him because it's Williams, it should be whether, in the context of a year of scores, what he's written stands up as the best, the most inspiring and most inventive, IMO. Like that EVER happens. Dream on you guys!I never said that actually happens... almost never anyway We're talking ideal, Brokeback-free worlds here.Well, I think we should be more realistic.My point is, just because the ideal never happens, I root for JW every chance I get.If JW had always (or at this point I'd even settle with almost always) won an Oscar for his really deserving scores, then I would think differently. But since he didn't, I hope JW wins this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Some people here probably think KotCS is worse than Hans Zimmer's worst score...No, Williams could never compose anything as bad as Zimmer has. KOTCS is a freakin masterpiece compared to Hansy's works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 SOME Zimmer Scores are actually waaay more creative than IJ4!Well regarding instrumentation they are not of course, because thats just a craft JW is the best in Hollywood.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Fortunatelly, music is something more than just the instrumentation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Fortunatelly, music is something more than just the instrumentation...I absolutely concur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Some people here probably think KotCS is worse than Hans Zimmer's worst score...No, Williams could never compose anything as bad as Zimmer has. KOTCS is a freakin masterpiece compared to Hansy's works.From a technical sense yes. But from a fulfilling sense that's purely from person to person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Some people here probably think KotCS is worse than Hans Zimmer's worst score...No, Williams could never compose anything as bad as Zimmer has. KOTCS is a freakin masterpiece compared to Hansy's works.Hans has, on many occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Hans has, on many occasions.You're correct, he has composed a lot of bad music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Hans has, on many occasions.You're correct, he has composed a lot of bad music.Shut up. I obviously read something wrong or quoted the wrong post. Don't judge me!But yeah, to actually say that is just being ignorant. If you honestly believe Zimmer could never compose something better than Daddy-O, you need to... I'll just stop right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I could say the same thing to you so there..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Daddy-O has some fine chromatic writing not present in Gladiator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Fortunatelly, music is something more than just the instrumentation...I absolutely concurI think instrumentation (orchestration) is the most important part of composition. Take any bland tune, when well orchestrated it can be great music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 The biggest scandal is Alan Menken, who won like 8 Oscars in just 5 years!I know that's wrong, but close enough for rock 'n' roll! Actually, Menken deserves 8 Oscars. It's just that JW deserves, like, 30.Menken didn't deserve to win for Beauty & the Beast, because Hook wasn't even nominated that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Fortunatelly, music is something more than just the instrumentation...I absolutely concurI think instrumentation (orchestration) is the most important part of composition. Take any bland tune, when well orchestrated it can be great music.Of course it is.. you don't understand me right. but on the other hand it isn't.But my remark was a more stylistic remark, than a qualitywise remark. In the world of John Williams symphonic instrumentation is everything, but in the world of Phil Collins it isn't: yet Phil writes amazing music that is very touching.. true, the right instrumentation is important, but every style needs its own instrumentation.Also a bland tune blown up for full orchestra might sound a little nicer (, but in the end it is just a bland tune.. a great tune can live without good orchestration.. this may sound a little weird, but to me it is exactly like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 a great tune can live without good orchestration.. this may sound a little weird, but to me it is exactly like that.Yes it might live without good instrumentation, that is without any orchestration at all, but a bad orchestration can be totally detrimental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Fortunatelly, music is something more than just the instrumentation...I absolutely concurI think instrumentation (orchestration) is the most important part of composition. Take any bland tune, when well orchestrated it can be great music.Indeed, but on the other hand there is so much of great music which doesn\'t conform to the standard of orchestration set by composers like Williams (and other great ones before him) and therefore is bashed by some. You can have great music played on even on synthesizer.I think instrumentation (orchestration) is the most important part of composition. Take any bland tune, when well orchestrated it can be great music.Of course it is.. you don\'t understand me right. but on the other hand it isn\'t.But my remark was a more stylistic remark, than a qualitywise remark. In the world of John Williams symphonic instrumentation is everything, but in the world of Phil Collins it isn\'t: yet Phil writes amazing music that is very touching.. true, the right instrumentation is important, but every style needs its own instrumentation.Also a bland tune blown up for full orchestra might sound a little nicer (, but in the end it is just a bland tune.. a great tune can live without good orchestration.. this may sound a little weird, but to me it is exactly like that.Well said, although 'bland tune' is still very subjective term and in proper orchestration that blandness often ceases to be the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Take any bland tune, when well orchestrated it can be great music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Take any bland tune, when well orchestrated it can be great music.I am amazed to get such a reaction from a composer. The only thing that would justify it would be you use a different definition of orchestration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 The biggest scandal is Alan Menken, who won like 8 Oscars in just 5 years!I know that's wrong, but close enough for rock 'n' roll! Actually, Menken deserves 8 Oscars. It's just that JW deserves, like, 30.Menken didn't deserve to win for Beauty & the Beast, because Hook wasn't even nominated that year.I said he deserved 8 Oscars. I never said it was for the 8 Oscars he actually won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 The biggest scandal is Alan Menken, who won like 8 Oscars in just 5 years!I know that's wrong, but close enough for rock 'n' roll! Actually, Menken deserves 8 Oscars. It's just that JW deserves, like, 30.Menken didn't deserve to win for Beauty & the Beast, because Hook wasn't even nominated that year.I said he deserved 8 Oscars. I never said it was for the 8 Oscars he actually won.Well if Hook wasn't in the race, then Menken deserved it for B&B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Take any bland tune, when well orchestrated it can be great music.I am amazed to get such a reaction from a composer. The only thing that would justify it would be you use a different definition of orchestration.What he is probably thinking is that bad music can be bad music, good orchestration notwithstanding, and the opposite can be said, as well. I think if you were to ask anybody here who has played video games, they would say that KOJI KONDO wrote spectacular music, although he had absolutely terrible conditions to work in, regarding orchestration. If that is what Henry Buck is thinking, I agree with him. Take Tyler Bate's music and give it to Conrad Pope. See if you like his music any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 The biggest scandal is Alan Menken, who won like 8 Oscars in just 5 years!I know that's wrong, but close enough for rock 'n' roll! Actually, Menken deserves 8 Oscars. It's just that JW deserves, like, 30.Menken didn't deserve to win for Beauty & the Beast, because Hook wasn't even nominated that year.I said he deserved 8 Oscars. I never said it was for the 8 Oscars he actually won.Well if Hook wasn't in the race, then Menken deserved it for B&B.The film that Menken really got screwed on was The Hunchback of Notre Dame. He deserved an Oscar for the score, plus another for either "Bells of Notre Dame," "Hellfire," or "Out There." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Hey, quick question.When are the nominations announced? Isn't that like next week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Take any bland tune, when well orchestrated it can be great music. I am amazed to get such a reaction from a composer. The only thing that would justify it would be you use a different definition of orchestration.Maybe you use a different definition of "tune." I don't believe that music with a weak melodic, harmonic and rhythmic basis can be fixed with a candy coating of orchestration. Incidentally, you seem to be a fan of Alan Menken's work, which is absolutely about tune. Does this mean you're more interested in the orchestrations of Danny Troob? Maybe the Oscar for best original score should be replaced by the Oscar for best original orchestration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Hey, quick question.When are the nominations announced? Isn't that like next week? Jan. 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Hey, quick question.When are the nominations announced? Isn't that like next week? Jan. 22Ahh, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Take any bland tune, when well orchestrated it can be great music. I am amazed to get such a reaction from a composer. The only thing that would justify it would be you use a different definition of orchestration.Maybe you use a different definition of "tune." I don't believe that music with a weak melodic, harmonic and rhythmic basis can be fixed with a candy coating of orchestration. Incidentally, you seem to be a fan of Alan Menken's work, which is absolutely about tune. Does this mean you're more interested in the orchestrations of Danny Troob? Maybe the Oscar for best original score should be replaced by the Oscar for best original orchestration.Ok I admit if a piece of music is badly written, it doesn't help. And sure, I am a great advocate of solid thematics. But the point is that I see orchestration as much more than a "candy coating". A theme can be orchestrated in such totally different ways that the entire soul of the composition can be altered. For that fact alone I think the orchestration is what makes the piece. I am quite keen on this because I really think orchestration is generally underestimated. We can have a more extensve discussion about this some other time.Regarding the orchestration Oscar, it wouldn't be fair for the composers who orchestrate their own work But in a lot of cases, it would certainly be appropriate.Take any bland tune, when well orchestrated it can be great music.I am amazed to get such a reaction from a composer. The only thing that would justify it would be you use a different definition of orchestration.What he is probably thinking is that bad music can be bad music, good orchestration notwithstanding, and the opposite can be said, as well. I think if you were to ask anybody here who has played video games, they would say that KOJI KONDO wrote spectacular music, although he had absolutely terrible conditions to work in, regarding orchestration. If that is what Henry Buck is thinking, I agree with him. Take Tyler Bate's music and give it to Conrad Pope. See if you like his music any better.Definitely. I'd prefer a compostion without any real themes but wich is richly and thoroughly orchestrated over a wonderful but blandly orchestrated theme any time.To name some concrete but probably bad examples: I prefer Stravinsky or Ravel over Grieg or Schumann, or (regarding film composers) Michael Convertino over Hans Zimmer (although he has some specific compostitions that are orchestrated quite well).Of course I'd rather have music that has both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Here's the KOTCS "For Your Consideration" Ad with John Williams listed on it.Stunt coordinator Gary Powell is listed with the VFX crew. Interesting.I'll eat my hat if Ben Burtt wins an Oscar!! How many does he have already, btw? Anybody know?Ben Burtt has the following Academy Awards.Special Achievement Award for Sound Effects - Star WarsSpecial Achievement Award for Sound Effects Editing - Raiders of the Lost ArkOscar for Best Sound Effects Editing - E.T. The Extra-TerrestrialOscar for Best Sound Effects Editing - Indiana Jones and the Last CrusadeSo that's four statues, two of them Special Achievement Awards (I think it had something to do with Sound/Sound Effects not being a yearly returning category at that point). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 OK, I'm real excited my topic is getting so much attention.Is anyone out there willing to make any choices for this year's nominees for Original Score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 John Williams' Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Is anyone out there willing to make any choices for this year's nominees for Original Score?Most likely candidates:Alexandre Desplat - The Curious Case Of Benjamin ButtonThomas Newman - WALL*EHans Zimmer - Frost/NixonA.R. Rahman - Slumdog MillionaireJames Newton Howard - Defiance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinaismine 64 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 OK, I'm real excited my topic is getting so much attention.Is anyone out there willing to make any choices for this year's nominees for Original Score?Here is one list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Is anyone out there willing to make any choices for this year's nominees for Original Score?Most likely candidates:Alexandre Desplat - The Curious Case Of Benjamin ButtonThomas Newman - WALL*EHans Zimmer - Frost/NixonA.R. Rahman - Slumdog MillionaireJames Newton Howard - DefianceActually, you maybe correct. Chris, who expects Allah Rakkha Rahman's Bollywood extravaganza to win this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I think and hope that Benjamin Button will be nominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 OK, I'm real excited my topic is getting so much attention.Is anyone out there willing to make any choices for this year's nominees for Original Score?Here is one list.Hahaha, JW stands out, huh?45 nom./5 wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I think Button is a certain nominee and a very likely winner. I haven't listened to it entirely yet, but what I've heard is a pleasant background listen.That Indy 4 advert...meh. Looks like a 5 year old waving a crappy drawing around. At least it doesn't mention any acting noms. That'd just be plain embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I think Button is a certain nominee and a very likely winner. I haven't listened to it entirely yet, but what I've heard is a pleasant background listen.That Indy 4 advert...meh. Looks like a 5 year old waving a crappy drawing around. At least it doesn't mention any acting noms. That'd just be plain embarrassing.did you saw TDK ones?Thats gloating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Is anyone out there willing to make any choices for this year's nominees for Original Score?Most likely candidates:Alexandre Desplat - The Curious Case Of Benjamin ButtonThomas Newman - WALL*EHans Zimmer - Frost/NixonA.R. Rahman - Slumdog MillionaireJames Newton Howard - DefianceActually, you maybe correct. Chris, who expects Allah Rakkha Rahman's Bollywood extravaganza to win this year. It's not so bad. I really like his tamil songs, they are quite musical and mostly nicely instrumentated.Is anyone out there willing to make any choices for this year's nominees for Original Score?Most likely candidates:Alexandre Desplat - The Curious Case Of Benjamin ButtonThomas Newman - WALL*EHans Zimmer - Frost/NixonA.R. Rahman - Slumdog MillionaireJames Newton Howard - DefianceThough I haven't heard all these scores, I think Desplat's score might be most acoording to the Academy's taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 JW will get a nomination. I'm willing to bet my doughnut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Is anyone out there willing to make any choices for this year's nominees for Original Score?Most likely candidates:Alexandre Desplat - The Curious Case Of Benjamin ButtonThomas Newman - WALL*EHans Zimmer - Frost/NixonA.R. Rahman - Slumdog MillionaireJames Newton Howard - DefianceActually, you maybe correct. Chris, who expects Allah Rakkha Rahman's Bollywood extravaganza to win this year. It's not so bad. I really like his tamil songs, they are quite musical and mostly nicely instrumentated.I tried to listen to the soundtrack, but I gave up. I acknowledge he wrote decent records and that they work good in the picture, but it's the kind of music I find ubearable in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Is anyone out there willing to make any choices for this year's nominees for Original Score?Most likely candidates:Alexandre Desplat - The Curious Case Of Benjamin ButtonThomas Newman - WALL*EHans Zimmer - Frost/NixonA.R. Rahman - Slumdog MillionaireJames Newton Howard - DefianceActually, you maybe correct. Chris, who expects Allah Rakkha Rahman's Bollywood extravaganza to win this year. It's not so bad. I really like his tamil songs, they are quite musical and mostly nicely instrumentated.I tried to listen to the soundtrack, but I gave up. I acknowledge he wrote decent records and that they work good in the picture, but it's the kind of music I find ubearable in general.I haven't heard this album so I don't know how it is compared to his other stuff, maybe it's not as good as his song albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 JW will get a nomination. I'm willing to bet my doughnut. Have you seen any other movie or heard any other score this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Button will win, I'm sure.It has all the current oscar ingredients - respected music, funny names all round. I need to listen to it more to decide if it's my taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Desplat will take the Oscar. He deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 JW will get a nomination. I'm willing to bet my doughnut. Have you seen any other movie or heard any other score this year?I have seen every movie that's likely to be nominated for BEST SCORE.KotCS WILL get nominated. I'm not just saying that because it's JW. If JW's contribution for 2008 had been Stepmom, I wouldn't say that.Ben Burtt has the following Academy Awards.Special Achievement Award for Sound Effects - Star WarsSpecial Achievement Award for Sound Effects Editing - Raiders of the Lost ArkOscar for Best Sound Effects Editing - E.T. The Extra-TerrestrialOscar for Best Sound Effects Editing - Indiana Jones and the Last CrusadeSo that's four statues, two of them Special Achievement Awards (I think it had something to do with Sound/Sound Effects not being a yearly returning category at that point).Only 4? Wow, I would have thought he had many more. But this year is his chance of catching up to his archnemsis JW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Here's what I would like (though I know it probably won't happen):Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (Winner)The Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonThe Dark KnightThe HappeningWanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Aren't those the only scores you've bought this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Probably the only scores you recognised during 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Aren't those the only scores you've bought this year?Maybe you can post the list of scores you bought this year?I don't think one has to buy all the scores to get to the music, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 If Kora was to list all the scores he bought in 2008, we'd be bored after "Frost/Nixon" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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