Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2?

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Maybe Desplat himself wasn't sure he wanted to commit for two movies. Maybe he wanted to wait until he could see what the first one turned out like and judge from then whether it would be a worthwhile experience.

I don't think if your offered something as important for your career as Harry Potter your going to have that approach

Well Desplat was offered New Moon, and he didn't stick around for Eclipse. I know those are different circumstances since Eclipse was already in production while New Moon was in post-production, but still. Desplat could probably have done both films if he really wanted to. This post makes it seem like composers are only in it for the fame.

Well, the Harry Potter franchise is part of his musical legacy. And it might be his last chance to score a big blockbuster franchise movie so maybe he's saying ,what the hell,Ill do it.

You're forgetting Tintin is a trilogy.

[JoeinAR 1,949]

Maybe Desplat himself wasn't sure he wanted to commit for two movies. Maybe he wanted to wait until he could see what the first one turned out like and judge from then whether it would be a worthwhile experience.

I don't think if your offered something as important for your career as Harry Potter your going to have that approach

Well Desplat was offered New Moon, and he didn't stick around for Eclipse. I know those are different circumstances since Eclipse was already in production while New Moon was in post-production, but still. Desplat could probably have done both films if he really wanted to. This post makes it seem like composers are only in it for the fame.

Well, the Harry Potter franchise is part of his musical legacy. And it might be his last chance to score a big blockbuster franchise movie so maybe he's saying ,what the hell,Ill do it.

You're forgetting Tintin is a trilogy.

you're assuming it will do well enough to make 3 films.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

I'm sure Spielberg's film will rake in enough money to warrant the sequels, maybe not domestically, but worldwide at least.

[Josh500 1,615]

I'm sure Spielberg's film will rake in enough money to warrant the sequels, maybe not domestically, but worldwide at least.

I can't believe the release of Tintin is still 1 year and 3 months away!

And my guess is, Tintin won't be as successful as, say, War of the Worlds or Saving Private Ryan, let alone Jurassic Park or Harry Potter.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

Hey if Alice In Wonderland can make a billion dollars, why not a Spielberg/Jackson flick in state of the art motion capture? Is it 3D as well? I don't remember. Did War Of The Worlds even make a lot of money?

[Jeff 10]

Did War Of The Worlds even make a lot of money?

In a word, yes: $234 million domestic, $592 million worldwide according to Box Office Mojo. That's up there with Casino Royale, Iron Man, and I Am Legend.

[Sandor 797]

Well, the Harry Potter franchise is part of his musical legacy. And it might be his last chance to score a big blockbuster franchise movie so maybe he's saying ,what the hell,Ill do it.

Are you serious?

John Williams could probably score any bloody movie coming out in his lifetime, if he only asked his agent to send away an inquiry to the producer.

I think his point isn't that no one would want him - it's that he's old and doesn't have much time left. Any average human would have retired fifteen years ago in his shoes. He could score any movie he wants, but this one is guaranteed to be a blockbuster. There are only a couple other franchises out there that could have such a guarantee (Star Trek, James Bond, maybe Transformers - the first two intrigue me but the thought of a JW Transformers score is nearly vomit-inducing).

Star Trek a *guarantee* blockbuster franchise? Nemesis anyone?

And Transformers a *maybe*? Check your figures.

I'm sure Spielberg's film will rake in enough money to warrant the sequels, maybe not domestically, but worldwide at least.

I can't believe the release of Tintin is still 1 year and 3 months away!

And my guess is, Tintin won't be as successful as, say, War of the Worlds or Saving Private Ryan, let alone Jurassic Park or Harry Potter.

A word of advise: people should really stop making guesses about box-office performances. I learned my lesson with King Kong back in 2005, others were ridiculed when they claimed Avatar would bomb.

[King Mark 3,631]

I'm still puzzled how Alice in Wonderland made 350 million domestic box office

[Josh500 1,615]

A word of advise: people should really stop making guesses about box-office performances. I learned my lesson with King Kong back in 2005, others were ridiculed when they claimed Avatar would bomb.

Sorry, but that's stupid advice. It's not like I'm betting money on it.

I am just wondering, just speculating . . . that's what people do. That's what everybody does.

I'm still puzzled how Alice in Wonderland made 350 million domestic box office

Luck. Pure and simple.

[Sandor 797]

Sorry, but that's stupid advice. It's not like I'm betting money on it.

I am just wondering, just speculating . . . that's what people do. That's what everybody does.

It's good advice Josh. You ain't betting money I know, but look what happened to the guy who guessed Avatar would bomb? He got bitch-slapped by Joey so hard he didn't dare to post here for 7 weeks!

I'm still puzzled how Alice in Wonderland made 350 million domestic box office

Or how Transformers 2 made 300 million. A movie that was loathed by critics *AND* the public. It's one of the true mysteries in cinema history.

[Josh500 1,615]

It's good advice Josh. You ain't betting money I know, but look what happened to the guy who guessed Avatar would bomb? He got bitch-slapped by Joey so hard he didn't dare to post here for 7 weeks!

Well, then that guy's an ass.

No, not the guy who guessed wrong. Joey.

[King Mark 3,631]

Or how Transformers 2 made 300 million. A movie that was loathed by critics *AND* the public. It's one of the true mysteries in cinema history.

It's more that the majority of the box office is not made by internet movie geeks like us or the intellectual crowd.

[Josh500 1,615]

Or how Transformers 2 made 300 million. A movie that was loathed by critics *AND* the public. It's one of the true mysteries in cinema history.

Michael Bay himself is a true mystery in cinema history.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,544]

Or how Transformers 2 made 300 million. A movie that was loathed by critics *AND* the public. It's one of the true mysteries in cinema history.

Michael Bay himself is a true mystery in cinema history.

You could say it's a "miracle" that he's still making movies. Maybe The Pope could beatify him next time he pops over to The U.S.A?

[Sandor 797]

Or how Transformers 2 made 300 million. A movie that was loathed by critics *AND* the public. It's one of the true mysteries in cinema history.

It's more that the majority of the box office is not made by internet movie geeks like us or the intellectual crowd.

It wasn't just the "internet movie geeks" that loathed Transformers 2! It was the general movie going public. The movie was disliked by most (exit polls and such back this up) and STILL Transformers 2 was a huge success.

It's something that most industry analysists can't fanthom hence the big mystery: how the f*ck did Transformers 2 make so much money?

A big-event, hyped movie like Transformers 2 would normally - despite it's low credit - do somewhere between 100 and 200 million. Like The Matrix 3 or Pirates 3.

However; Transformers 2 performed like a movie that was embraced by the general public. But it wasn't. Again; there is significant evidence that Transformers 2 was strongly disliked. Still; it performed much better than its reputation would normally allow it to do. A mystery.

[King Mark 3,631]

Hmm,I dunno...the Nascar crowd?

[Josh500 1,615]

However; Transformers 2 performed like a movie that was embraced by the general public. But it wasn't. Again; there is significant evidence that Transformers 2 was strongly disliked. Still; it performed much better than it's reputation would normally allow it to do. A mystery.

IMO there are 3 reasons:

1. Good marketing.

2. Good timing (no other comparable movie has been released at the same time).

3. Megan Fox.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,544]

"The public wants what the public gets".

[Sandor 797]

However; Transformers 2 performed like a movie that was embraced by the general public. But it wasn't. Again; there is significant evidence that Transformers 2 was strongly disliked. Still; it performed much better than it's reputation would normally allow it to do. A mystery.

IMO there are 3 reasons:

1. Good marketing.

2. Good timing (no other comparable movie has been released at the same time).

3. Megan Fox.

Josh, since other movies had great marketing and perfect timing as well, but stalled somewhere between 100 and 200 million due to poor reception, I would have to say that the succes of Transformers 2 can only be attributed to... Megan Fox. :cool:

[Naïve Old Fart 9,544]

Megan who?

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Foxy News.

[John Crichton 4]

I'm still puzzled how Alice in Wonderland made 350 million domestic box office

3D ticket prices.

[publicist 4,643]

I'm still puzzled how Alice in Wonderland made 350 million domestic box office

3D ticket prices.

Oh god and i even saw it. Full price.

Whatever he (Williams) wants to accomplish with that. His themes are unusable, for the most part, new musical styles have been introduced and the series has taken some big turns regarding style and tone since he did the third one.

To stretch the idea, it's like Williams blackmailing Sid Sheinberg to get scoring duties on JAWS - THE REVENGE.

This is probably the most narrow minded post ever by a respected JWFan member. Sorry publicist; you really miss the mark here. There is so much wrong with your reasoning that I don't even want to begin pointing it out.

It's fucking HARRY POTTER 7,5, get a life, man...

LOL That's EXACTLY what I thought when I read *your* post!

My bad. It sounded like 'sad nerd is offended because lame wizard-franchise gets no respect'-messageboard stuff. Must learn to differentiate better.

(obligatory :cool: )

[Jeff 10]

Star Trek a *guarantee* blockbuster franchise? Nemesis anyone?

And Transformers a *maybe*? Check your figures.

I think based on the broad appeal of the most recent Star Trek installment and the way it was able to avoid alienating *most* Trekkies, the next film is relatively guaranteed to be successful (compared to the average movie). I really hope the next Transformers bombs because I don't want them making any more of those. Without Megan Fox, it just might.

My point, however, that Deathly Hallows Part II is an absolute guarantee (I will make sure of that myself, no matter how bad it is - and there are millions of other die-hard fans that feel the same way), still stands. I honestly can't think of a time when there has been a film with a better chance of being successful since "Phantom Menace."

A word of advise: people should really stop making guesses about box-office performances. I learned my lesson with King Kong back in 2005, others were ridiculed when they claimed Avatar would bomb. :cool:

Speculation is fun and half the posts on this board are speculative. We're all bound to eat our words at some point, but chances are you'll be right once in a while.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

It's good advice Josh. You ain't betting money I know, but look what happened to the guy who guessed Avatar would bomb? He got bitch-slapped by Joey so hard he didn't dare to post here for 7 weeks!

Well, then that guy's an ass.

No, not the guy who guessed wrong. Joey.

I was the one who said Avatar would bomb based on 42 tickets being sold for the midnight showing. I did not leave for 7 weeks, I think Joey did call me a dumbass but I don't recall. Still haven't seen it.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

My point, however, that Deathly Hallows Part II is an absolute guarantee (I will make sure of that myself, no matter how bad it is - and there are millions of other die-hard fans that feel the same way), still stands.

You're going to waste your money seeing it 20 times even if it stinks?

[JoeinAR 1,949]

It's good advice Josh. You ain't betting money I know, but look what happened to the guy who guessed Avatar would bomb? He got bitch-slapped by Joey so hard he didn't dare to post here for 7 weeks!

Well, then that guy's an ass.

No, not the guy who guessed wrong. Joey.

I was the one who said Avatar would bomb based on 42 tickets being sold for the midnight showing. I did not leave for 7 weeks, I think Joey did call me a dumbass but I don't recall. Still haven't seen it.

I was just one of several who called you out because you foolishly said "I smell a bomb" and now you say you haven't seen it but earlier you criticized it based on your viewing, so you lied.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I remember joking that it'd beat Titanic and make a "bajillion dollars" but deep down I thought it would under-perform. I honestly didn't think so many people would be suckered into a bloated CGI sci-fi flick about blue tree people with another star-crossed love story that looked as though Cameron was just trying to out-do himself. I thought it would end up like Waterworld, and I don't think it was foolish to believe so at the time before its release. Was it wrong to ask "who'd want to go see this?"

Despite exhibiting how far technology has advanced in film making, I don't think I could sit through Avatar a second time. It's too long and has less substance than a half-arsed undergraduate foreign policy paper. I might have enjoyed it if it wasn't so blatantly preachy.

This was Cameron's turn to be surrounded by "yes-men".

[King Mark 3,631]

I think you can sit through it twice ,but I don't want to see it a third time

[Josh500 1,615]

However; Transformers 2 performed like a movie that was embraced by the general public. But it wasn't. Again; there is significant evidence that Transformers 2 was strongly disliked. Still; it performed much better than it's reputation would normally allow it to do. A mystery.

IMO there are 3 reasons:

1. Good marketing.

2. Good timing (no other comparable movie has been released at the same time).

3. Megan Fox.

Josh, since other movies had great marketing and perfect timing as well, but stalled somewhere between 100 and 200 million due to poor reception, I would have to say that the succes of Transformers 2 can only be attributed to... Megan Fox.

Well, I don't quite know whether you are serious here or not, but marketing and Megan Fox go hand in hand here. If you see sexy Megan Fox in the trailer, and then on the Tonight Show, and then on the Today Show... people take notice.

[JoeinAR 1,949]

Megan Fox has no boxoffice appeal

[King Mark 3,631]

She was in 2 movies I saw that flopped terribly (Jennifer's Body and Jonah Hex)

And she wasn't any good in them either

[JoeinAR 1,949]

she wasn't good in the Transformer Movies but then what was good in the transformer movies?

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

She was in 2 movies I saw that flopped terribly (Jennifer's Body and Jonah Hex)

And she wasn't any good in them either

The latter is straight-to-video in Australia.

[King Mark 3,631]

she wasn't good in the Transformer Movies but then what was good in the transformer movies?

I liked the special effects in the first one. You also did,but it would take too much time to dig up the thread.

[Josh500 1,615]

She was in 2 movies I saw that flopped terribly (Jennifer's Body and Jonah Hex)

So? That doesn't mean anything.

Hell, there's also 2 Spielberg movies that flopped.

[JoeinAR 1,949]

she wasn't good in the Transformer Movies but then what was good in the transformer movies?

I liked the special effects in the first one. You also did,but it would take too much time to dig up the thread.

the effects were fine in both, but you and I both know I don't want effects without substance.

still can't get over stepping out the door in the Smithsonian into the Arizona desert, or the carrier being sunk only to be back at the end. course the writers are the same that fucked up Star Trek 2009. I wonder what they'll have for Star Trek 2012, the Rape of Khan.

[Josh500 1,615]

Megan Fox has no boxoffice appeal

I bet she does, at least when it comes to horny adolescent teenage boys.

[King Mark 3,631]

She was in 2 movies I saw that flopped terribly (Jennifer's Body and Jonah Hex)

So? That doesn't mean anything.

Hell, there's also 2 Spielberg movies that flopped.

I just don't see a big acting future with her. Just like Emma Watson from the Potter films . But they both look pretty good.

[JoeinAR 1,949]

Megan Fox has no boxoffice appeal

I bet she does, at least when it comes to horny adolescent teenage boys.

yeah they made Jonah Hex rock at the boxoffice.

[Josh500 1,615]

She was in 2 movies I saw that flopped terribly (Jennifer's Body and Jonah Hex)

So? That doesn't mean anything.

Hell, there's also 2 Spielberg movies that flopped.

I just don't see a big acting future with her. Just like Emma Watson from the Potter films . But they're both look pretty good.

You know, that's really off the mark. When thousands--hell, probably hundreds of thousands--of aspiring actors are struggling to even get a small role in shitty movies, I would say Megan Fox is doing fantastic.

Just because she won't be the next Julia Roberts doesn't mean she has no big acting future ahead of her.

[JoeinAR 1,949]

She was in 2 movies I saw that flopped terribly (Jennifer's Body and Jonah Hex)

So? That doesn't mean anything.

Hell, there's also 2 Spielberg movies that flopped.

I just don't see a big acting future with her. Just like Emma Watson from the Potter films . But they're both look pretty good.

You know, that's really off the mark. When thousands--hell, probably hundreds of thousands--of aspiring actors are struggling to even get a small role in shitty movies, I would say Megan Fox is doing fantastic.

Just because she won't be the next Julia Roberts doesn't mean she has no big acting future ahead of her.

there is always porn

[King Mark 3,631]

The first Transformers was a much better movie than the second one. At the time the visuals were enough to carry the film ,because we hadn't seen that many fighting CGI robots . But now they're everywhere

[Josh500 1,615]

Probably Spielberg had a bigger influence on the first one than the second one.

This kinda reminds me of Men in Black. First movie was much better than the sequel. The second one was like . . WTF!?

[JoeinAR 1,949]

The first Transformers was a much better movie than the second one. At the time the visuals were enough to carry the film ,because we hadn't seen that many fighting CGI robots . But now they're everywhere

both were terrible films, Trans. 2 is just more terrible.

[Koray Savas 2,251]

It's good advice Josh. You ain't betting money I know, but look what happened to the guy who guessed Avatar would bomb? He got bitch-slapped by Joey so hard he didn't dare to post here for 7 weeks!

Well, then that guy's an ass.

No, not the guy who guessed wrong. Joey.

I was the one who said Avatar would bomb based on 42 tickets being sold for the midnight showing. I did not leave for 7 weeks, I think Joey did call me a dumbass but I don't recall. Still haven't seen it.

I was just one of several who called you out because you foolishly said "I smell a bomb" and now you say you haven't seen it but earlier you criticized it based on your viewing, so you lied.

I don't lie, at least not on this board. I remember the instance you're talking about. Don't remember exactly what I said, but I never said I saw it.

[Sandor 797]

I'm still puzzled how Alice in Wonderland made 350 million domestic box office

3D ticket prices.

Oh god and i even saw it. Full price.

Whatever he (Williams) wants to accomplish with that. His themes are unusable, for the most part, new musical styles have been introduced and the series has taken some big turns regarding style and tone since he did the third one.

To stretch the idea, it's like Williams blackmailing Sid Sheinberg to get scoring duties on JAWS - THE REVENGE.

This is probably the most narrow minded post ever by a respected JWFan member. Sorry publicist; you really miss the mark here. There is so much wrong with your reasoning that I don't even want to begin pointing it out.

It's fucking HARRY POTTER 7,5, get a life, man...

LOL That's EXACTLY what I thought when I read *your* post!

My bad. It sounded like 'sad nerd is offended because lame wizard-franchise gets no respect'-messageboard stuff. Must learn to differentiate better.

(obligatory )

The Harry Potter franchise means zero to me. I haven't even seen Half Blood Prince. It was your lame-ass notion that Williams couldn't score another part cause the series had changed since Williams was involved.

[Josh500 1,615]

The Harry Potter franchise means zero to me.

Zero? That sounds so harsh...

[Sandor 797]

The Harry Potter franchise means zero to me.

Zero? That sounds so harsh...

Yeah, 'zero' may be too harsh... But honestly: I just can't get into the franchise. I think the films are simply too long and dialogue heavy. Sometimes, storytelling structures that work greatly in books cannot be translated to film. I think a story like The Order Of The Phoenix is one of them. I'm sure the book is great, but as a film it's a bit of a bore. I've tried to give the HP film franchise a chance until OOTP. That movie pushed me over the edge and made me accept that HP is simply not my cup of tea.

[Charlie Brigden 7]

I agree. The books I've read were ok, but I don't find anything that interesting or enchanting about it, and I certainly don't understand the slavish dedication to it. The best experience I can say that I've had that was connected with Potter is when I saw the final trailer for FOTR in the cinema before Philosopher's Stone. That gave me a buzz that probably left me feeling that movie was better than it was.