crocodile 8,019 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 "The best". I said "the best". But you've got a point here. At this stage, I started to rate film music almost as a separate thing from films. Can't be bothered to watch those anymore. Film music on its own gives me certain pleasure that films don't anymore. It almost always is more satisfying experience for me - I can track down all the motifs and details that connect to each other. It seems this it is a product of considerably more thorough planning than the film script itself. Strange, but true.One the same basis, I think Man of Steel as heard in film is terrible. But I do enjoy the album.And Lincoln was one of the best of 2012, even though, most of it even isn't there.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I've really grown used to the MoS album and rate it highly, but I might yet agree that it was less effective during the movie. I've only seen it twice and my memory of the score's effectiveness is increasingly vague. I'll have to wait to watch the blu again to see what I think, to see if Zimmer was as successful as the album suggests. After all, it's worth bearing in mind that it's only ever the greats of film music which leave their indelible impression on the listener after a single, initial viewing. I'm not about to go hard on a composer and his efforts if he fails on that incredibly high level. Sometimes a movie soundtrack's qualities only become apparent after a while, I find. But I would never call MoS as heard in the movie "terrible", that's for sure. Evil Dead stood out much more in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 So what was wrong with Evil Dead as heard in film then? Too bold and loud? Missing the point? Or is it just the type of music that doesn't appeal to you? The Amazing Spider-Man by HornerKarol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I too haven't seen the film, but the music sounds like something that would actually be effective in context. It's definitely great stand-alone music. Creatively creating and playing with various sounds in a completely organic setting. You don't get that in modern day horror scores anymore. It's good old fashioned fun, and I agree its one of the best scores of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 So what was wrong with Evil Dead as heard in film then? Too bold and loud? Missing the point? Or is it just the type of music that doesn't appeal to you?It's too try-hard. It goes out of its way to be noticed, it gets in the way. IMO. A sign of inexperience. Christopher Young's Drag Me to Hell shown previously how it should be done, in this kind of movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 The score is the only thing that made Evil Dead watchable for me. It doesn't go out of its way to be noticed, the choral pieces are just mixed really loudly, to the film's benefit, in my opinion. Though I honestly don't remember much of the middle, just the prologue and the superbly scored finale.As for Explorers, it's one of those albums that I blind bought and was initially disappointed with. However it grew on me very nicely after some listens. It's a very strong effort from Goldsmith, great score, that doesn't have a catchy main theme to draw you in but becomes more rewarding the more you listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 So Koray, what are your thoughts on planes - can you elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 KrullKarol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 The Avengers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 They digital version or the Intrada version?I'm listening to Danny Elfman's Promised Land, his best score written last year.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Intrada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I find that additional music actually makes it better. Some more snippets of Cap America theme here, Black Widow's theme fleshed out a bit more. It's a decent score, but I didn't like it initially.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Some very good action parts. And the BIG theme is a hoot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Yeah, I like how he saves it almost exclusively for the third act and you can hear only bits and pieces before that.Apparently, SHIELD theme was supposed to be the original main theme. You know, the one that opens last track. It was a demo track originally.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I like that one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Oh did you notice he reused the Tessaract material from Captain America and made it more prominent in this one? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I noticed that. Having never watched Captain America, I thought Silvestri was just a bit lazy there. Glad to know that the music represented the Tessaract in Captain America as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Just wish the themes were a bit more prominent.You know...like the old days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Marvel is at least getting better now. Not amazing, but better. I mean, The Incredible Hulk main theme? Iron Man 1 theme? Iron Man 2 theme? Thor started the trend somewhat. In a slightly RC fashion and simplistic, but at least the melodies were there and had some sort of visible dramatic impact.At least now you're getting something you can vaguely remember. A good sign?And yes, KK the cube material is used in both films to represent the same McGuffin in both stories. But in The Avengers it seems to be also Loki's theme.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzoe 18 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 With Bates scoring GOTG and Jackman rumored to score Winter Soldier instead of Silvestri returning. I feel Marvel's taking a step back in the wrong direction. But who knows what they'll come up with. Might be amazing or might be terrible. I'll try to give them both the benefit of the doubt as tough as it might be for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 So Koray, what are your thoughts on planes - can you elaborate?It's an excellent old-fashioned score with a dash of contemporary blood in it. It feels like Powell when he was in his prime. The electronics are more New Age-y than Powell, akin to maybe Horner's use in The Amazing Spider-Man, though definitely not as prominent. They also add to the slight rock vibe the score contains. It's just pure orchestral driven action music, with several standout melodic action cues that remind me of Giacchino's Speed Racer in how they aren't necessarily threaded with the main theme but feel distinctly different from one another. Some minor ethnic instrumentation and vocals, which I presume is for the character Ishani (going purely on the track title). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Great. I will have to check it out, hopefully it's on spotify. Love me some classic Mancina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey and Batman Returns.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I've just finished listening to my custom (exactly 2-hour long) compilation of the music from Michael Kamen's Die Hard trilogy.Die Hard1. Main Title2. Terrorist Entrance3. Santa4. Assault On The Tower5. I Had An Accident6. The Vault7. Message For Holly8. The Battle/Freeing The Hostages9. Helicopter Explosion/Showdown10. Happy TrailsDie Hard 2: Die Harder11. Tai Chi12. Crashing The Jet13. John Picks Up Doll14. Army's Arrival/The Idea15. John Punches Esperanza16. Shootout And Snowmobile Chase17. Chasing The Jet18. Fight On The Wing19. Fight On The Wing Cont.20. Finlandia (Finale) Jean SibeliusDie Hard With A Vengeance21. Taxi Chase22. The Subway (Part 1)23. The Subway (Part 1) (Alt. Segment)24. Infiltration25. Bank Invasion26. Panic27. Hooking The Boat28. Bunny And Fire Devil29. Escape30. Holly/Celebration31. Oh, Canada!32. Johnny Comes Marching Home.33. Ode To Johnny.It makes for a pretty solid and streamlined listen, representing the best (in my opinion) of the three excellent scores.Karol - not sure why he's sharing this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Thank you for sharing very much, I've been meaning to make my own similar cut down of the three scores, I was gonna do it under 80 minutes though. I'll give your version a whirl (you seem to have captured all the highlights that immediately come to mind) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Here is the 79 minute version, but that doesn't really work. You miss out on some shorter emotional tracks and I had to get rid of Oh, Canada! as this is a note-to-note reprise of material from the previous film. But then again you could delete Fight On The Wing Cont. and keep the other one. Also, no point of having Johnny Comes Marching Home, when you get Bank Invasion.Die Hard1. Terrorist Entrance2. Assault On The Tower3. The Vault4. The Battle/Freeing The Hostages5. Happy Trails Die Hard 2: Die Harder 6. John Punches Esperanza7. And Snowmobile Chase8. Fight On The Wing9. Fight On The Wing Cont.10. Finlandia (Finale) Jean Sibelius Die Hard With A Vengeance 11. Taxi Chase12. The Subway (Part 1)13. Infiltration14. Bank Invasion15. Bunny And Fire Devil16. Escape17. Holly/Celebration18. Ode To Johnny.But, in my opinion, this kind of playlist needs to be at least 90-minute long to do those any justice.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Love that Ode To Johnny. Perfect way to summarize the 3 scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Yup, one of the strongest cues in the whole trilogy. Sadly, unused as well.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 It's not clear that it was written for any particular scene in DH3, though, it might have just been something he recorded for fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonzoe 18 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 One of David Newman's best scores, imho. It's a shame he doesn't get offered movies of this scale often. I would love to hear what he could do with an MCU film COUGHGaurdians Of The GalaxyCOUGH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Indiana Jones and the Temple of DoomI'm listening to the Concord release, and it's still one of the biggest and boldest Williams has done -- in terms of orchestration and scope. Every track encompasses a true musical journey, and it's alternately exciting and timeless. Not surprisingly, Kate Capshaw's rendition of "Anything Goes" really starts things on a high note -- the song has never been better arranged and enjoyable than here -- and things get bigger than that. "Slave Children's Crusade", "Nocturnal Activities" and "Bug Tunnel/Death Trap" never get old.The album encompasses all the music I wanted from the film, and nitpicks aside, it's a fine album arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 It's a legendary score which for me always lacked a great action suite which the other two did not. That's one of the reasons why I've always placed it third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Action suite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Yeah. Cue, I mean. There's nothing in there comparable to Desert Chase and Belly of the Steel Beast, or Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Mine Car Chase comes close I guess. And so does the Slave Children Crusade.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Mine Cart was always bit too mickey mouse for me and Parade of the Slave children isn't action music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 It has action music in it!So Lee needs his set piece action cues to be able to appreciate a score.Sigh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 The second half of ToD feels like a million action set pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 That's why its brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 It has action music in it!So Lee needs his set piece action cues to be able to appreciate a score.Sigh...Nope, but I do like a good lengthy action cue for compilation purposes, listening in the car etc. Which is why I originally referred to such cues as suites. Titanic has a whole host of amazing action tracks which work great for that. ToD, in my opinion, doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 (Holds the bridge of his nose with his thumb and index finger.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Last Crusade was always the better score anyway as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 They are very different IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Totally. ToD is a great all out bombastic adventure score, but my favourite John Williams scores are the ones rich in pathos and emotional arc. His Last Crusade made me feel the relationships in that movie, which is why I'll always prefer it. I think it's stunning how was able to instil such human qualities into what is otherwise a throwback to simple Saturday morning serials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Titanic has a whole host of amazing action tracks which work great for that. ToD, in my opinion, doesn't.Really? When i got this cd i thought 'what's going on with all this simple stitched-together-ostinati-stuff?' Hardly any arc or structure and the orchestration is really the pits considering Horner's considerable talents in that field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 I don't know, as mindless and crude it might sound with all the anvils and shit, the iceberg crashing cues was one of the most effective Horner tracks ever. The marriage between the film and music is impeccable here.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 What can I say, I just love the entire second half of the ost. Non-stop impending doom music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 The marriage between the film and music is impeccable here.KarolThat's for sure, movie-wise it works. It still was the kiss goodbye to Horner's usually beautiful classically structured long action tracks. But with all those department store elevator tin whistles and pop aesthetic, the action music was the least of TITANIC's problems. That Horner rose to fame with that is cruel proof that the world is indeed an absurd place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Movie-wise is always my angle. Also, Titanic doesnt have any problems. It did quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 The marriage between the film and music is impeccable here.KarolThat's for sure, movie-wise it works. It still was the kiss goodbye to Horner's usually beautiful classically structured long action tracks. But with all those department store elevator tin whistles and pop aesthetic, the action music was the least of TITANIC's problems. That Horner rose to fame with that is cruel proof that the world is indeed an absurd place.Horner didn't always be a ridiculous, fat, self-parody. Check-out his scores for "Brainstorm", "Gorky Park", and "The Name Of The Rose". There is real imagination, there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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