Sandor 798 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Now that I finally got to hear the OST - the score Shore intended for The Hobbit - I feel it was fairly disrespectful to replace much of this masterful and profound production with music pretty much copy and posted from the original LOTR soundtracks.The soundtrack is simply great and I wish it would have been preserved in the film.Then I wonder about The Phantom Menace. We all know how Williams' score was chopped up and butchered for the final act.But what if Lucas had taken a similar route Jackson took and had actually placed familiair music from ESB or ROTJ in TPM instead of Williams' newly written score...?What if Darth Maul's appearance would suddenly be put to The Imperial March, completely ignoring Williams' new material for the scene...? Would that be something like the Nazgul music supporting an important scene involving Thorin in The Hobbit?Well, at least The Hobbit got a proper official release.So which score do you feel got the most disrespect in the editing room...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 The Hobbit by a million squillion miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I'm sorry, but I think the term "disrespect" is not correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I must say while watching i neither noticed it much in THE HOBBIT or TPM (but i don't make a science out of listening to the soundtrack albums either, so).The only movie were it did stand out to me were ATTACK OF THE CLONES and Goldsmith's LEGEND (european and dvd). The latter example is especially wretched - as it is customary for RS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 TPMatleast they gave Shore time to record new music, lifted or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 No new music was recorded. There were no pickup sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 The Lost World was treated with equal disresepct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Because it's the internet, you can't believe facts from reliable sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score_Fan 36 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Spider-Man 3 was also disrespected in this sense too. Young's score was butchered completely in SM3.I don't get the fascination of screwing up someone's hard work. That being said, I didn't really notice it in the Hobbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 So was Elfman's Spiderman 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 798 Posted December 22, 2012 Author Share Posted December 22, 2012 The Hobbit was not treated with disrespect! Doug Adams told us that all the themes taken from LOTR were used for good reasons! Why can't you believe him?!?!?!I'm sure Jackson replaced Shore's King Kong score for "good reasons" as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Wouldn't complain about what we got as a replacement, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Howard's score is one of his best. I wouldn't trade it for what Shore originally had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Considering that sections of JNH's Kong sounds like Shore, I would really prefer to hear what the latter originally intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 No new music was recorded. There were no pickup sessions.So..... the music just... appeared in thin air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Considering that sections of JNH's Kong sounds like Shore, I would really prefer to hear what the latter originally intended.I don't hear Shore in Howard's score, but then again to me Shore is dark and brooding. Everyone associates Lord Of The Rings with him yet it's the music that is most outside of his own style. Wasn't the whole ordeal that he wanted to do a more traditional one akin to Steiner's original? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Considering that sections of JNH's Kong sounds like Shore, I would really prefer to hear what the latter originally intended.I don't hear Shore in Howard's score, but then again to me Shore is dark and brooding. Everyone associates Lord Of The Rings with him yet it's the music that is most outside of his own style. Wasn't the whole ordeal that he wanted to do a more traditional one akin to Steiner's original?LotR us not most out of his style. In fact, people seem to forget that LOTR is very much Shore, it's just a louder and more colorful expression of his sound. A lot of his previous scores shows LOTR's roots.Although Shore used to be most well known for his brooding, that's not necessarily his characteristic style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,356 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I'm more interested in what you will be eating tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 It also has to do with the type of film he tends to score. The Cronenberg kind of psychological horror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 No new music was recorded. There were no pickup sessions.So..... the music just... appeared in thin air?No, it was recorded along with the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 No new music was recorded. There were no pickup sessions.So..... the music just... appeared in thin air?No, it was recorded along with the rest.So basically sort of like what was speculated with War Horse, where there were takes for the album, and takes for the film, except with The Hobbit, its different compositions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Attack of the Clones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 Considering that sections of JNH's Kong sounds like Shore, I would really prefer to hear what the latter originally intended.I don't hear Shore in Howard's score, but then again to me Shore is dark and brooding. Everyone associates Lord Of The Rings with him yet it's the music that is most outside of his own style. Wasn't the whole ordeal that he wanted to do a more traditional one akin to Steiner's original?LotR us not most out of his style. In fact, people seem to forget that LOTR is very much Shore, it's just a louder and more colorful expression of his sound. A lot of his previous scores shows LOTR's roots.Although Shore used to be most well known for his brooding, that's not necessarily his characteristic style.I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 LotR us not most out of his style. In fact, people seem to forget that LOTR is very much Shore, it's just a louder and more colorful expression of his sound. A lot of his previous scores shows LOTR's roots.It's Shore's idea of "epic". I imagine he was chosen because he could do horror. The filmmaking team wanted something specific and they found it. Shore naturally escalated his style into the larger than life LOTR sound we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 No new music was recorded. There were no pickup sessions.So..... the music just... appeared in thin air?No, it was recorded along with the rest.So basically sort of like what was speculated with War Horse, where there were takes for the album, and takes for the film, except with The Hobbit, its different compositions.So then, who knows what was really "intended" . If they has so much music they can;t use all of it, so they probably went with the ones they liked best for the film. Maybe all the film versions should be on the OSTAt least it was mixed SUPER LOUD in the filmIn TPM most cues are barely audible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 LotR us not most out of his style. In fact, people seem to forget that LOTR is very much Shore, it's just a louder and more colorful expression of his sound. A lot of his previous scores shows LOTR's roots.It's Shore's idea of "epic". I imagine he was chosen because he could do horror. The filmmaking team wanted something specific and they found it. Shore naturally escalated his style into the larger than life LOTR sound we know.Precisely. But it's not like the LotR sound came out of the blue. The films Shore had to do never really demanded such a larger than life soundscape. LotR was just Shore's opportunity to translate his stylistic devices to a bigger canvas. Listen to scores like Looking for Richard, Dogma and The Fly and you'll hear the roots of Shore's Middle-Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,382 Posted December 24, 2012 Share Posted December 24, 2012 At least it was mixed SUPER LOUD in the filmI know!I Loved that, which, along with the brisk pace later in the film, reminded me a bit of an Indiana Jones film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K 12 Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 In TPM most cues are barely audibleI guess that's what happens when the sound designer is also the film editor- Ken Wannberg had to raise billy hell to get Ben Burtt to give JW's score any notice over Burtt's sound fx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now