Parker Luciani 10,293 Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 I think you're really stretching here, or you have your tracks/timestamps wrong. I don't here anything similar in those last two tracks to each otherI do (in fact I pointed it out when the soundtrack first came out!), but I don't see the similarity to the Smaug blend.
Parker Luciani 10,293 Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 0:31 of Fire and Water is the same - I agree. But there is no melody playing.I hear F# F C# C A# in both examplesI think we have a timestamp issue - are you listening on Youtube?I listen with VLC player and Audacity and I don't think I had problems with BB and Incanus' timestamps
Parker Luciani 10,293 Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Hmmm Youtube agrees with SUH...
Parker Luciani 10,293 Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Audacity agrees with you on the 2:24 Liar and a Thief timestamp...
Parker Luciani 10,293 Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Nice catch.He just stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as he could, and before he even knew what he had, he classified it, and named it, and slapped it on a forum post, and now...he's selling it.
Jay 46,746 Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Oh yea, Doug did say there was a death theme, didn't he?
Incanus 5,895 Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 What is this dragon-sickness theme you're referring to? Example?Fire and Water 0:53 (four descending notes then the alternating ones)It also shows up:5:15 To the Death2:58 The Ruins of DaleIn the film when Bilbo looks over the Thorin after Smaug dies, the alternating notes playOK, listened to all three. The first one (Fire And Water) is just a variant of Smaug's theme to me.The other two (The Ruins Of Dale and To The Death) are a separate idea and definitely the same melody (though I don't think it's supposed to be a dragon sickness theme. Perhaps a "Thorin's Fate" theme? Maybe it's the death theme Doug was talking about!). Nice catch.I am pretty sure the eerie choral motif for Thorin's change of heart before the charge which appears in snippets in Ravenhill (was also tracked for Fili's death in the film) and then in earnest in To the Death and at the beginning of Courage and Wisdom is what Doug labeled as the "Death theme".
Parker Luciani 10,293 Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 So I have some cool stuff for you guys to hear:First: There was always a bit of Mirkwood music in the Music appendice I could never place, so I decided to revisit it last Tuesday and finally identified it! It was unused music for the company carrying Bombur!https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9MVE1RzlfemhjQlU/view?usp=sharingSecond: The Extended Edition Beorn scene cue 85% clean!https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9Tk9qODBaN09VMGc/view?usp=sharingThird: More clean Girion, Lord of Dale film version:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxQSwI5aPja9WEQtamR5VHhsY3c/view?usp=sharing SafeUnderHill and Incanus 2
Parker Luciani 10,293 Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 Fun fact:I had actually ripped all the bits of the Beorn cue long before, but never assembled them together, because I would have had to use fake stereo tool on each bit, and to do that I would have had to get around the tool's trial limitation (it adds spurts of random noise all over the place), and there were so many bits (8 files, but some files were comprised of 3-4 different bits!).But now that I have the new center channel remover that preserves the stereo field, I was able to take the time to assemble all the bits into what I just posted!
Barnald 440 Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 I wish I knew what all that meant. Nevertheless, your efforts are very much appreciated.
Jay 46,746 Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 Yup, Bree in DOS and Mithril in BOFA both sound really awesome! SafeUnderHill 1
Parker Luciani 10,293 Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 I was going to say you are crazy.. but it does sound kind of similar! (fireworks and DOS opening)the dragon partyhehe.
Incanus 5,895 Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 Yup, Bree in DOS and Mithril in BOFA both sound really awesome!It's Hobbit Skip-Beat in DoS! Reference to FotR's Bree scene sure but not music for Bree as such.
Incanus 5,895 Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 Yes that reasoning is sound too.To my mind it makes a reference to a specific moment for nostalgic connection rather than becoming a location theme for Bree. It is still only the Hobbit Skip-Beat after all with no reference to Thorin or the village of Bree specifically but the moment of the four hobbits arriving there in FotR and hurrying in for shelter.
Incanus 5,895 Posted November 13, 2015 Posted November 13, 2015 It's Bill Ferny's theme.That sneaky devil! An apple right in the nose is what he deserves!
Parker Luciani 10,293 Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Found part of the Laketown fanfare source music in the BOTFA Appendices.some more of Girion, Lord of Dale.
Jim Ware 638 Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 The timing in the top left (3:11:54:14) indicates where the composition (mr172) starts.  This composition begins with Feast of Starlight and runs through to the end of The Forest River.  Shore is probably referring to the Woodland Realm sequence as a whole when he refers to it as the first piece written for Smaug.  A significant portion of it (not including the forest river chase) was scored for the two film cut back in 2012 and it was the first sequence revisited for Smaug. SafeUnderHill 1
Incanus 5,895 Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 Even if the conforming of the score to the picture is one of the most everyday occurences in the job, film composers really need nerves of steel, a humble ego and zen-like calm to keep up with the requirements of the craft, more so these days than ever.
Incanus 5,895 Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 On 23.7.2016 at 6:29 PM, SafeUnderHill said: I watched the entire second half of this film again. I thought it was interesting that the opening of Beyond the Forest seems to be microedited out of the album (or edited into the credits), and they randomly microedited out part out of the track in the credits (3:02).  The score actually had a great mix when listening through my headphones! Do you mean that second or two of those strings before the soloist part begins in Beyond the Forest that is present in the credits? I'd say we are not missing much. Â
Jay 46,746 Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 6 hours ago, SafeUnderHill said: Is it removed from the album or added for the film?  I believe that's a Pope-ism added to the film, and the album represents Shore's full composition  Quote Would would be great is the film version intro to the AUJ song.  Yes!  I really like that piece a lot!
Barnald 440 Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 Yeah I very much hope the film version of the AUJ credits song is released some day, complete with the lovely lead-in bit (I reckon I'm probably the only one who wants another version of Song of the Lonely Mountain). Bilbo 1
Jay 46,746 Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 The film version of the song is a million times better than the album version
Parker Luciani 10,293 Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 I say  was edited out. There is precedent
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