Faleel 5,357 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 (Though that's a perfect example of a moment where I find the mix to be just too fucking wet).Really? its not THAT wet.This, is too wet:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnsf4QyioX8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Peace 3 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 People say Sheeran's song clashes with Shore's score, which is true. But in the film's context, I think that digression is justifiable. The song underscores a moment of great change in the narrative ("what have we done?"). SOTLM cheers the company on when they consider themselves righteous. "I See Fire" sees that righteousness tattered . It's a musical left turn representing a dramatic one.One can rationalise everything.In my book, it's just an awful dramatic choice.One can separate one's distaste for the song without deeming it inappropriate. Besides, the song's not such a wild left turn in the cycle of these themes. If it's an awful dramatic choice, so is "Into The West". It's the exact same type of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,357 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Except Shore worked on Into The West Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Peace 3 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I'm not sure why that matters. It's still the exact same kind of song. I'm not saying anyone has to like it, but the track is far from unprecedented. It's not Heavy Metal or anything. We've got Christopher Lee for that next time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I'm not sure why that matters. It's still the exact same kind of song.Well, there's a folky finger-picked guitar. That and PJ's Tolkein is all about all they've got in common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,357 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 The song does have very vivid imagery (in the lyrics), thats about all the good I can say about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 21, 2013 Author Share Posted December 21, 2013 Except Shore worked on Into The WestAnd that it had Shore's recognisable and tender orchestration, the Hobbity instrumentation, a main theme from the film as the refrain, lyrics that aren't emo, and not to mention a wonderful intro before it. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Just watched the production diary, and it was awesome. Cool to see so much footage of the recording sessions not to mention Howard Shore talking about the score. I do wish it features more of Doug and Howard at his house. That was really cool stuff. BTW, you can learn some cue numbers from the video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 The lyrics reflect the movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 If the lyrics are a proper interpretation, then it's always fitting.How many times have you listened to it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I would advise you to do that with any song or score, if you plan to critique it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Ed Sheeran is 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 No, but he is not a teenage boy! SafeUnderHill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 What? He's 6 years older than me?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I have to say away from the film, the Sheeran song isn't that bad. I can actually listen to it and not hate it when I listen on it's own (I've definitely heard it over 30 times now). The problem is when I hear it after the film or after the score. It just sounds so out of place and wrong. On it's own as a pop song, it's decent and better than most of Sheeran's other stuff. As the ending to a Middle-Earth film it's terrible. I'd have left straight away every time if it wasn't for the fact that the far greater Beyond the Forest plays after it. Anyway, the production blog was great. I hope we get to see more of this kind of thing. I don't even mind waiting until the TABA EE as long as it's of significant length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 What? He's 6 years older than me?!You're 16?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 He can't be 16!!He's a liar! And a thief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Care to confirm it? So we can decide whether or not to set up the pyre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I'm setting up the pyre anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Confirm I am not 16? No, I am not. I didn't realize y'all would take it seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 I don't understand. When do we burn him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 No fire can frighten me after being locked in a car with four women for 22 hours. But - they noticed the connection between the AUJ "bookend" theme and the House of Durin theme on first listen, without any didactic input from me, so I can't complain about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Interview with Conrad Pope (I think it starts 24 minutes in) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 He looks like a cross between Ian Holm and Hannibal Lector! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 With a slight touch of James Gandolfini (not Gandalfini, stupid Tolkien nerds!)Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,357 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Yes, it is!No its noooot!So the first disc is in Chronological order? (minus unreleased cues?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 No. Only through The Forest River is chronological. Everything from Bard, A Man of Lake-town through Smaug is out of order. Hopefully today or tomorrow I can post a definitive list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,357 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Hopefully today or tomorrow I can post a definitive list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I already can post a near exact list if you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,357 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I already can post a near exact list if you wantI'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Okay here goes, it will be interesting to compare with what Jason finds laterThe first ten tracks are in chronological order, so no need to list them(Though I will add that I heard new material in Mirkwood, Flies and Spiders, The Woodland Realm, Barrels in Bond and of course the Forest River)Then it went something likeThe High FellsBard, a Man of Lake Town (but just a small part of it I think, I dont know if the rest was all dialed out, or placed elsewhere)The Nature of EvilProtector of the Common Folk (with some new material as Bard talks to the people as they dump fish into the barrels)Thrice WelcomeGirion Lord of Dale (Dont know for sure, but I did hear Bards theme here where the OST didnt have it, so in the middle some of 'Man of Laketown' it might be placed)Durins Folk (as I mentioned elsewhere, this track is out of order. The first 2 minutes come last, the last minute comes first)In the Shadow of the Mountain (with some new material as they take Kili to Bard)A spell of Concealment (right up until 1:25, though the middle is wholly replaced with new material, including that nice Gandalf theme)On the DoorstepHunters (the first 20 seconds)The Courage of Hobbits (up until 0:45)The rest of A Spell of ConcealmentThe rest of The Courage of HobbitsInside Information (Smaugs reveal has a new rendition of Smaugs B Theme)Smaug (from 2:30 to 5:20)Hunters (from 0:20 to around 3:00)A Liar and a ThiefSmaug (the very last bit)Hunters (from around 3:20 up until 5:45, right before the Dwarven theme kicks in)Kings Foil (the first half about, with some more elvish unreleased material in it)Smaug (The first part, might go all the way to 2:30)The rest of Kings FoilThe rest of Hunters My Armor is Iron (with a lot of different unreleased Smaug music before it starts)and the end credits are about the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I guess most of the unreleased music from DoS consist of short segments cut out of longer cues rather then long sustained individuel cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 There are definitely cues wholly unreleased, but yea they are all short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 yeah nothing unreleased ran really long, and some sounded like minor alterations or repeatsbetter that than tracking it from LOTR scores eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 The forest river sequence had some alternate versions of music on the album track, as well as a quite a few unreleased portions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,357 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 BTW fun fact, the unreleased bit (Leggy Moment #3 I guess?) from The Forest River is the first piece music we heard from the Production Diary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 yeah thats a fine example of how new material is just inserted into the music from the soundtrack for the movieNot sure if that makes it a part of the recording sessions or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,357 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Any ideas for titles on the split cues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 If I remember correctly, there's a lot of cool unreleased bits from The Forest River.It'd be great to have the entire action cue released in complete form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Action cues. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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